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Just pointing out again, your FLs have the OPF, so very possible that they changed something in the FE for the OPF. We have yet to hear a US spec comparison w/o OPF.
Just pointing out again, your FLs have the OPF, so very possible that they changed something in the FE for the OPF. We have yet to hear a US spec comparison w/o OPF.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by ChargedMB
Haven't gotten around to ppf wrapping the car yet, but I definitely am getting it stealth ppf'd in a month. I believe clear ppf will make the matte paint look gloss. There was a similar post here about someone with a magno selenite grey who clear wrapped and it became gloss and vise versa. Also on the GTR side, someone clear wrapped a Green Hell Magno paint job and it became a pretty awesome gloss. That color started to show more gold elements in the paint. So I guess you can't go wrong with either - but I like the stock stealth look of the C63S. Paint continues to surprise me with how it reflects light.
That paint looks amazing. I’m glad you pointed out that clear PPF changes it to gloss. I certainly do not want to change the factory matte look so I’ll be opting for the stealth PPF as well. I’m going back research this some more just to be certain that stealth PPF is the way to go over clear.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by AddMoreGas
I just took delivery of my 2023 C63S, was able to secure one of those build slots in October of 2022. I had a contact at MB of Gilbert in AZ and I was very grateful to get one spec'd exactly as I'd like.
l don’t remember if I already asked you this, but how is the sound relative to older FL’s? And if you’ve heard the PFL or have watched a YouTube sound video of a PFL, how does it compare? From what I heard the Euro and Aussie spec’d FE’s get the PFL sound but the non-FE’s retain the FL sound. I’ve yet to hear a US 2023 non-FE owner comment on the sound comparison of their car to a PFL or a 2019-21 FL.
You stole my black ash trim, LoL! I had wanted that on my build and it wasn't available so I went with carbon, which is fine,
but I kind of liked the ash for the same reasons you stated. Congrats!!
Thanks! It's been a long time dreaming about having an AMG of my own.
I wonder why you couldn't get the black ash trim, the CF is nice for sure.
Gorgeous spec’d beast you have there! Mine will be identical except with all 3 carbon options and HUD. Is there a reason why you passed on the HUD? I’ve had one in all of my BMW’s and ‘21 C63S, so it’s now a must have option for me.
Yeah I’m hoping someone with access to the build database can chime in if any info on non-FE production numbers are available. I’m curious to know what both the US and worldwide numbers are, as we already know the global FE number is 499.
Thanks for the feedback! I would love to know the info from the build database with numbers on FE & non-FE production numbers also if anyone can pull up that info.
I honestly passed on the HUD for a few of the reasons mentioned by Superswiss like mainly driving while wearing polarized sunglasses. I also have driven other AMGs at night with the HUD and it was distracting for me and my eyes especially in the dark and having a bright spot in my field of vision between the dash and the road. It's more personal taste for me and as cool as it is and does add a bit of flair, I opted out. Which also goes back to the interior choices I made for my own personal choices.
Nice spec, but I have to say, wood in this kind of car seems out of place. I've had loaners with the black ash and not my cup of tea, but to each their own. I do understand that CF has been a bit overdone in recent years, but it's still the material one expects in a sport/performance car, hence why I opted for all the carbon packages.
As for the HUD, the biggest issue is that they don't work with polarized sunglasses. I find in the FL it doesn't add much if anything with the digital instrument cluster. It's easy to see the shift lights in the cluster and with the Supersport layout all the important things are front and center with easy to read fonts and colors. The only thing the HUD offers that is not found in the instrument cluster is showing the braking zones when using Track Pace, but again, since I wear polarized sunglasses it's a bit useless. In all the cars so far I've driven that have a HUD I ended up turning it off. During the day the polarized sunglasses made it useless and at night it actually bothered me having stuff glowing in my line of sight. I really don't need to constantly see my speed looking out the windshield. I rarely even look at the speedometer, because I judge my speed by the seat of my pants and in relation to other traffic.
