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WoW what a BLOWHARD...
Offended me? How do you figure you offended me? I'm not even phased by your mods... nor by your horrible spelling, but that's not important, I'm relatively smart enough to understand what you're trying to say with some of these every day words you can't seem to spell properly. So, where did I say I was offended?
Of course you have. And I was drinking buddies with the pope. From your previous comments about "my system" which you have absolutely no idea of what it is, you sure didn't come across as very knowledgeable in the field of Methanol injection.
I never asked you to "explain" yourself. I asked, based on your ORIGINAL thread, why you thought you needed a tune for something as simple as an aftermarket heat exchanger. I believe these are your words, no?:
So, what am I supposed to infer from those words, exactly, if not that you got a new tune FOR THE NEW COOLER? Hmmm?
Why would it be so interesting to you, after all, you've supposedly installed plenty of Methanol kits in your lifetime. Where did I lose you? Please tell me, so that I may take your hand and explain it to you.
Of course you don't care, because you have no clue. For someone who has had a "race car", you sure are technologically inept. I mean, seriously! What gear head nowadays doesn't have some sort of data logging, especially with the ease todays vehicles can be data logged. How will you know if your "upgraded tune" did you any good? How will you know if your heat exchanger did you a lot of good? How much boost did you gain? etc. etc. etc.
Again, I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape because I asked this question, especially after telling you that the ECU can EASILY handle the changes you've made. Now, had you said "I tuned the car because I wanted a flatter torque curve", or just simply "I wanted to tune it", then fine. But don't get your panties in a knot when someone asks you why you tuned the car just because you added a new heat exchanger, something that you didn't need to do (the tune, that is). But, in the end, it's your money, if you want to blow it on such things, hey, more power to you.
The fact that you are under the impression I am upset amuses me. Hell, you amuse me in general, but again, we're going off topic. I am also greatly amused at how you seemed to magically know what system I am running, and what safeties are on it... what? You didn't know what set-up I was running? Oh. Silly me.
Yes, perhaps one of those "better" things to do is learn how to spell common words... or, at the very least, use "Spell Check". While this isn't English 101, I do promise you people will take you more seriously when you can spell properly. As fas as why I have such an "extence response" (WTF is EXTENCE????), my extended response is simple. I explain my point(s), unlike you. I'm a stickler for explaining stuff.
I never said I didn't respect your mods. Get that through your thick head. I also don't question "everything" you do. Hell, frankly I could care less. But you DID post a thread on an Internet forum. Such is the nature of these threads that people converse in them. Much like we do. Sometimes, not everyone will suck on your left nut and congratulate you on your amazing upgrades. Some people are a little less touchy feely... again, not really a word.
No, I don't need any "specific" answers from the company that makes the units. I asked YOU these answers because... well, I figured that you actually did some research on the go fast item(s) you purchase... you know, like most gear heads would do. Most, would not just take a company's claim their product is so much better than a competitor's without doing some sort of research. Furthermore, most gear heads tend to be inquisitive and get hard proof on what kind of power the new mods may make/not make. But who knows, with you being in the racing industry, maybe your type just believes everything they are told about a performance product and as such don't bother with checking on any claims a manufacturer may make. Yes, that seems legit.
Right... and you drive a 25K dollar car. Get real, now you're just starting to sound like a desperate individual who is trying to justify his "experience". And which is it, 8 or 9 years? We're not talking decades or centuries, here! You should at least be able to pin it down to either 8 or 9 years. For example, I can tell you that I've been in my profession for 11 years, 8 months and 7 days.
No, of course you didn't, because you have no clue. Had you asked a real gear head those questions, he/she would have told you EXACTLY what numbers they were seeing. You know, like in the world of race cars, hard numbers are everything.
A crazy long "responce"? Let's see how long this "responce" would be.
Yes, such a long, lengthy "Responce". My God, I now see why you didn't bother with it. I mean, it about wiped me out, typing that "responce" example.
