First dyno. 340 WHP
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My daily is an SRT-4, and it runs 16-17lbs peak. (Stage 1 PCM) Now talks of potential 35psi on a stock turbo, insane.
I hope the aftermarket really takes off on this car. Does anyone know what size the turbo is, or make and model?
Can't seem to find it anywhere.
I hope the aftermarket really takes off on this car. Does anyone know what size the turbo is, or make and model?
Can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Coming from 2 Evos and an STi ... I wonder how much turbo lag the CLA has. Need to see a torque curve vs. RPM dyno graph.
I personally could not stand my Evo/Sti's in hot weather with the AC blasting...the cars just had zero grunt off the line and felt like they lost 200whp lol. The more power you make on a 2.0 the more lag you get, naturally, but I wonder if and how AMG has possibly alleviated this.
I personally could not stand my Evo/Sti's in hot weather with the AC blasting...the cars just had zero grunt off the line and felt like they lost 200whp lol. The more power you make on a 2.0 the more lag you get, naturally, but I wonder if and how AMG has possibly alleviated this.
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The twin scroll suppose to give you the advantage of accepting the air from two cylinders at a different pulse thus enhancing spool characteristic. The single scroll is just all 4 cylinders putting air on the opening and interfering a little bit on the flow.
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With a 2 liter engine and a turbo already pushing supposedly 26lbs of boost I doubt there is much wiggle room in the tuning world.
Depending on internals, I'm picture a lot of people upgrading to bigger turbos, larger fueling/intake capacity, and if need be the internals themselves to get a lot more power out of these. I don't even want to think about what that would cost.
Needless to say, great numbers for a stock car but I just don't see much improvement without changing out major components.
Depending on internals, I'm picture a lot of people upgrading to bigger turbos, larger fueling/intake capacity, and if need be the internals themselves to get a lot more power out of these. I don't even want to think about what that would cost.
Needless to say, great numbers for a stock car but I just don't see much improvement without changing out major components.
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Good points C63newdude.
Here is an interesting read I came accross this morning: http://***********.com/content.php?3...AMG-dyno-graph
Here is an interesting read I came accross this morning: http://***********.com/content.php?3...AMG-dyno-graph
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^^^Thanks for the link, I saw this video about two weeks ago and I liked it. The couple of things that I don't like is the 100%FWD to 50-50% traction. In real hard driving situations accelerating from a dead stop you want more like 65% rear and 35% front or even 70% rear-30 front. I am saying this from owing 12 AWD cars (4 Evos, one STI, one WRX, 2 VR4s, one Carrera 4 and 4 DSMs).
Another thing that doesn't convince me is the watercooler intercooler. It seems like the water cooled intercooler"suppose" to offer better cooling than the air to air but a good FMIC with a decent size and shape does the job very well. Just thinking about having this hot water trying to cool a core doesn't make much sense to me, ironically I currently drive a car that comes from factory with a water cooled intercooler (or heat exchanger), this is a Passat TDI.
Another thing that doesn't convince me is the watercooler intercooler. It seems like the water cooled intercooler"suppose" to offer better cooling than the air to air but a good FMIC with a decent size and shape does the job very well. Just thinking about having this hot water trying to cool a core doesn't make much sense to me, ironically I currently drive a car that comes from factory with a water cooled intercooler (or heat exchanger), this is a Passat TDI.
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The couple of things that I don't like is the 100%FWD to 50-50% traction.
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That is exactly why. The CLA will be the same, I can't help but see this as a let down due to cost savings. Who can blame them though, they needed to work off the base CLA and not totally reinvent the wheel.
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I would still seriously consider the CLA along with the upcoming ATS-V, and maybe RS3 if I was in the market for a smaller more fuel efficient vehicle in future. I really like this car styling and it has real world performance. It'll run with just about anything you will encounter on the road from 0-80mph and with a few mods run neck and neck or faster than C63s
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Good points C63newdude.
Here is an interesting read I came accross this morning: http://***********.com/content.php?3...AMG-dyno-graph
Here is an interesting read I came accross this morning: http://***********.com/content.php?3...AMG-dyno-graph
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In this month's Motortrend article for the CLA45 the reviewer is say that this is the best I-4 motor he's ever driven. He says the power is very linear like a N/A and the torque is immediate. Hey if the aftermarket can make this car accelerate faster than a M135i which is a beast when tuned then the CLA45 will be a force to be reckonned with once second hand buyers get there hands on one with no real concern about factory warranty.
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Let's look at another FI 4 cylinder car with strong internals.
A stock srt-4 dyno's around 230whp, 300whp can be extracted with bolt ons and tune. Granted a stock srt-4 doesn't push 26.1psi stock, circa 14-15 peak.
Turbo swapped srt-4 50 trims make 400+whp, This can be done relatively cheap, even the 50trim can run on stock internals.
While GT35 turbo srt-4's have broken the 500+whp mark. Others are even higher. Red Sled comes to mind.
Do not discount a car just because it is a 4 cylinder. This isn't 1970.
That turbo 4 stock is dynoing similar to what my modified M113 V8 can muster.