I felt the same about the HUD which is why i didnt get it. I realize it could be turned off but I didn't want to purchase something I know I'd just be not using.
While many people do like CF I don't feel it's too out of place not being on the car. If there was an option to get the matte CF like on the FE I might have opted for that. It's really more about the tones and finishes that I wanted on my car. For my personal tastes, the CF is a bit too glossy with all the brushed aluminum accompanied with matte finishes and softer tones throughout the car. If I was getting a GT car I'd be more inclined to get the CF but still goes back to personal taste for me over all as I'm the one driving it and footing the bill .
I love all the feedback this community has to offer as were all passionate about the brand and these particular vehicles.
The sound is great of course but I do believe I am not getting the same pops and gurgles as the PFL. I would honestly have to hear a PFL and an FL and a FE to be able to tell the difference without a doubt.
Last edited by AddMoreGas; Apr 20, 2023 at 01:29 AM.
l don’t remember if I already asked you this, but how is the sound relative to older FL’s? And if you’ve heard the PFL or have watched a YouTube sound video of a PFL, how does it compare? From what I heard the Euro and Aussie spec’d FE’s get the PFL sound but the non-FE’s retain the FL sound. I’ve yet to hear a US 2023 non-FE owner comment on the sound comparison of their car to a PFL or a 2019-21 FL.
The sound is great of course but I do believe the FL cars are not getting the same pops and gurgles as the PFL. I honestly would have to hear a PFL and an FL and a FE to be able to tell the difference without a doubt.
I will be getting a Renntech EVM though to have the ability to open up the valves to 100%.
Haven't gotten around to ppf wrapping the car yet, but I definitely am getting it stealth ppf'd in a month. I believe clear ppf will make the matte paint look gloss. There was a similar post here about someone with a magno selenite grey who clear wrapped and it became gloss and vise versa. Also on the GTR side, someone clear wrapped a Green Hell Magno paint job and it became a pretty awesome gloss. That color started to show more gold elements in the paint. So I guess you can't go wrong with either - but I like the stock stealth look of the C63S. Paint continues to surprise me with how it reflects light.
Interesting fact about the clear PPF on matte finish.
What products are you using to wash the car that will protect the matte finish? Any tips for quick detailing the matte finish on these paint jobs?
Nice to see both the FE and non-FE side by side. But it’s unfortunate that the info he provided had a few noticeable flaws. I just wanted to point some of them out so potential buyers aren't confused or misled.
0:46 “This one has the 10 spoke smaller diameter wheels which essentially grip more tire”. The twin 5 spoke rims he’s talking about are no different in diameter than the cross spoke black or silver rims. All three options are the same 19F/20R diameter and come with 255F/285R tires stock. Later he mentions they can only be optioned on the C63S. That might be technically true today, but they were also an option on the discontinued AMG GT coupe and roadster.
5:25 “This one has from the factory every option you can choose”. Uh…just no. Maybe the non-US spec FE has every option, but we all know MB dropped the ball on the US spec FE.
6:01 "What you're seeing there is Final Edition specific multi-spoke AMG wheels". He got the wheels wrong again. The FE's silver wheels are the same cross spoke wheel option available on the non-FE. They are certainly not specific to the FE.
7:19 "The first thing that you're greeted to is the yellow stitching. That's specific to this car" . Just by taking a quick look at some of the pics in this thread, you can see that the non-FE's also have yellow stitching so it's obviously not specific to the FE.
8:44 "...the steering wheel is specific to this car..." He points out that the yellow stitching and 12 o'clock marker are specific to the FE, however non-FE's steering wheels have the same yellow stitching and yellow 12 o'clock marker when spec'd with the same microfiber steering wheel as the FE. The only thing that sets it apart is the steering wheel badge. The FE reads "AMG Edition" whereas the non-FE's are just "AMG".