Of course you have. And I was drinking buddies with the pope. From your previous comments about "my system" which you have absolutely no idea of what it is, you sure didn't come across as very knowledgeable in the field of Methanol injection.
I never asked you to "explain" yourself. I asked, based on your ORIGINAL thread, why you thought you needed a tune for something as simple as an aftermarket heat exchanger. I believe these are your words, no?:
So, what am I supposed to infer from those words, exactly, if not that you got a new tune FOR THE NEW COOLER? Hmmm?
Why would it be so interesting to you, after all, you've supposedly installed plenty of Methanol kits in your lifetime. Where did I lose you? Please tell me, so that I may take your hand and explain it to you.
Of course you don't care, because you have no clue. For someone who has had a "race car", you sure are technologically inept. I mean, seriously! What gear head nowadays doesn't have some sort of data logging, especially with the ease todays vehicles can be data logged. How will you know if your "upgraded tune" did you any good? How will you know if your heat exchanger did you a lot of good? How much boost did you gain? etc. etc. etc.
Again, I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape because I asked this question, especially after telling you that the ECU can EASILY handle the changes you've made. Now, had you said "I tuned the car because I wanted a flatter torque curve", or just simply "I wanted to tune it", then fine. But don't get your panties in a knot when someone asks you why you tuned the car just because you added a new heat exchanger, something that you didn't need to do (the tune, that is). But, in the end, it's your money, if you want to blow it on such things, hey, more power to you.
The fact that you are under the impression I am upset amuses me. Hell, you amuse me in general, but again, we're going off topic. I am also greatly amused at how you seemed to magically know what system I am running, and what safeties are on it... what? You didn't know what set-up I was running? Oh. Silly me.
Yes, perhaps one of those "better" things to do is learn how to spell common words... or, at the very least, use "Spell Check". While this isn't English 101, I do promise you people will take you more seriously when you can spell properly. As fas as why I have such an "extence response" (WTF is EXTENCE????), my extended response is simple. I explain my point(s), unlike you. I'm a stickler for explaining stuff.
I never said I didn't respect your mods. Get that through your thick head. I also don't question "everything" you do. Hell, frankly I could care less. But you DID post a thread on an Internet forum. Such is the nature of these threads that people converse in them. Much like we do. Sometimes, not everyone will suck on your left nut and congratulate you on your amazing upgrades. Some people are a little less touchy feely... again, not really a word.
No, I don't need any "specific" answers from the company that makes the units. I asked YOU these answers because... well, I figured that you actually did some research on the go fast item(s) you purchase... you know, like most gear heads would do. Most, would not just take a company's claim their product is so much better than a competitor's without doing some sort of research. Furthermore, most gear heads tend to be inquisitive and get hard proof on what kind of power the new mods may make/not make. But who knows, with you being in the racing industry, maybe your type just believes everything they are told about a performance product and as such don't bother with checking on any claims a manufacturer may make. Yes, that seems legit.
Right... and you drive a 25K dollar car. Get real, now you're just starting to sound like a desperate individual who is trying to justify his "experience". And which is it, 8 or 9 years? We're not talking decades or centuries, here! You should at least be able to pin it down to either 8 or 9 years. For example, I can tell you that I've been in my profession for 11 years, 8 months and 7 days.
No, of course you didn't, because you have no clue. Had you asked a real gear head those questions, he/she would have told you EXACTLY what numbers they were seeing. You know, like in the world of race cars, hard numbers are everything.
A crazy long "responce"? Let's see how long this "responce" would be.
Code:
Me: Hey, what are your before and after IAT's and PSI? You. Before, my IAT's were xyz over ambient, now they are xzy over ambient. Boost, before was xx, now its xx at xxxx RPM.
Freestylebiker's informative, helpful, thread for crying out loud..
