Advice: Buying a 2021 C63 AMG S

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May 14, 2025 | 08:53 PM
  #151  
Quote: We should clarify. AMG seems to struggle adapting the MCT to the 4-cylinder. This is the first time it was paired to something else than a V8. I love the 9-speed MCT in the FL C63, but I hated the MCT in the W206 C63 SE. It is very poorly implemented there, IMO. There are also known issues in the W206 C43 with it that AMG has acknowledged since the car was revealed, but I believe owners are still waiting for a software fix. The MCT was originally specifically developed for the V8 engines, and it seems it doesn't get along too well with the M139. The A/CLA 45 use a transverse dual clutch which seems the better fit for this engine.
Sadly yes, they are taking a bit more time than we wanted, the launch of the C 63 S E Performance was hugely delayed then the software update also came late, now after those software updates, it is still not fixed with no ETA when the next software update or attempt is to be released/made.

I can't remember if I asked this before but did they ever considered/planned/announced they will pair the MCT with the M256 and M256 M engine? Or because it is not hand built or fully designed by amg (only tuned) they won't?
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May 14, 2025 | 09:06 PM
  #152  
Quote: Sadly yes, they are taking a bit more time than we wanted, the launch of the C 63 S E Performance was hugely delayed then the software update also came late, now after those software updates, it is still not fixed with no ETA when the next software update or attempt is to be released/made.

I can't remember if I asked this before but did they ever considered/planned/announced they will pair the MCT with the M256 and M256 M engine? Or because it is not hand built or fully designed by amg (only tuned) they won't?
There hasn't been an announcement, but I suppose never say never. The 53 models have the electric motor integrated into the transmission, which so far hasn't been done with the MCT. All the hybrid models that use the MCT use the P3 Hybrid system where the electric motor is separate from the transmission integrated into the rear axle differential and that setup has so far been exclusively for the 63 badge.
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May 14, 2025 | 10:02 PM
  #153  
Quote: There hasn't been an announcement, but I suppose never say never. The 53 models have the electric motor integrated into the transmission, which so far hasn't been done with the MCT. All the hybrid models that use the MCT use the P3 Hybrid system where the electric motor is separate from the transmission integrated into the rear axle differential and that setup has so far been exclusively for the 63 badge.
Sounds like a major rework will have to be done if they to put that system in the MCT.
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May 15, 2025 | 01:49 PM
  #154  
New C63-S on the market outside of Boston. 2023 coupe with <5k miles. It’s fully loaded. It’s a high price: $89k for a non-final edition. That said, it’s CPO, although not sure that does anything since there are 23 months left on the OEM warranty

https://www.mbob.com/used-Burlington...WJ8HB9PG127753
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May 15, 2025 | 02:02 PM
  #155  
Quote: New C63-S on the market outside of Boston. 2023 coupe with <5k miles. It’s fully loaded. It’s a high price: $89k for a non-final edition. That said, it’s CPO, although not sure that does anything since there are 23 months left on the OEM warranty

https://www.mbob.com/used-Burlington...WJ8HB9PG127753
CPO still adds another 12 months to those 23 months, so that's a nice warranty period.
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May 15, 2025 | 02:12 PM
  #156  
Quote: CPO still adds another 12 months to those 23 months, so that's a nice warranty period.
Oh wow, that’s great. I thought it was concurrent. So I could buy the extended CPO and be covered for ~5 years? That would be a good outcome
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May 15, 2025 | 03:09 PM
  #157  
Quote: Oh wow, that’s great. I thought it was concurrent. So I could buy the extended CPO and be covered for ~5 years? That would be a good outcome
Only problem with CPO warranty is that it is extremely limited, again I forgot what is the difference between the CPO (also called Star warranty) and new car warranty but at least the major things of the powertrain the engine and transmission is covered under CPO warranty.
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May 15, 2025 | 03:11 PM
  #158  
Do not buy extended CPO, buy extended warranty on the new car warranty as it covers more items than CPO.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:07 PM
  #159  
Quote: Do not buy extended CPO, buy extended warranty on the new car warranty as it covers more items than CPO.
Oh really? I thought the extension on the factor warranty was more limited. Thank you for advising.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:21 PM
  #160  
Quote: Oh really? I thought the extension on the factor warranty was more limited. Thank you for advising.
I had a friend that bought a CPO lately, the dealership immediately offered extended warranty packages to extend on the new car warranty. They give them a list of items covered with cpo and non-cpo, it was a huge list, wish he kept a copy. Yes extended warranty is more limited than factory new car warranty but it still covers more than cpo, much more.