9:17 "...you have one C63S (non-FE) that has every option checked, and then you have this C63S (FE) which has every option checked, and then some" Same inaccurate claim as above. The FE clearly does not have every option checked. Missing are the exterior carbon I & II packages, night package, ceramic brakes, and heated & ventilated seats. That’s like $10k worth of options present on his non-FE, yet are awol on the FE which costs $25k more than his fully loaded non-FE.
He mentioned the side skirts and rear diffuser are slightly larger on the FE. I haven't had time to research those points and it's hard to see them clearly in the video.
Thanks for noticing them and pointing them out here for all of us.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by AddMoreGas
The sound is great of course but I do believe the FL cars are not getting the same pops and gurgles as the PFL. I honestly would have to hear a PFL and an FL and a FE to be able to tell the difference without a doubt.
I will be getting a Renntech EVM though to have the ability to open up the valves to 100%.
Yeah the EVM will make it sound better, although it won’t bring back the pops and bangs from the PFL.
FYI, the ASR EVM module which private labels the Renntech EVM is way cheaper and will save you a couple hundred bucks or so. In the past ASR only shipped to Europe. I think you can order directly now but I’m not 100% sure if that restriction is still in place. If it is, then there are German mail forwarders which charge around $30-50 to ship to a German P.O. Box and forward the package to you within a couple weeks.
Yeah the EVM will make it sound better, although it won’t bring back the pops and bangs from the PFL.
FYI, the ASR EVM module which private labels the Renntech EVM is way cheaper and will save you a couple hundred bucks or so. In the past ASR only shipped to Europe. I think you can order directly now but I’m not 100% sure if that restriction is still in place. If it is, then there are German mail forwarders which charge around $30-50 to ship to a German P.O. Box and forward the package to you within a couple weeks.
I wonder if the tuning of the FE, the ECU can be installed in the facelift non PE after figuring out the VIN part, if someone actually did it and the sound is identical then we can confirm it was only the ECU tuning all along and no exhaust change, maybe other than others mentioned the exhaust flaps opened fully.
That is true that ASR is the OG module, Renntech EVM is exactly the same as the ASR just that ASR licensed to the USA and charges extra, the remote is therefore slightly different with the branding different as well. Good advice on the forwarding service, another option would also be ship to a friend in Canada and have it ship to USA if for any reason the forwarding services doesn't work.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I wonder if the tuning of the FE, the ECU can be installed in the facelift non PE after figuring out the VIN part, if someone actually did it and the sound is identical then we can confirm it was only the ECU tuning all along and no exhaust change, maybe other than others mentioned the exhaust flaps opened fully.
I think someone on this thread or a recent thread mentioned that it's only an ECU tune but didn't elaborate much further. But as far as I'm aware, if it is ECU related, then the code for the PFL pops and bangs has yet to be cracked. It must be proprietary AMG software since no one has been able to bring back the PFL sound simply by tuning the ECU. Your proposed method might help to confirm 100% it's ECU software and shed some more light on this if the VIN part can be figured out.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
That is true that ASR is the OG module, Renntech EVM is exactly the same as the ASR just that ASR licensed to the USA and charges extra, the remote is therefore slightly different with the branding different as well. Good advice on the forwarding service, another option would also be ship to a friend in Canada and have it ship to USA if for any reason the forwarding services doesn't work.
When I ordered my ASR module in 2021, I don't think they allowed Canada shipments either but maybe they do now. So I opted for a German mail forwarder who charged a reasonable $35 at the time. I got my order in 2-3 weeks max. Overall I saved around $180 vs the Renntech. If ASR allows USA shipping now, the savings are closer to $300 since ASR dropped their price and Renntech slightly raised theirs. If a mail forwarder must be used, the savings will be closer to $250 but that's still a nice chunk of change.
I think someone on this thread or a recent thread mentioned that it's only an ECU tune but didn't elaborate much further. But as far as I'm aware, if it is ECU related, then the code for the PFL pops and bangs has yet to be cracked. It must be proprietary AMG software since no one has been able to bring back the PFL sound simply by tuning the ECU. Your proposed method might help to confirm 100% it's ECU software and shed some more light on this if the VIN part can be figured out.