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thanks thericker ..ya i don't know what got in to this guy, i guess i hurt his feelings some how and he exploded with pages of crazy mind blowing insulting comments which i never deserved, i never insulted him.. but i guess he felt like insulting ever little possible thing he can think of about me... but o well that's life you always come across someone who kills the "party" and goes overboard. hopefully this thread can go back to normal.. i will be posting pics soon on the front mount cooler with the bumper installed
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Hello,
I have no comment concerning the topic, however you could make a small fortune
(If you lived long enough) preparing
Originally Posted by Sathinas
Offended me? How do you figure you offended me? I'm not even phased by your mods... nor by your horrible spelling, but that's not important, I'm relatively smart enough to understand what you're trying to say with some of these every day words you can't seem to spell properly. So, where did I say I was offended?
Of course you have. And I was drinking buddies with the pope. From your previous comments about "my system" which you have absolutely no idea of what it is, you sure didn't come across as very knowledgeable in the field of Methanol injection.
I never asked you to "explain" yourself. I asked, based on your ORIGINAL thread, why you thought you needed a tune for something as simple as an aftermarket heat exchanger. I believe these are your words, no?:
So, what am I supposed to infer from those words, exactly, if not that you got a new tune FOR THE NEW COOLER? Hmmm?
Why would it be so interesting to you, after all, you've supposedly installed plenty of Methanol kits in your lifetime. Where did I lose you? Please tell me, so that I may take your hand and explain it to you.
Of course you don't care, because you have no clue. For someone who has had a "race car", you sure are technologically inept. I mean, seriously! What gear head nowadays doesn't have some sort of data logging, especially with the ease todays vehicles can be data logged. How will you know if your "upgraded tune" did you any good? How will you know if your heat exchanger did you a lot of good? How much boost did you gain? etc. etc. etc.
Again, I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape because I asked this question, especially after telling you that the ECU can EASILY handle the changes you've made. Now, had you said "I tuned the car because I wanted a flatter torque curve", or just simply "I wanted to tune it", then fine. But don't get your panties in a knot when someone asks you why you tuned the car just because you added a new heat exchanger, something that you didn't need to do (the tune, that is). But, in the end, it's your money, if you want to blow it on such things, hey, more power to you.
The fact that you are under the impression I am upset amuses me. Hell, you amuse me in general, but again, we're going off topic. I am also greatly amused at how you seemed to magically know what system I am running, and what safeties are on it... what? You didn't know what set-up I was running? Oh. Silly me.
Yes, perhaps one of those "better" things to do is learn how to spell common words... or, at the very least, use "Spell Check". While this isn't English 101, I do promise you people will take you more seriously when you can spell properly. As fas as why I have such an "extence response" (WTF is EXTENCE????), my extended response is simple. I explain my point(s), unlike you. I'm a stickler for explaining stuff.
I never said I didn't respect your mods. Get that through your thick head. I also don't question "everything" you do. Hell, frankly I could care less. But you DID post a thread on an Internet forum. Such is the nature of these threads that people converse in them. Much like we do. Sometimes, not everyone will suck on your left nut and congratulate you on your amazing upgrades. Some people are a little less touchy feely... again, not really a word.
No, I don't need any "specific" answers from the company that makes the units. I asked YOU these answers because... well, I figured that you actually did some research on the go fast item(s) you purchase... you know, like most gear heads would do. Most, would not just take a company's claim their product is so much better than a competitor's without doing some sort of research. Furthermore, most gear heads tend to be inquisitive and get hard proof on what kind of power the new mods may make/not make. But who knows, with you being in the racing industry, maybe your type just believes everything they are told about a performance product and as such don't bother with checking on any claims a manufacturer may make. Yes, that seems legit.
Right... and you drive a 25K dollar car. Get real, now you're just starting to sound like a desperate individual who is trying to justify his "experience". And which is it, 8 or 9 years? We're not talking decades or centuries, here! You should at least be able to pin it down to either 8 or 9 years. For example, I can tell you that I've been in my profession for 11 years, 8 months and 7 days.
No, of course you didn't, because you have no clue. Had you asked a real gear head those questions, he/she would have told you EXACTLY what numbers they were seeing. You know, like in the world of race cars, hard numbers are everything.
A crazy long "responce"? Let's see how long this "responce" would be.