Obviously, we can argue the dealership is just trying to make money by selling warranties but the fact remains cpo warranty is very limited but the very big ticket items as mentioned is covered, maybe you can just get by with cpo after all. Or maybe you could also wait till near the end of the new car warranty then negotiate around, you don't have to make the decision now, not sure if that is a good idea though.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:24 PM
  #161  
Here is a brochure of extended limited warranty: https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/content...rochure_EN.pdf
https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/cpo#...d%20kilometres.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:26 PM
  #162  
Should had gave you a mbusa link: https://www.mbusa.com/content/dam/mb...%2006.2019.pdf
https://www.mbusa.com/en/cpo

not sure why you can't find the covered items online, why is it such top secret

but the brief list mentioned is
  • Engine Components
  • Powertrain Components
  • Battery state of health (EVs only)
  • Suspension
  • Brakes (excluding normal wear of discs and pads)
  • Steering
  • Electrical Systems
  • Climate Control
  • Audio and Navigation Systems
  • Central Locking
  • Convertible/Retractable Top Systems (if applicable)
  • And more
The and more part you need to find out from the dealership.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:30 PM
  #163  
Friend replied to me and said he have a copy of the list of items SCW (star certified warranty) vs extended limited warranty.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:31 PM
  #164  



Remember, this is Canada though although should be similar to mbusa market.
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May 15, 2025 | 04:34 PM
  #165  
Welp, hope that helps, good luck with your continued search OP, please keep us posted.
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May 15, 2025 | 09:26 PM
  #166  
Quote: I had a friend that bought a CPO lately, the dealership immediately offered extended warranty packages to extend on the new car warranty. They give them a list of items covered with cpo and non-cpo, it was a huge list, wish he kept a copy. Yes extended warranty is more limited than factory new car warranty but it still covers more than cpo, much more.

Obviously, we can argue the dealership is just trying to make money by selling warranties but the fact remains cpo warranty is very limited but the very big ticket items as mentioned is covered, maybe you can just get by with cpo after all. Or maybe you could also wait till near the end of the new car warranty then negotiate around, you don't have to make the decision now, not sure if that is a good idea though.
Yes, you can purchase a MB Extended Warranty right before the 4 year/ 50,000 miles expires. The options are 1 year, 2 years or 3 years. That's it.

In April 2023 I purchased the MB Extended Warranty for 2 year/75,000 miles. It's just expired. I now regret I didn't purchase the 3 year/75,000 miles. Peace of mind.
This warranty is transferable, if so desirable, to a private new owner.




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May 15, 2025 | 09:33 PM
  #167  
Quote: Yes, you can purchase a MB Extended Warranty right before the 4 year/ 50,000 miles expires. The options are 1 year, 2 years or 3 years. That's it.

In April 2023 I purchased the MB Extended Warranty for 2 year/75,000 miles. It's just expired. I now regret I didn't purchase the 3 year/75,000 miles. Peace of mind.
This warranty is transferable, if so desirable, to a private new owner.
Vehicle is Reliable right? Might as well pocket the money you use with buying extended warranty and store it in a bank account and set it aside for any repairs that comes.
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May 15, 2025 | 09:36 PM
  #168  
Here is a great post on extended warranties: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...ml#post8023361
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May 16, 2025 | 12:09 AM
  #169  
Quote: Welp, hope that helps, good luck with your continued search OP, please keep us posted.
thanks man. You deserve a drink or dinner for all the help here. I’ve learned so much about this purchase through my post. Truly grateful

I am going to start negotiating on this 2023 coupe. I have to be in Boston in 3 weeks for work, so this could work out! 🤞
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May 16, 2025 | 09:58 AM
  #170  
Quote: thanks man. You deserve a drink or dinner for all the help here. I’ve learned so much about this purchase through my post. Truly grateful

I am going to start negotiating on this 2023 coupe. I have to be in Boston in 3 weeks for work, so this could work out! 🤞
You're most welcome! I am glad to hear that I was helpful. All the best with the search please feel free to always keep us posted.
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May 26, 2025 | 02:26 PM
  #171  
Quick update here. After my Nashville failure, I thought a new vehicle would be best for me. I tested a well optioned new CLE 53 AMG. The exterior is beautiful. Then I got inside: it was a disappointment. The steering wheel controls are unintuitive (and I am relatively tech savvy) and sensitive. I also have large hands, so placing pressure for “up” often wouldn’t go up. I also didn’t enjoy the large screen and the nested menus. The “touch” control for the moonroof was also strange - I couldn’t’ figure out how to slide it up open vs. pop it open. I really tried to embrace it but just didn’t enjoy it. Not sure how you operate these features easily while driving.

