C63 VS CLA 45
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I would seriously consider this car down the road if the tuners are able to extract performance out of this car with just a tune and down pipe upgrade without swapping out the turbo. A heavier B8 S4 runs about 12.9/109 stock, so this thing will probably run around 12.4 @ 112. So a performance gain will probably put this car in the 11s.
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I have always wanted to get a C63 and was looking at purchasing one next year actually (Maybe 507 edition) however with the introduction of the CLA 45 I have been tossing up the idea of perhaps getting a CLA with some fancy extras.
So my main questions are (And i understand not too much is known but numbers should be finalized by now so we have a basic idea of how it will run)
1. Price and bang for your buck. C63's cost about $160000 here in Aus and the CLA 45 $90000 (I think around this price point). Is the CLA45 a very good bang for your buck car? I am leaning towards yes, others peoples thoughts?
2. Interior, I assume they would be pretty much identical with very little differences between them?
3. Specs: Obviously the C63 wins out here but really how much of a difference is there in this department? Is there enough to justify a $60000 price difference? What about smoothness of the drive?
Finally I do not run track days and am interested in a nice daily driver which packs a punch. The c63 was perfect for what I wanted but if there is minimal differences between the two then I would be happy to get a CLA 45
The main issue is given the price difference there must be something im missing? However given that the E 63 and C63 are very identical in my eyes maybe I am not missing anything? Any thoughts?
Sorry for the rambling!
I have always wanted to get a C63 and was looking at purchasing one next year actually (Maybe 507 edition) however with the introduction of the CLA 45 I have been tossing up the idea of perhaps getting a CLA with some fancy extras.
So my main questions are (And i understand not too much is known but numbers should be finalized by now so we have a basic idea of how it will run)
1. Price and bang for your buck. C63's cost about $160000 here in Aus and the CLA 45 $90000 (I think around this price point). Is the CLA45 a very good bang for your buck car? I am leaning towards yes, others peoples thoughts?
2. Interior, I assume they would be pretty much identical with very little differences between them?
3. Specs: Obviously the C63 wins out here but really how much of a difference is there in this department? Is there enough to justify a $60000 price difference? What about smoothness of the drive?
Finally I do not run track days and am interested in a nice daily driver which packs a punch. The c63 was perfect for what I wanted but if there is minimal differences between the two then I would be happy to get a CLA 45
The main issue is given the price difference there must be something im missing? However given that the E 63 and C63 are very identical in my eyes maybe I am not missing anything? Any thoughts?
Sorry for the rambling!
I'm waiting to see all the variants come out first, if MB make a proper 2 door coupe variant of the A45/CLA45 then I'll jump on that model staright away, IMHO it'll also be a much better proposition than a C63 coupe
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Where have you been?
Pow!!!! in your face, here is a 3.7 sec 0-60:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-7-0-60-a.html
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Do you realized that the C63 AMG pulled a 3.9 sec on car magazine back in Dec 2008, it pulled a 12.3@116mph? and that was without the PP (no rear slip differential)
Where have you been?
Pow!!!! in your face, here is a 3.7 sec 0-60:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-7-0-60-a.html
Where have you been?
Pow!!!! in your face, here is a 3.7 sec 0-60:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...-7-0-60-a.html
i did a 12.2 tune only on my very first drag pull ever w 3.9 0-60
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Not sure if you've decided already or not. I had the same choice. Went with the C63 Sedan for 3 major reasons:
1. Interior space. At 5'10" my head barely touches the ceiling when I sit in the back seat.
2. The 45's AWD is biased to FWD and will never send over 50% of power to the rear wheels. While that is good for traction and bad weather driving, just isn't as fun when you want the back wheels to misbehave.
3. The sound as mentioned already. 6.2 vs 2.0 (gotta love that V8 rumble/shout).
There were a lot of pros for the CLA; the price (about 50-60% of a C varies by options), the mpg (M-B claims over 40), 0-60 in ~4.6 (M-B is always very conservative with their times, probably closer to 4 than 4.5 seconds, but that is just guessing).
1. Interior space. At 5'10" my head barely touches the ceiling when I sit in the back seat.
2. The 45's AWD is biased to FWD and will never send over 50% of power to the rear wheels. While that is good for traction and bad weather driving, just isn't as fun when you want the back wheels to misbehave.
3. The sound as mentioned already. 6.2 vs 2.0 (gotta love that V8 rumble/shout).
There were a lot of pros for the CLA; the price (about 50-60% of a C varies by options), the mpg (M-B claims over 40), 0-60 in ~4.6 (M-B is always very conservative with their times, probably closer to 4 than 4.5 seconds, but that is just guessing).
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Calling BS. I have had a 2009 C63, 2010 E63, and now 2008 ClK63, and the C63 was the worst of the bunch regarding traction...the main reason I sold it. Beautiful car but chassis is totally overpowered by engine, hence I suspect one of the main reason's for AMG's detuning engine a bit...aside from marketing stuff. At the dragstrip (stickier surface) is one thing but in the real world, it is another thing altogether. Real handful, so much so that a torque-less M3 is only a few tenths of a second off in 0-60 & quarter mile. The CLA's AWD is it's sneaky fast secret. When people develop a tune for those the C63s are toast...so says the guy who otherwise loved his C63.
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Lots of interesting comparos thus far here with these 2 AMG models, you really can't take anything away from either one, they're both fantastic vehicles in their own individual way and with anyone getting one or the other it will come down to each to their own for their own reasons, you can argue performance differences of 10ths of a second and better exhaust sound etc. etc until the cows come home LOL, but at the end of the day as long as your happy with your decision that's all that matters
My take on it as before is I absolutely love this current C Class C63, however I'm totally won over by this new A Class AMG and look forward to acquiring the A45 variant as my 2nd MB in the garage, which I'm still hoping they release in a 3 hatch door variant.
