The definitive PFL vs 2023 C63 side by side exhaust sound test coming...
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I would venture to say that "yes" there is piped in sound. I noticed that it seems louder with the windows up versus the windows down which is the same in my 2022 GLE 63 as well. To me that says there is some piped in sound and that's why it sounds better with the windows up instead of down.
Would be interesting having a friend recording a flyby of the two cars. Please make it happen OP : )
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Yes, I do have the ASR evm. However, it accounts for the exhaust to be somewhat louder but isn’t supposed to add pops and bangs. If it did, then anyone with an FL who wanted more theatrics could just buy a $500 EVM instead of getting downpipes and a tune, which is the only proven solution to getting more pops and bangs on a FL. I also had the same evm on my ‘21 and it didn’t pop and bang as much or sound as loud as my ‘23.
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Nevermind answering my own question: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...ml#post8763461
I wonder how much pipe in sound, is it the full deal or just the bass heavy part of the exhaust note. I guess it doesn't matter, car still sounds amazing I am most likely sure. I am also wondering if the reason why it sounds louder when windows are closed, has to do with our ears overwhelmed by tire noise, wind noise, etc.
Would be interesting having a friend recording a flyby of the two cars. Please make it happen OP : )
Would be interesting having a friend recording a flyby of the two cars. Please make it happen OP : )
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This weekend I had the opportunity to check a couple of things:
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
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This weekend I had the opportunity to check a couple of things:
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
He also makes the point that my evm could be why my non-FE has pops and bangs vs no pops and bangs for OP’s. I’m really curious to test this theory because it would still mean the ‘23 non-FE’s are tuned different from other FL’s since the evm did nothing in terms of adding pops and bangs in my ‘21. I’ll also test the piped in sound theory, hopefully we can finally get to the bottom of all this soon!
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This weekend I had the opportunity to check a couple of things:
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
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Also, just came back from another 50 mile drive and I now have 432 miles on the clock. No pops or bangs - zero. I tried everything and I mean everything (combo wise) except stuffing a couple of potatoes in the exhaust. I might take you up on your trade offer now if yours sounds better - lol.
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The EVM just makes it louder at start up and low rpms yes... At full rpms there's hardly much difference to the sound that you'd be able to tell from just having the exhaust switch turned on. It won't change pop and crackles other than what your car was programed to do... That's not a function of the exhaust valves.
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^^ Correct, @mars c63s summed it up nicely. You’ll hear the most noticeable difference at startup (especially cold starts), at low rpm’s, and at idle. But it does little if anything to increase the pops and bangs, at least not in my ‘21. I’ll soon know if it’s the same case with my ‘23 since I haven’t really driven it with the ASR module turned off.
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The EVM just makes it louder at start up and low rpms yes... At full rpms there's hardly much difference to the sound that you'd be able to tell from just having the exhaust switch turned on. It won't change pop and crackles other than what your car was programed to do... That's not a function of the exhaust valves.
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Yeah I’ve mentioned the ASR a few times and also on the workaround to source one for way cheaper than its private label Renntech version. IMO, an evm is a must-have mod for these cars.
Lots of points to ponder over when it comes to the sound of these final V8 C63S coupes. When I get my car back from ppf late next week, I’ll run some more tests. I’ll play around with different drive modes with and without the evm activated. I’ll also run some inside / outside tests both with the windows up and down using a decibel meter. I’ll follow up here with my findings.
Lots of points to ponder over when it comes to the sound of these final V8 C63S coupes. When I get my car back from ppf late next week, I’ll run some more tests. I’ll play around with different drive modes with and without the evm activated. I’ll also run some inside / outside tests both with the windows up and down using a decibel meter. I’ll follow up here with my findings.
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This weekend I had the opportunity to check a couple of things:
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
-Drove a 23 non FE from the dealer, and to be honest sound its not even close to my FE
-At the same time yes FE sounds louder than non FE but different from the PFL, and definitely PFL still sounds louder.
All that checked with european versions
I am more inclined to what superswiss is saying
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Good info. @superswiss was saying it was hard to imagine ‘23’s would be louder than previous FL’s given the increased noise regulations (which are only in Europe from my understanding). I assume he meant non-FE ‘23’s since we now have confirmation that ‘23 FE’s are indeed tuned to be louder than non-FE’s.
He also makes the point that my evm could be why my non-FE has pops and bangs vs no pops and bangs for OP’s. I’m really curious to test this theory because it would still mean the ‘23 non-FE’s are tuned different from other FL’s since the evm did nothing in terms of adding pops and bangs in my ‘21. I’ll also test the piped in sound theory, hopefully we can finally get to the bottom of all this soon!
He also makes the point that my evm could be why my non-FE has pops and bangs vs no pops and bangs for OP’s. I’m really curious to test this theory because it would still mean the ‘23 non-FE’s are tuned different from other FL’s since the evm did nothing in terms of adding pops and bangs in my ‘21. I’ll also test the piped in sound theory, hopefully we can finally get to the bottom of all this soon!
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Simply curious OP I think I missed it and that you mentioned already but what made you upgrade from the pfl to facelift? Were you just interested in a new car or was there another reason?
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Got rid of my PFL a couple of years ago and sold it to a buddy of mine who was in love with it. Remember, I had two PFLs a 2015 and 2018. I seem to have a penchant for selling a car and then buying the same model back again later. Did the same with the SL 63 as I had three of those over the years. Love the C63 and wanted the final iteration with all of the upgrades and improvements. Also never had a coupe before and wanted one.
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Got rid of my PFL a couple of years ago and sold it to a buddy of mine who was in love with it. Remember, I had two PFLs a 2015 and 2018. I seem to have a penchant for selling a car and then buying the same model back again later. Did the same with the SL 63 as I had three of those over the years. Love the C63 and wanted the final iteration with all of the upgrades and improvements. Also never had a coupe before and wanted one.