I am back on the hunt for a 2021-2023 C63 W205 style. I found a new one with 18k miles with Drivers Assistance Package. Some minor wear and tear, but I think it can all be remedied. Hope to pull the trigger here soon!
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May 26, 2025 | 02:50 PM
  #172  
Quote: Quick update here. After my Nashville failure, I thought a new vehicle would be best for me. I tested a well optioned new CLE 53 AMG. The exterior is beautiful. Then I got inside: it was a disappointment. The steering wheel controls are unintuitive (and I am relatively tech savvy) and sensitive. I also have large hands, so placing pressure for “up” often wouldn’t go up. I also didn’t enjoy the large screen and the nested menus. The “touch” control for the moonroof was also strange - I couldn’t’ figure out how to slide it up open vs. pop it open. I really tried to embrace it but just didn’t enjoy it. Not sure how you operate these features easily while driving.

I am back on the hunt for a 2021-2023 C63 W205 style. I found a new one with 18k miles with Drivers Assistance Package. Some minor wear and tear, but I think it can all be remedied. Hope to pull the trigger here soon!
Yeah, I do like the CLE 53 and even the new GT 63 from a driving perspective, but like you, the interior ergonomics these days just put me off. I've had a few new loaners and drove new AMGs, so if I really had to, I could live with the capacitive buttons and the touchscreen, but I don't want to. All modern interiors kinda look the same now. A giant screen and digital instrument cluster, with no real unique character and capacitive buttons that don't work half the time or you trigger accidentally the other half of the time. Seems like they are all finally starting to go back to physical buttons, because customers largely hate it. I think it's all eventually coming back.
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May 26, 2025 | 03:12 PM
  #173  
Quote: Quick update here. After my Nashville failure, I thought a new vehicle would be best for me. I tested a well optioned new CLE 53 AMG. The exterior is beautiful. Then I got inside: it was a disappointment. The steering wheel controls are unintuitive (and I am relatively tech savvy) and sensitive. I also have large hands, so placing pressure for “up” often wouldn’t go up. I also didn’t enjoy the large screen and the nested menus. The “touch” control for the moonroof was also strange - I couldn’t’ figure out how to slide it up open vs. pop it open. I really tried to embrace it but just didn’t enjoy it. Not sure how you operate these features easily while driving.

I am back on the hunt for a 2021-2023 C63 W205 style. I found a new one with 18k miles with Drivers Assistance Package. Some minor wear and tear, but I think it can all be remedied. Hope to pull the trigger here soon!
I too am shopping for a CLE 53 and still taking time to get used to the capacitive touch stuff, I thought it would be an easy fix and just retrofit the older style steering wheel with actual buttons but I think it is not as simple as it seems. Then there are also the capacitive touch seat heating/ventilation control on the door. So far, I have three vehicles on my shopping list, CLE 53, E 53 or the C 53 whenever that comes out, forum member superswiss kindly linked an article from a source saying they are bringing two more cylinders to the W206 lineup so that is good.
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May 26, 2025 | 03:16 PM
  #174  
Quote: Yeah, I do like the CLE 53 and even the new GT 63 from a driving perspective, but like you, the interior ergonomics these days just put me off. I've had a few new loaners and drove new AMGs, so if I really had to, I could live with the capacitive buttons and the touchscreen, but I don't want to. All modern interiors kinda look the same now. A giant screen and digital instrument cluster, with no real unique character and capacitive buttons that don't work half the time or you trigger accidentally the other half of the time. Seems like they are all finally starting to go back to physical buttons, because customers largely hate it. I think it's all eventually coming back.
I hope you don't mind me sharing your very helpful thread and experience by linking it to this thread on the CLE 53, the C 63 S E Performance: https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c43-a...ve-c63-se.html
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May 26, 2025 | 03:17 PM
  #175  
https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...ml#post9033453
https://mbworld.org/forums/coupe-roa...ml#post9036101
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