When I ordered my ASR module in 2021, I don't think they allowed Canada shipments either but maybe they do now. So I opted for a German mail forwarder who charged a reasonable $35 at the time. I got my order in 2-3 weeks max. Overall I saved around $180 vs the Renntech. If ASR allows USA shipping now, the savings are closer to $300 since ASR dropped their price and Renntech slightly raised theirs. If a mail forwarder must be used, the savings will be closer to $250 but that's still a nice chunk of change.
I was wondering something about the sounds of the pops and such. Would the fact that the transmission changed to a 9 speed, including the realized adjustments overall to the engine and shifting at different points in the power band due to having more gears, be a factor in the changing of the sound of the exhaust? Coupled with the ECU tune of keeping the dampers closed more permanently? Kindly oblige a thought from someone who may not know as much as others about the technicals behind such a theory. I'm just throwing out an idea lol...
And good to know about the euro option from ASR, I'll look into it!
I think someone on this thread or a recent thread mentioned that it's only an ECU tune but didn't elaborate much further. But as far as I'm aware, if it is ECU related, then the code for the PFL pops and bangs has yet to be cracked. It must be proprietary AMG software since no one has been able to bring back the PFL sound simply by tuning the ECU. Your proposed method might help to confirm 100% it's ECU software and shed some more light on this if the VIN part can be figured out.
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I am curious if people can even get the FE ECU working on the facelift non-FE other than the VIN part, like if there are systems that may reject the ECU, hopefully not.
When I ordered my ASR module in 2021, I don't think they allowed Canada shipments either but maybe they do now. So I opted for a German mail forwarder who charged a reasonable $35 at the time. I got my order in 2-3 weeks max. Overall I saved around $180 vs the Renntech. If ASR allows USA shipping now, the savings are closer to $300 since ASR dropped their price and Renntech slightly raised theirs. If a mail forwarder must be used, the savings will be closer to $250 but that's still a nice chunk of change.
I see, it still doesn't allow Canada shipments actually it allows you to select the country but there are no couriers available to be selected making that option essentially useless (unless I am missing something). Not to mention it doesn't let you select the province (unless I am missing something again).
I see, maybe the licensing agreement expired? Good to hear that they finally ship to the USA now.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I see, it still doesn't allow Canada shipments actually it allows you to select the country but there are no couriers available to be selected making that option essentially useless (unless I am missing something). Not to mention it doesn't let you select the province (unless I am missing something again).
I see, maybe the licensing agreement expired? Good to hear that they finally ship to the USA now.
The cart allows you to login to Amazon Pay and select a USA shipping address but I didn’t proceed with my test order any further than that so I’m not sure if they actually lifted the restriction to USA. If they haven’t, then the workaround is using a German mail forwarder. I used one called Mailboxde.com a couple years ago, they charged around $35 at the time.
The cart allows you to login to Amazon Pay and select a USA shipping address but I didn’t proceed with my test order any further than that so I’m not sure if they actually lifted the restriction to USA. If they haven’t, then the workaround is using a German mail forwarder. I used one called Mailboxde.com a couple years ago, they charged around $35 at the time.
I see yup the mail forwarder method is a good option.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Do you have a video of your $400 exhaust tune in action? From what I understand, it unlocks pops and bangs on the FL C63 to make it sound like the PFL?
Last edited by amdeutsch; Apr 29, 2023 at 08:32 PM.
Got a 2023 C63S today...Here's the spec. Uggh... I had to pay 10K over but shipping in an enclosed carrier for 2k miles to my house was 3K and I got them to throw that in. As you know the non FEs are disappearing fast and not being replenished. Soon there will be nothing but FEs left like there kinda is now.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
I’m happy your long wait and difficult search came to a rewarding conclusion. It’s an identical spec to mine except the exterior color and performance tires. Congrats!!! 🥳👏🥂
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