New 2023 C63S Just Ordered!
#52
Exactly, or like I said just a promise to order when they can. It doesn't make sense to be able to officially order a car that hasn't been announced yet. I will ask my MB (US) contact tomorrow.
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Read up through the string Gentlemen. I am not the only one who has placed the orders or been contacted by AMG about doing so.
By all means, call your local AMG dealer at 8:00 am tomorrow morning or email Jay Chamberlain, my AMG specialist at Mercedes Burlington, Ontario...jay.chamberlain@mbburlington.ca
Why not reach out? Maybe he can ship you a car to the US. I've brought dozens of cars in the other direction!
By all means, call your local AMG dealer at 8:00 am tomorrow morning or email Jay Chamberlain, my AMG specialist at Mercedes Burlington, Ontario...jay.chamberlain@mbburlington.ca
Why not reach out? Maybe he can ship you a car to the US. I've brought dozens of cars in the other direction!
#54
Read up through the string Gentlemen. I am not the only one who has placed the orders or been contacted by AMG about doing so.
By all means, call your local AMG dealer at 8:00 am tomorrow morning or email Jay Chamberlain, my AMG specialist at Mercedes Burlington, Ontario...jay.chamberlain@mbburlington.ca
Why not reach out? Maybe he can ship you a car to the US. I've brought dozens of cars in the other direction!
By all means, call your local AMG dealer at 8:00 am tomorrow morning or email Jay Chamberlain, my AMG specialist at Mercedes Burlington, Ontario...jay.chamberlain@mbburlington.ca
Why not reach out? Maybe he can ship you a car to the US. I've brought dozens of cars in the other direction!
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I did the same thing when Infiniti upgraded from the G35 to the G37 coupe.
I read a Car and Driver or Motor Trend report a few months before the scheduled launch date, liked what I read, went to my Infiniti dealer, met the sales manager and placed my order. I was number 3 in Canada at the time.
I wanted in at the top of the cue. Same process...No spec sheet, option configs, colour choices, wheel options and generally limited to no detail, all the way around...I had a G35 coupe at the time and the G37 was not a ground up build so I obviously knew much more than I do about the 2023 C63S, but if you don't think they will take orders NOW you are mistaken.
They don't want me walking across the road and buying the 2023 M3 sedan.
It is more logical than you may think at first glance!
I read a Car and Driver or Motor Trend report a few months before the scheduled launch date, liked what I read, went to my Infiniti dealer, met the sales manager and placed my order. I was number 3 in Canada at the time.
I wanted in at the top of the cue. Same process...No spec sheet, option configs, colour choices, wheel options and generally limited to no detail, all the way around...I had a G35 coupe at the time and the G37 was not a ground up build so I obviously knew much more than I do about the 2023 C63S, but if you don't think they will take orders NOW you are mistaken.
They don't want me walking across the road and buying the 2023 M3 sedan.
It is more logical than you may think at first glance!
#56
I did the same thing when Infiniti upgraded from the G35 to the G37 coupe.
I read a Car and Driver or Motor Trend report a few months before the scheduled launch date, liked what I read, went to my Infiniti dealer, met the sales manager and placed my order. I was number 3 in Canada at the time.
I wanted in at the top of the cue. Same process...No spec sheet, option configs, colour choices, wheel options and generally limited to no detail, all the way around...I had a G35 coupe at the time and the G37 was not a ground up build so I obviously knew much more than I do about the 2023 C63S, but if you don't think they will take orders NOW you are mistaken.
They don't want me walking across the road and buying the 2023 M3 sedan.
It is more logical than you may think at first glance!
I read a Car and Driver or Motor Trend report a few months before the scheduled launch date, liked what I read, went to my Infiniti dealer, met the sales manager and placed my order. I was number 3 in Canada at the time.