2 main reasons stand out for me in favour of the A Class AMG, 1. it will cost around half as much to buy and 2. cost half as much or less to run compared to the C63, whilst delivering similar in fact better overall performance and safety than a C63 and being just as well equipped, in fact the interior is a definite step up from the current C Class.
I also suspect the new W205/C205 model will be even more expensive than the current one.
Here in the Australian market cars cost up to 3 times what they cost in the U.S and fuel is fast approaching $2 per litre, so cost/s is of vital importance.
It certainly would be nice to have an MB/AMG with similar or better performance and handling than a C63, looks just as good or better depending on personal tastes, has all the bells and whistles and that also costs half as much for the privilege of owning and running an AMG
My take on it as before is I absolutely love this current C Class C63, however I'm totally won over by this new A Class AMG and look forward to acquiring the A45 variant as my 2nd MB in the garage, which I'm still hoping they release in a 3 hatch door variant.
2 main reasons stand out for me in favour of the A Class AMG, 1. it will cost around half as much to buy and 2. cost half as much or less to run compared to the C63, whilst delivering similar in fact better overall performance and safety than a C63 and being just as well equipped, in fact the interior is a definite step up from the current C Class.
I also suspect the new W205/C205 model will be even more expensive than the current one.
Here in the Australian market cars cost up to 3 times what they cost in the U.S and fuel is fast approaching $2 per litre, so cost/s is of vital importance.
It certainly would be nice to have an MB/AMG with similar or better performance and handling than a C63, looks just as good or better depending on personal tastes, has all the bells and whistles and that also costs half as much for the privilege of owning and running an AMG
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If I could've gotten the A 45 AMG, I would have. That would have fixed one of my complaints (interior size), by not having that sloped roof. Sadly, the A-Class isn't available in US-spec, only the CLA.
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I'm absolutely certain your thrilled with your C63, I've had lots of driving time behind the wheel of one myself and certainly loved it
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C63 vs CLA 45
For me, and this will be my first Mercedes, the CLA45 was better than the C63 for many reasons.
I liked the styling much better. As I live in DT Seattle I'm often in traffic jams. Having all that V8 power in bumper to bumper traffic seemed a waste. The price of course and the interior seemed fresher (of course just my opinion here).
Now I'm just waiting till the thing actually arrives. It took a significant leap of faith to put down money on a car I haven't see in person or driven.
I liked the styling much better. As I live in DT Seattle I'm often in traffic jams. Having all that V8 power in bumper to bumper traffic seemed a waste. The price of course and the interior seemed fresher (of course just my opinion here).
Now I'm just waiting till the thing actually arrives. It took a significant leap of faith to put down money on a car I haven't see in person or driven.
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The CLA45 is sexy and I believe a tune on the A45 will at least equal the straight line acceleration of a stock non 507 C63. No one knows the ceiling of this motor because its not out yet, but it is safe to say that it will have plenty of options and offer superior gas mileage. With that being said, how many of you soon to be 45amg owners plan to void your warranty with a tune or performance parts?
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Calling BS. I have had a 2009 C63, 2010 E63, and now 2008 ClK63, and the C63 was the worst of the bunch regarding traction...the main reason I sold it. Beautiful car but chassis is totally overpowered by engine, hence I suspect one of the main reason's for AMG's detuning engine a bit...aside from marketing stuff. At the dragstrip (stickier surface) is one thing but in the real world, it is another thing altogether. Real handful, so much so that a torque-less M3 is only a few tenths of a second off in 0-60 & quarter mile. The CLA's AWD is it's sneaky fast secret. When people develop a tune for those the C63s are toast...so says the guy who otherwise loved his C63.
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For me, and this will be my first Mercedes, the CLA45 was better than the C63 for many reasons.
I liked the styling much better. As I live in DT Seattle I'm often in traffic jams. Having all that V8 power in bumper to bumper traffic seemed a waste. The price of course and the interior seemed fresher (of course just my opinion here).
Now I'm just waiting till the thing actually arrives. It took a significant leap of faith to put down money on a car I haven't see in person or driven.
I liked the styling much better. As I live in DT Seattle I'm often in traffic jams. Having all that V8 power in bumper to bumper traffic seemed a waste. The price of course and the interior seemed fresher (of course just my opinion here).
Now I'm just waiting till the thing actually arrives. It took a significant leap of faith to put down money on a car I haven't see in person or driven.
There are now a lot of reputable reviewers who've driven and tested the A45 and CLA45 with not much negativity, it's mainly all good news, the A45 has established itself as the new hot hatch benchmark, it makes the M135i model range look ordinary and left behind in nearly every way, which not too long ago was one of the best performance cars you could buy for the money.
Longevity is another issue as it is still too new to know, but from MB literature it certainly looks like it's been built to last, some of the engine internal components are shared with the new twin turbo V8, the transmission is a development of the MCT used in other high power V8 AMG's and the Haldek has been specifically prepped to AMG spec.
There will undoubtedly be lots of scope for tuning, the engine is mega strong and should easily see 400bhp (300kw) and much higher torque with simple software tuning and the AWD set up will just put all that extra power and torque to good use rather than being wasted like a RWD or FWD vehicle
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As for an aftermarket software tune, I don't think we'll see any large gains. The HP gain will not be comparable to other turbo cars like Audi's 2.0t. AMG has this little monster running high boost right out of the box. Possibly a downpipe will increase the speed in which it spools, and a larger intercooler (if it fits) to maintain consistent hp numbers through the seasons.
Overall, I think we'll see some larger turbo's bolted on to see some really impressive numbers from the CLA45.
Overall, I think we'll see some larger turbo's bolted on to see some really impressive numbers from the CLA45.
