Originally Posted by Sue Esponte

How big of them! But Carlsson cannot tell you that the factory warranty is unaffected. They have no authority to tell you whether Mercedes believes Carlsson's product voids a portion of the Mercedes warranty. Get something in writing from MB that it doesn't void your warranty or have Carlsson show you a full car warranty in the US under US law in the event MB elects not to cover a claim against an MB warranty.

I'm not going to give you a primer on common law vs. civil law and I can't help it if you don't understand how contracts work. All I'm telling you is that your expectations are off and your understanding is wrong.

-Eric

Originally Posted by Koru_Kinshi

Well it's great that it all boils down to contract law, which is nothing more than 'who's more right based off their arguments'.

If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be any need for attorneys, now would there? You feel it's wrong, I feel it's right. Regardless, I'll go with what I see. At least that way if they're wrong, I have someone's head to roll.

Long story short, don't tune it if you're afraid to blow your motor. I have every intention to after seeing a reputable company like Carlsson pull this power out of the motor with something as simple as a tune & exhaust.

And I doubt anyone here on this board, myself included, knows more about tuning Mercedes engines safely than a proven company like Carlsson or Brabus, etc.

Originally Posted by P3T3

There is no longterm reliable replacement for displacement. Sucked, blown, stroked, or juiced all motors take a toll from having an un-naturally aspirated intake or raised compression to increase the power generated during combustion. There's a price to pay for smaller lighter weight power. I'm sure the engineers at AMG have produced as much power as the engine can safely handle for the lifetime of the car. Any increase to their limit will definitely shorten it's lifespan. The more power you pull out of it the more stress it places on it. So you may not pop or melt it with a 40 hp boost, but over time it will break it down faster. That's the reason I won't buy used semi-performance vehicles. There's people out there who will perform ECM changes along with other mechanical aspects and then return it to stock at the end of their lease or when trading in. I don't get rid of my vehicles until there's at least 100k on the clock and if the first 36 of them were ran like a raped ape I don't think I'd get past 70 without some failure.

I only tune my bikes because I can easily afford a rebuild or replacement if I push them too much. I'd hate to find out the cost to replace an AMG engine because I wanted to shave a few tenths off a quarter mile. I'll save that for a non-daily driver with a cage or a wheelie bar.
Trust what the Carlson or Dinan or whomever performance company says, maybe it'll last for the duration you own the car. But I guarantee it is detrimental to the longevity of the engine/drivetrain, and good luck to anyone with a warranty other than the original manufacturers when it comes to bolt on or tuned in performance. It may get handled, but not without a hassle.

Originally Posted by dremorg

In this article, they say that more power could be extracted from the engine. I also read elsewhere in another article, an AMG executive saying the same thing.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11309206...-gets-rendered

Originally Posted by c63buckeye

http://www.carlsson.de/carlsson/en/p...lasse_C117.php

Carlsson’s flagship CLS conversion is for the CLA45 AMG, which comes with 360hp and 4WD as standard. Carlsson boosts the output of their CCA45 RSR to 450hp, which turns the compact four-door Coupe into a supercar killer. Carlsson offers a three-year warranty on all their conversions and parts. With fitting done by an accredited specialist workshop, the factory warranty is unaffected, and Carlsson guarantees all its own parts in full.


http://www.carlsson.de/carlsson/en/c..._guarantee.php

II. Damage to the drive train

1. Repair obligation
In addition to the customer‘s statutory or otherwise contractually based entitlements in respect of defects vis-à-vis the seller of the guarantee product in question, Carlsson also undertakes to repair the motor, rear axle differential, gears, cardan shaft and axle drive shaft (drive train) free-of-charge, if these suffer damage during the guarantee period as a result of installation of the guarantee product.

3.Preclusion in the case of a manufacturer‘s guarantee
Carlsson‘s repair obligation pursuant to No. I shall not apply for the period during which the manufacturer of the vehicle in which the guarantee product was installed has granted a general manufacturer‘ s guarantee for the drive train, or for the period during which there is an appropriate warranty entitlement vis-à-vis the vehicle manufacturer. However, if this manufacturer‘s guarantee or warranty entitlement should lapse solely due to installation of the guarantee product, Carlsson‘s repair obligation will remain in force [take effect].

Originally Posted by Sue Esponte

Show that to a lawyer. Then come back and let us know if they agree with your interpretation.

Originally Posted by Koru_Kinshi

Nice find.

Originally Posted by carlsson guaranty

3. European Union
The guarantee only applies to vehicles registered in a member state of the European Union.

4. Legal Venue
Carlsson‘s registered office shall be the sole legal venue for all current and future claims deriving from this guarantee and involving fully qualified merchants under the German Commercial Code. The same legal venue shall apply if the customer does not have a general legal venue.

Originally Posted by Koru_Kinshi

You must really hate being proven wrong.

Originally Posted by RNS-11Z

Willal Racing in Australia is currently working on one of these. They have picked up 100nm in the midrange. They are currently working on the throttle limitations in 1st and 2nd gear.