I wanted in at the top of the cue. Same process...No spec sheet, option configs, colour choices, wheel options and generally limited to no detail, all the way around...I had a G35 coupe at the time and the G37 was not a ground up build so I obviously knew much more than I do about the 2023 C63S, but if you don't think they will take orders NOW you are mistaken.
They don't want me walking across the road and buying the 2023 M3 sedan.
It is more logical than you may think at first glance!
To place an "order" for an AMG in the case myself and many of other members here are stating, means to actually enter your exact specs you choose based on the DOG (dealer order guide). We are not doubting that you have one reserved. We can agree that you have a "reservation", not a confirmed order in the Mercedes Netstar system that generates an official order (PO) number. Good luck.
#57
XEC,
Do you actually think Mercedes’ was test driving the C63 with the performance exhaust ON at the Nurburgring trials???
Dude, that was the comfort mode exhaust you heard.
I can’t believe people think they have laid all their cards on the table for their camouflaged trial runs.
Seriously man, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
Will it emulate the c63 V8? Absolutely not, but I guarantee it will sound like hell’s gates opened up when you hit your AMG button!
Guaranteed…
Do you actually think Mercedes’ was test driving the C63 with the performance exhaust ON at the Nurburgring trials???
Dude, that was the comfort mode exhaust you heard.
I can’t believe people think they have laid all their cards on the table for their camouflaged trial runs.
Seriously man, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
Will it emulate the c63 V8? Absolutely not, but I guarantee it will sound like hell’s gates opened up when you hit your AMG button!
Guaranteed…
I get that you've gotten a promise from your dealer that you'll be the first in line for one of these. That's great and I'm glad you're excited for this car, but the broad criticisms for this upcoming platform are very valid. If I were you, I'd not jump to defending a car that you've not even bought yet and wait to see if this is really a good purchase or not. Cammisa mentioned this in his Model S Plaid/M5 CS/CT6-V video - at some point these ultra refined, silent, torque monster turbo motors will be so lacking in character that you might as well just get an EV. IMHO, an inline-4 + hybrid is the worst of both worlds. You don't get any of the emotion of a proper V8 and you don't get the numbers that an EV will put out.
Case in point: AMG Project One being widely panned as a huge disappointment.
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Chris,
Yes you are correct. It is essentially a promisary note as they have no means of allocation at this time, given the fact the vehicle has not launched.
Having said that, they are inputting orders and have an active cue with Mercedes Benz Canada, and North American wide for that matter.
The only way it goes sideways is if they choose not to release the vehicle at all.
I am also a BMW M guy but to a far lesser extent. They happen to know that. I am an M coupe guy historically, but I'd be more than happy to acquire their sedan if offered.
You think they are going to risk 200K in pre orders by not taking my down payments and placing me in their cue?
They ain't letting me walk across the road!
No they didn't.
As a side note there is ZERO negotiating room on the vehicle. They will however have some flex on option packages, I am hoping more so considering I have ordered a second C63S for my brother.
Pete
Yes you are correct. It is essentially a promisary note as they have no means of allocation at this time, given the fact the vehicle has not launched.
Having said that, they are inputting orders and have an active cue with Mercedes Benz Canada, and North American wide for that matter.
The only way it goes sideways is if they choose not to release the vehicle at all.
I am also a BMW M guy but to a far lesser extent. They happen to know that. I am an M coupe guy historically, but I'd be more than happy to acquire their sedan if offered.
You think they are going to risk 200K in pre orders by not taking my down payments and placing me in their cue?
They ain't letting me walk across the road!
No they didn't.
As a side note there is ZERO negotiating room on the vehicle. They will however have some flex on option packages, I am hoping more so considering I have ordered a second C63S for my brother.
Pete
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Xec,
I am not saying that the 2023 sound will emulate the previous V8. It won't!
What I am saying, as I have been told by an AMG specialist that I very much trust, is that AMG engineers have the new vehicles sound very, very high at the top echelon of their engineering and design priority list.