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LOL. Maybe on stock turbo this will be true. Depends if the aftermarket takes off. Direct bolt on turbo kits I do not consider major upgrades. The block is sandcasted w/ a closed deck, and the whole bottom end is forged.
Let's look at another FI 4 cylinder car with strong internals.
A stock srt-4 dyno's around 230whp, 300whp can be extracted with bolt ons and tune. Granted a stock srt-4 doesn't push 26.1psi stock, circa 14-15 peak.
Turbo swapped srt-4 50 trims make 400+whp, This can be done relatively cheap, even the 50trim can run on stock internals.
While GT35 turbo srt-4's have broken the 500+whp mark. Others are even higher. Red Sled comes to mind.
Do not discount a car just because it is a 4 cylinder. This isn't 1970. That turbo 4 stock is dynoing similar to what my modified M113 V8 can muster.
Let's look at another FI 4 cylinder car with strong internals.
A stock srt-4 dyno's around 230whp, 300whp can be extracted with bolt ons and tune. Granted a stock srt-4 doesn't push 26.1psi stock, circa 14-15 peak.
Turbo swapped srt-4 50 trims make 400+whp, This can be done relatively cheap, even the 50trim can run on stock internals.
While GT35 turbo srt-4's have broken the 500+whp mark. Others are even higher. Red Sled comes to mind.
Do not discount a car just because it is a 4 cylinder. This isn't 1970.
That turbo 4 stock is dynoing similar to what my modified M113 V8 can muster.
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Interesting... The new BMW N55 turbo engine also uses the twin scroll Borg Warner B03 turbo (albeit with weaker internals).
I think 400whp for fully maxed out (including all possible bolt ons) is the absolute max you would push it. The real question is, how much can the DCT and PTU in the transmission handle. The PTU that sends power rearward is a very small unit, I would be shocked if it can handle more than 400whp with launch control.
I think 400whp for fully maxed out (including all possible bolt ons) is the absolute max you would push it. The real question is, how much can the DCT and PTU in the transmission handle. The PTU that sends power rearward is a very small unit, I would be shocked if it can handle more than 400whp with launch control.
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Not in anyway discounting the car because it's a 4, but how many of those SRT4s end up with blown engines at the end of the day, or rather can those with 500whp on their neons run that same setup for two years, if the money is there you can even get a smart fortwo to put down monster numbers, it's how long those set up can last for , now that's the trick
But original engine for sure. Also know of a couple 50 trims that are still doing great as well. I personally don't know anyone with a 500whp SRT-4. I am sure you can still find them on the SRT-4 forum. Do some of them blow engines, sure. Bound to happen when pushing the envelope or trying to out smart the tuner.
The CLA45 will be no different. The internals are there, now we just need the aftermarket.I personally think a CLA45 with a hybrid turbo setup (similar to N54 setup) with supporting mods will have no problem engine wise. I am more curious to see how the transmission will hold as others have said. Then again Mercedes is not known for its strong aftermarket. So, only time will tell.
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The a45 is sick car really! I am rarely impressed but It's an insane machine amg and Mb managed to make! i drove one a go-kart typed racetrack and It's just perfect imo ! so precise, idiot proof, very quick and so so much fun to slide 
Never experienced turbo lag unlike in the sl 500 i test drove before on the road... Imo the only issue with the a45 is that it sucks without the performance exhaust
i drove one a go-kart typed racetrack and It's just perfect imo ! so precise, idiot proof, very quick and so so much fun to slide Never experienced turbo lag unlike in the sl 500 i test drove before on the road... Imo the only issue with the a45 is that it sucks without the performance exhaust
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Not in anyway discounting the car because it's a 4, but how many of those SRT4s end up with blown engines at the end of the day, or rather can those with 500whp on their neons run that same setup for two years, if the money is there you can even get a smart fortwo to put down monster numbers, it's how long those set up can last for , now that's the trick
I think the aftermarket will really take to the CLA45. We are going to see lot's of high horsepower versions of this car. Tuners will figure out what the true limits of the car is. I would not make an assumption on the limits until it's been fully tested. I remember back in 2004 when I put HKS 272 cams in my Evo and had it tuned at 320whp that numerous people expected me to blow up my motor. Now most people know that Evos can take a lot more then that on the stock block.
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Interesting... The new BMW N55 turbo engine also uses the twin scroll Borg Warner B03 turbo (albeit with weaker internals).
I think 400whp for fully maxed out (including all possible bolt ons) is the absolute max you would push it. The real question is, how much can the DCT and PTU in the transmission handle. The PTU that sends power rearward is a very small unit, I would be shocked if it can handle more than 400whp with launch control.
I think 400whp for fully maxed out (including all possible bolt ons) is the absolute max you would push it. The real question is, how much can the DCT and PTU in the transmission handle. The PTU that sends power rearward is a very small unit, I would be shocked if it can handle more than 400whp with launch control.
http://www.autoevolution.com/mercede...son-66810.html
That's a massive gain from just a tune. And to top that off, Carlsson is an authorized MB Tuner, so Mercedes will still honor the car's warranty with their parts on it.