Code:
Me: Hey, what are your before and after IAT's and PSI? You. Before, my IAT's were xyz over ambient, now they are xzy over ambient. Boost, before was xx, now its xx at xxxx RPM.
I have no comment concerning the topic, however you could make a small fortune
(If you lived long enough) preparing Responses
to a Petition for Divorce
Originally Posted by Sathinas
Offended me? How do you figure you offended me? I'm not even phased by your mods... nor by your horrible spelling, but that's not important, I'm relatively smart enough to understand what you're trying to say with some of these every day words you can't seem to spell properly. So, where did I say I was offended?
Of course you have. And I was drinking buddies with the pope. From your previous comments about "my system" which you have absolutely no idea of what it is, you sure didn't come across as very knowledgeable in the field of Methanol injection.
I never asked you to "explain" yourself. I asked, based on your ORIGINAL thread, why you thought you needed a tune for something as simple as an aftermarket heat exchanger. I believe these are your words, no?:
So, what am I supposed to infer from those words, exactly, if not that you got a new tune FOR THE NEW COOLER? Hmmm?
Why would it be so interesting to you, after all, you've supposedly installed plenty of Methanol kits in your lifetime. Where did I lose you? Please tell me, so that I may take your hand and explain it to you.
Of course you don't care, because you have no clue. For someone who has had a "race car", you sure are technologically inept. I mean, seriously! What gear head nowadays doesn't have some sort of data logging, especially with the ease todays vehicles can be data logged. How will you know if your "upgraded tune" did you any good? How will you know if your heat exchanger did you a lot of good? How much boost did you gain? etc. etc. etc.
Again, I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape because I asked this question, especially after telling you that the ECU can EASILY handle the changes you've made. Now, had you said "I tuned the car because I wanted a flatter torque curve", or just simply "I wanted to tune it", then fine. But don't get your panties in a knot when someone asks you why you tuned the car just because you added a new heat exchanger, something that you didn't need to do (the tune, that is). But, in the end, it's your money, if you want to blow it on such things, hey, more power to you.
The fact that you are under the impression I am upset amuses me. Hell, you amuse me in general, but again, we're going off topic. I am also greatly amused at how you seemed to magically know what system I am running, and what safeties are on it... what? You didn't know what set-up I was running? Oh. Silly me.
Yes, perhaps one of those "better" things to do is learn how to spell common words... or, at the very least, use "Spell Check". While this isn't English 101, I do promise you people will take you more seriously when you can spell properly. As fas as why I have such an "extence response" (WTF is EXTENCE????), my extended response is simple. I explain my point(s), unlike you. I'm a stickler for explaining stuff.
I never said I didn't respect your mods. Get that through your thick head. I also don't question "everything" you do. Hell, frankly I could care less. But you DID post a thread on an Internet forum. Such is the nature of these threads that people converse in them. Much like we do. Sometimes, not everyone will suck on your left nut and congratulate you on your amazing upgrades. Some people are a little less touchy feely... again, not really a word.
No, I don't need any "specific" answers from the company that makes the units. I asked YOU these answers because... well, I figured that you actually did some research on the go fast item(s) you purchase... you know, like most gear heads would do. Most, would not just take a company's claim their product is so much better than a competitor's without doing some sort of research. Furthermore, most gear heads tend to be inquisitive and get hard proof on what kind of power the new mods may make/not make. But who knows, with you being in the racing industry, maybe your type just believes everything they are told about a performance product and as such don't bother with checking on any claims a manufacturer may make. Yes, that seems legit.
Right... and you drive a 25K dollar car. Get real, now you're just starting to sound like a desperate individual who is trying to justify his "experience". And which is it, 8 or 9 years? We're not talking decades or centuries, here! You should at least be able to pin it down to either 8 or 9 years. For example, I can tell you that I've been in my profession for 11 years, 8 months and 7 days.
No, of course you didn't, because you have no clue. Had you asked a real gear head those questions, he/she would have told you EXACTLY what numbers they were seeing. You know, like in the world of race cars, hard numbers are everything.