It won't sound like an Impreza, and again, from the horses mouth... the Nurburg trials were with an engineered muted exhaust. They are trials, they are not the formal dog and pony show of visuals and sound that will come with the 2023 C63 launch.
Pete
I am not saying that the 2023 sound will emulate the previous V8. It won't!
What I am saying, as I have been told by an AMG specialist that I very much trust, is that AMG engineers have the new vehicles sound very, very high at the top echelon of their engineering and design priority list.
It won't sound like an Impreza, and again, from the horses mouth... the Nurburg trials were with an engineered muted exhaust. They are trials, they are not the formal dog and pony show of visuals and sound that will come with the 2023 C63 launch.
Pete
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If any of you guys want to call me my cell number is 1 905 802 4551.
As long as you are not a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesmen from Pakistan I'll take the call.
Pete
As long as you are not a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesmen from Pakistan I'll take the call.
Pete
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Chris,
Further to my statements above, I find it odd that some are actually pissed off about my position regarding C63S order taking at the dealer level and suggesting I am either clueless or lying...
Although I am not an active current member of the various local Mercedes or AMG clubs, I have been a long time Porsche club member, BMW member, mustang member, Barracud/challenger, muscle car clubs, car show attendee and volunteer, even a Volkswagon member at one time with my 68 beetle ragtop with a rammed in Porsche 356 engine. I also coach youth football and hockey. I know a hell of a lot of people in an 10 million person geography of the greater Toronto area.
I have purchased SUV's for my wife from Mercedes long before I bought my C43. These guys at the dealership know my history and they want my wife to upgrade to another Benz SUV when she decides to replace her Stelvio.
They are not going to F**k me around with some fake order bull****, to keep me from buying an M3.
I know hundreds of car enthusiasts who know thousands of car enthusiasts collectively.
What would be the point of screwing me over?
Further to my statements above, I find it odd that some are actually pissed off about my position regarding C63S order taking at the dealer level and suggesting I am either clueless or lying...
Although I am not an active current member of the various local Mercedes or AMG clubs, I have been a long time Porsche club member, BMW member, mustang member, Barracud/challenger, muscle car clubs, car show attendee and volunteer, even a Volkswagon member at one time with my 68 beetle ragtop with a rammed in Porsche 356 engine. I also coach youth football and hockey. I know a hell of a lot of people in an 10 million person geography of the greater Toronto area.
I have purchased SUV's for my wife from Mercedes long before I bought my C43. These guys at the dealership know my history and they want my wife to upgrade to another Benz SUV when she decides to replace her Stelvio.
They are not going to F**k me around with some fake order bull****, to keep me from buying an M3.
I know hundreds of car enthusiasts who know thousands of car enthusiasts collectively.
What would be the point of screwing me over?
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Chris,
Further to my statements above, I find it odd that some are actually pissed off about my position regarding C63S order taking at the dealer level and suggesting I am either clueless or lying...
Although I am not an active current member of the various local Mercedes or AMG clubs, I have been a long time Porsche club member, BMW member, mustang member, Barracud/challenger, muscle car clubs, car show attendee and volunteer, even a Volkswagon member at one time with my 68 beetle ragtop with a rammed in Porsche 356 engine. I also coach youth football and hockey. I know a hell of a lot of people in an 10 million person geography of the greater Toronto area.
I have purchased SUV's for my wife from Mercedes long before I bought my C43. These guys at the dealership know my history and they want my wife to upgrade to another Benz SUV when she decides to replace her Stelvio.
They are not going to F**k me around with some fake order bull****, to keep me from buying an M3.
I know hundreds of car enthusiasts who know thousands of car enthusiasts collectively.
What would be the point of screwing me over?
Further to my statements above, I find it odd that some are actually pissed off about my position regarding C63S order taking at the dealer level and suggesting I am either clueless or lying...
