Weistec Engineering Released the CLA45/A45 Downpipe and Midpipe!
#101
Super Member
It appears that you do not understand business, of course the customer pays for it. They don't just spend the money to research something and them sell it at a price point as if no costs had already been incurred. The very first objective is to recover the research and prototype costs from the customer then bank some profit.
Companies invest in R&D once they've researched the market and determine what, if any, demand there is for said product(s) and price accordingly. The way you worded it makes it sound as if the first customers pay an inflated price to cover the R&D costs.
#102
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: CT
Posts: 435
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
1 Post
03 Lexus IS300 (old faithful) / 91 3000GT VR-4 / 14 CLA45 AMG / 11 BMW X6M
So judging by this mindset Apple must've sold the first iPhones for seven figures a piece till they recovered their R&D costs I'm sorry but I don't buy that (pun intended).
Companies invest in R&D once they've researched the market and determine what, if any, demand there is for said product(s) and price accordingly. The way you worded it makes it sound as if the first customers pay an inflated price to cover the R&D costs.
Companies invest in R&D once they've researched the market and determine what, if any, demand there is for said product(s) and price accordingly. The way you worded it makes it sound as if the first customers pay an inflated price to cover the R&D costs.
BTW - With the Wiestec DP you can hear the turbo pretty nice on a cold warm up. Love it
#108
Super Member
It's oxygen sensor "defowlers" as they call them. All it does it essentially pushes the oxygen sensor out of the direct airflow path thereby altering the reading to read less emissions. It's a old school trick to a new school problem. Although it is a bit of a bandaid solution, it does seem to work well most of the time
#112
Senior Member
Brabus has access to it, well they don't really have to crack it because they work closely with the AMG division, actually i know of 2 techs that went from them to work for AMG's RS teams. Little secret is that in some cars the maps comes preloaded and you can enable them at the dealership with STAR.
I agree. Apparently there's really only one company that has is open, which is GAD Motors, and they're not sharing with anyone. Probably to try and corner the market right now. But anyone who would spend close to 4 grand on an ECU tune (which is what they charge) and think it's a good idea is possessed.
Until one of the local guys cracks it, all we can do is wait or do a piggyback. :/
Until one of the local guys cracks it, all we can do is wait or do a piggyback. :/
#114
Does not take much to understand that decatting (making an empy tube) increases power in the top end RPM range. What I struggle to understand is why in 2015 whith all the tecnology available it is so expensive to buy an empty tube wich in my opinion should not cost more than 500$. This is easy tuning , allowing the car to cause huge pollution and gain power. Ecu remapping or module, should cost 300 to 500$ and it is just about playing on factory redundancy tolerances and ecology settings. For the A45 you can find such upgrades (pretty much all the same) from 4500$ Brabus to 1000 and even less. But when it comes to make serious parts like camshafts , liquid cooled intercoolers (not just adding a radiator with 1L coolant wich is useless), turbos most of the car tuners desappear or have to wait that garrett or someone else manufactures a turbocharger that they can re-label with their name and sell for twice the price. Then they come to you and say: Hey we have developped our stage 1-2-3 3&1/2. There is not real engineering behind it, just applying fool prices to things that are easy game and are pretty much the same from the fiat 500 to the AMG.
By the way the new M133 2016 series engine has new camshafts 20hp gain and still same turbo pressure, still catalyzed, still EURO 6 compliant. Also 400HP S version coming , that is evolution and research!
By the way the new M133 2016 series engine has new camshafts 20hp gain and still same turbo pressure, still catalyzed, still EURO 6 compliant. Also 400HP S version coming , that is evolution and research!
#115
Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lake Forest, IL
Posts: 124
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
08 CLK63 Black Series, 11 ZR1, 13 M6, 15 G63
Does not take much to understand that decatting (making an empy tube) increases power in the top end RPM range. What I struggle to understand is why in 2015 whith all the tecnology available it is so expensive to buy an empty tube wich in my opinion should not cost more than 500$. This is easy tuning , allowing the car to cause huge pollution and gain power. Ecu remapping or module, should cost 300 to 500$ and it is just about playing on factory redundancy tolerances and ecology settings. For the A45 you can find such upgrades (pretty much all the same) from 4500$ Brabus to 1000 and even less. But when it comes to make serious parts like camshafts , liquid cooled intercoolers (not just adding a radiator with 1L coolant wich is useless), turbos most of the car tuners desappear or have to wait that garrett or someone else manufactures a turbocharger that they can re-label with their name and sell for twice the price. Then they come to you and say: Hey we have developped our stage 1-2-3 3&1/2. There is not real engineering behind it, just applying fool prices to things that are easy game and are pretty much the same from the fiat 500 to the AMG.
By the way the new M133 2016 series engine has new camshafts 20hp gain and still same turbo pressure, still catalyzed, still EURO 6 compliant. Also 400HP S version coming , that is evolution and research!
By the way the new M133 2016 series engine has new camshafts 20hp gain and still same turbo pressure, still catalyzed, still EURO 6 compliant. Also 400HP S version coming , that is evolution and research!
I think you might be at home over on the Mustang Forums, here is a link http://mustangforums.com/forum/
#116
MBWorld Fanatic!
deleted by moderator
Last edited by amdeutsch; 07-27-2015 at 07:37 PM.
#117
I did not want to talk negativly about weistec, mine was general talking about tuners and prices not being justifyed. Now the a45 is just a turboback easy making downpipe and costs quite a lot. How much should I pay then for a full exhaust on a porsche Boxer engine where you have to manufactore all the manifold fittings and it is a lot more complicated? 15000-20000$? How much more work would be needed to manufacture something like this?
Where is the desining of getting a mercedes exhaust, making it the same without cat?
Whe are not all stupid car owners full of mooney who don't care to throw them away.
Where is the desining of getting a mercedes exhaust, making it the same without cat?
Whe are not all stupid car owners full of mooney who don't care to throw them away.