A crazy long "responce"? Let's see how long this "responce" would be.
Code:
Me: Hey, what are your before and after IAT's and PSI? You. Before, my IAT's were xyz over ambient, now they are xzy over ambient. Boost, before was xx, now its xx at xxxx RPM.
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your set up looks nice... biggest issue i faced was re locating and building brackets for the oil cooler... question is, was your oil cooler easy to install
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Those both look really good. Will someone explain to me about this ion current sensor? I've tuned/built quite a few 600-700 horsepower cars but have never heard about this kind of knock detection sensor. Is this a 65 thing or is the knock detection the same on a a S/C 55 cars?
EDIT
I just found this thread. Good info Nick 55.
" Those are in fact knock sensors, and they are used to help determine ignition timing to prevent preignition. The computer does use Ionic Current Detection for misfire diagnosis, but at full load at high rpms, the computer reverts back to the good old crank sensor for misfire diagnosis. If the crank slows down ever so slightly, it is determined to be a misfire. Also, the OP was slightly misinformed, as the alternator is liquid cooled on all biturbo cars, not just the Maybach. The turbos are liquid cooled, in addition to the oil feeds and returns also, making for some interesting plumbing on the engine. Also, the black plastic piece between the cylinder valley is a vacuum reservoir for the divertor valves and the wastegates, which are all computer controlled by solenoid valves directing the engine vacuum and boost from the manifold.
Nick "
EDIT
I just found this thread. Good info Nick 55.
" Those are in fact knock sensors, and they are used to help determine ignition timing to prevent preignition. The computer does use Ionic Current Detection for misfire diagnosis, but at full load at high rpms, the computer reverts back to the good old crank sensor for misfire diagnosis. If the crank slows down ever so slightly, it is determined to be a misfire. Also, the OP was slightly misinformed, as the alternator is liquid cooled on all biturbo cars, not just the Maybach. The turbos are liquid cooled, in addition to the oil feeds and returns also, making for some interesting plumbing on the engine. Also, the black plastic piece between the cylinder valley is a vacuum reservoir for the divertor valves and the wastegates, which are all computer controlled by solenoid valves directing the engine vacuum and boost from the manifold.
Nick "
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Those both look really good. Will someone explain to me about this ion current sensor? I've tuned/built quite a few 600-700 horsepower cars but have never heard about this kind of knock detection sensor. Is this a 65 thing or is the knock detection the same on a a S/C 55 cars?
EDIT
I just found this thread. Good info Nick 55.
" Those are in fact knock sensors, and they are used to help determine ignition timing to prevent preignition. The computer does use Ionic Current Detection for misfire diagnosis, but at full load at high rpms, the computer reverts back to the good old crank sensor for misfire diagnosis. If the crank slows down ever so slightly, it is determined to be a misfire. Also, the OP was slightly misinformed, as the alternator is liquid cooled on all biturbo cars, not just the Maybach. The turbos are liquid cooled, in addition to the oil feeds and returns also, making for some interesting plumbing on the engine. Also, the black plastic piece between the cylinder valley is a vacuum reservoir for the divertor valves and the wastegates, which are all computer controlled by solenoid valves directing the engine vacuum and boost from the manifold.
Nick "
EDIT
I just found this thread. Good info Nick 55.
" Those are in fact knock sensors, and they are used to help determine ignition timing to prevent preignition. The computer does use Ionic Current Detection for misfire diagnosis, but at full load at high rpms, the computer reverts back to the good old crank sensor for misfire diagnosis. If the crank slows down ever so slightly, it is determined to be a misfire. Also, the OP was slightly misinformed, as the alternator is liquid cooled on all biturbo cars, not just the Maybach. The turbos are liquid cooled, in addition to the oil feeds and returns also, making for some interesting plumbing on the engine. Also, the black plastic piece between the cylinder valley is a vacuum reservoir for the divertor valves and the wastegates, which are all computer controlled by solenoid valves directing the engine vacuum and boost from the manifold.
Nick "
thanks for the info