Although I am not an active current member of the various local Mercedes or AMG clubs, I have been a long time Porsche club member, BMW member, mustang member, Barracud/challenger, muscle car clubs, car show attendee and volunteer, even a Volkswagon member at one time with my 68 beetle ragtop with a rammed in Porsche 356 engine. I also coach youth football and hockey. I know a hell of a lot of people in an 10 million person geography of the greater Toronto area.
I have purchased SUV's for my wife from Mercedes long before I bought my C43. These guys at the dealership know my history and they want my wife to upgrade to another Benz SUV when she decides to replace her Stelvio.
They are not going to F**k me around with some fake order bull****, to keep me from buying an M3.
I know hundreds of car enthusiasts who know thousands of car enthusiasts collectively.
What would be the point of screwing me over?
Good luck Pete, hope everything goes smoothly.
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The techs at the dealership don’t make decisions that don’t involve a hand tool. Those decisions are made by High Performance Engineering teams that work within the context of a global corporate strategy for the AMG brand.
A lot of fighter pilots were pissed off that the F35 was replacing the F16. They said it was too complex to fly and maintain and wouldn’t have the agility And maneuverability of the F16. Many thought it would actually be a slower plane and would be outclassed by Russian and Chinese fighters.
Fortunately fighter pilots, like mechanics, don’t make engineering decisions.
A lot of fighter pilots were pissed off that the F35 was replacing the F16. They said it was too complex to fly and maintain and wouldn’t have the agility And maneuverability of the F16. Many thought it would actually be a slower plane and would be outclassed by Russian and Chinese fighters.
Fortunately fighter pilots, like mechanics, don’t make engineering decisions.
#66
Yes I connected with my dealer today and they are willing to take reservations for the w206 c63 and/or w206 c43. But they said they have absolutely no information on it. No order guide, no announcement, nothing official. But they will take a reservation/commitment to order.
-Chris
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We got duped into one back in 1989.
Good on you for keeping the discussion going and standing your ground. Lots of info and comprehensive posts from you which is a shock on these forums.
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Chris/Jimmy,
It was not my intent to cause any disruption to your boards.
Frankly, I have always checked in here, and on the C43 board and really enjoyed the back and forth Bull****.
It was as funny as it was informative… not sure if that was by design but it was pretty humorous at times.
Anyhow, I appreciate that someone confirmed that the order window is open and I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone.
Pete
It was not my intent to cause any disruption to your boards.
Frankly, I have always checked in here, and on the C43 board and really enjoyed the back and forth Bull****.
It was as funny as it was informative… not sure if that was by design but it was pretty humorous at times.
Anyhow, I appreciate that someone confirmed that the order window is open and I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone.
Pete
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Chris/Jimmy,
It was not my intent to cause any disruption to your boards.
Frankly, I have always checked in here, and on the C43 board and really enjoyed the back and forth Bull****.
It was as funny as it was informative… not sure if that was by design but it was pretty humorous at times.
Anyhow, I appreciate that someone confirmed that the order window is open and I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone.
Pete
It was not my intent to cause any disruption to your boards.
Frankly, I have always checked in here, and on the C43 board and really enjoyed the back and forth Bull****.
It was as funny as it was informative… not sure if that was by design but it was pretty humorous at times.
Anyhow, I appreciate that someone confirmed that the order window is open and I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone.
Pete
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Pete,
No worries man, we all appreciate each other as fellow Amg/Mercedes enthusiasts. No problems on my side, just was clarifying.
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Yeah I talked to my guy today. He doesn’t know anymore than what I and others have said here. Literally no clue and he’s the top guy in my country.
He doesn’t really even know when he might know more. Given its importance to the brand as a whole and the magnitude of the model change, it’s a pretty Fcked up launch to be honest.
I was just trying to get an idea of preferred AMG colour combos.
My C43 was off the lot and that Mojave Silver probably wouldn’t have been a top three choice if it was my build.
I love the Obsidian Black on red Sport seats myself.
actually I’m not selling either car so I really don’t give a **** what the preferred combos are now that I think about it…
He doesn’t really even know when he might know more. Given its importance to the brand as a whole and the magnitude of the model change, it’s a pretty Fcked up launch to be honest.
I was just trying to get an idea of preferred AMG colour combos.
My C43 was off the lot and that Mojave Silver probably wouldn’t have been a top three choice if it was my build.
I love the Obsidian Black on red Sport seats myself.
actually I’m not selling either car so I really don’t give a **** what the preferred combos are now that I think about it…
#72
I must be the odd one out that requires a total cost of ANYTHING before I buy it to make the decision. Would be nice to have money i don't care about to put money down on a car that's not even released yet and not know the price. until stuff like this stops happening, we will all be paying up the *** for cars. dealers will take advantage of this all day until they cant. stop fueling the fire. unless you really have unlimited money why do this? Why keep incentivizing 5 year old c63s to be worth 80k because new cars are going over MSRP sold before they even are a real item. supply and demand, yes I know. maybe im the odd man out for waiting for this madness to be over.
#73
I must be the odd one out that requires a total cost of ANYTHING before I buy it to make the decision. Would be nice to have money i don't care about to put money down on a car that's not even released yet and not know the price. until stuff like this stops happening, we will all be paying up the *** for cars. dealers will take advantage of this all day until they cant. stop fueling the fire. unless you really have unlimited money why do this? Why keep incentivizing 5 year old c63s to be worth 80k because new cars are going over MSRP sold before they even are a real item. supply and demand, yes I know. maybe im the odd man out for waiting for this madness to be over.
The only confusing thing here is plonking money down on an all-new C63S (which in a normal market isn't a particularly hard to get car at all) with potentially questionable powertrain. I'm in no position to judge though. My dealer in Houston took my money in Summer 2018 for the 2019 facelift when it wasn't even officially able to be ordered yet. Was it smart on my part? Wasn't too bad IMO. It's refundable and they promised me their first allocation at 6% off MSRP and I got to order the car to my liking. Arrived six months later in Jan 2019.
#74
What OP is doing isn't out of the ordinary for a lot of other highly sought after cars. Porsche instantly comes to mind for example. People have placed deposits down on a potential GT4RS long before the car was ever even announced and only a possibility/rumor.
The only confusing thing here is plonking money down on an all-new C63S (which in a normal market isn't a particularly hard to get car at all) with potentially questionable powertrain. I'm in no position to judge though. My dealer in Houston took my money in Summer 2018 for the 2019 facelift when it wasn't even officially able to be ordered yet. Was it smart on my part? Wasn't too bad IMO. It's refundable and they promised me their first allocation at 6% off MSRP and I got to order the car to my liking. Arrived six months later in Jan 2019.
The only confusing thing here is plonking money down on an all-new C63S (which in a normal market isn't a particularly hard to get car at all) with potentially questionable powertrain. I'm in no position to judge though. My dealer in Houston took my money in Summer 2018 for the 2019 facelift when it wasn't even officially able to be ordered yet. Was it smart on my part? Wasn't too bad IMO. It's refundable and they promised me their first allocation at 6% off MSRP and I got to order the car to my liking. Arrived six months later in Jan 2019.
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If you don't commit pre launch you will not receive a car in the next 18 months to 2 years. Maybe longer.
Just look at MB's EV models. Not sure what the wait is in the US, but it is 2 years in Canada!
Its a simple as that dude, the Global supply chain mess has forced this issue upon us. In that context, it's not as outrageous a decision as you might think.
Besides, unless my long time AMG rep is lying, the premium same spec model is expected to be roughly 3-5% over the 2022 model...at least where I live.
Pete
Just look at MB's EV models. Not sure what the wait is in the US, but it is 2 years in Canada!
Its a simple as that dude, the Global supply chain mess has forced this issue upon us. In that context, it's not as outrageous a decision as you might think.
Besides, unless my long time AMG rep is lying, the premium same spec model is expected to be roughly 3-5% over the 2022 model...at least where I live.
Pete