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Old 04-11-2005 | 12:03 PM
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Smile Anyone interested in a 37" sharp LCD

I have a 37" sharp aquos LCD model number LC-37GD6U. Its practically in new condition. This unit has the slot so you can insert your cable cad directly into the TV. The sharp aquos is often called the best TV on earth. Best offer takes the unit. It retailed for $5499.99 plus tax. This can only be a local pickup in NY though. Im not willing to ship since most couriers have a bad flat panel TV policy.

Currently I have both the sharp 37" and the 42" Philips ambilight. One of my TV's has to go.

Local pickup or drop off only.. no shipping. Sorry




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Sharp’s LC-37GD6U AQUOS™ is a state-of-the-art 37" widescreen1 HDTV that can easily enhance the decor of any family room, living room or den. With a 16:9 aspect ratio, HDTV resolution of 1366 x 768 and breathtaking color purity, it is a next-generation TV to carry you into the high-definition future. The LC-37GD6U utilizes Sharp’s proprietary Advanced Super View/Black TFT Panel, which provides high levels of brightness (450 cd/m2), an 800:1 contrast ratio, and wide viewing angles (170º x 170º). The LC-37GD6U also includes a built-in HDTV tuner with full cable card "Plug and Play" capability and features an elegant new titanium design with detachable speakers to ensure the sound is as outstanding as the picture. In addition, the included table stand can be easily removed for wall mounting applications.
Other features that distinguish the LC-37GD6U include: HDMI, DVI-I and 2 HD component video inputs; a PC Card slot which allows you to record and view still images and video on a PC Card; and Sharp’s proprietary Quick Shoot video circuit, which enables a fast response time of less than 16 ms.

36 7/64" x 27 27/32" x 12 5/64"
(with table stand and speakers)
36 7/64" x 27 27/32" x 12 5/64"
(with table stand and without speakers)
36 7/64" x 25 1/2" x 4"
(without table stand and with speakers)
36 7/64" x 21 37/64" x 4"
(without table stand and without speakers)
Old 04-12-2005 | 05:49 PM
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Old 04-12-2005 | 05:54 PM
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Visualapex.com sells high-end 50" Pioneer and Panasonic plasma's for under $4K
Old 04-12-2005 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Banville
Visualapex.com sells high-end 50" Pioneer and Panasonic plasma's for under $4K
Can't begin to compare a plasma and an LCD...don't be fooled into a cheap Plasma.

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Old 04-12-2005 | 09:32 PM
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Can't begin to compare a plasma and an LCD...don't be fooled into a cheap Plasma.

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Oh pleeeeezzzzz! The blacks on either of these plasma's will KILL any LCD! LCD's can only go dark gray. Fast motion is much blurrier on current LCD's vs. plasma's, and you have a MUCH bigger chance of having dead pixels on an LCD! And these aren't "cheap" plasma's, at least as far as quality. Did you even look at them? Regarding the Panasonic, the professional reviewer at cnet.com said, "Dollar for dollar, this is the best-performing 50-inch plasma on the market". They gave it an 8 out of a possible 10. The readers gave it a 9! A professional in the video biz will tell you that even as old as CRT technology is, it still can't be beaten for sheer image quality. And plasma is as close as you can get to CRT. You may want to brush up on your tech-savvy by chatting with some of the videophiles at avsforum.com

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Old 04-13-2005 | 05:28 AM
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Oh pleeeeezzzzz! The blacks on either of these plasma's will KILL any LCD! LCD's can only go dark gray. Fast motion is much blurrier on current LCD's vs. plasma's, and you have a MUCH bigger chance of having dead pixels on an LCD! And these aren't "cheap" plasma's, at least as far as quality. Did you even look at them? Regarding the Panasonic, the professional reviewer at cnet.com said, "Dollar for dollar, this is the best-performing 50-inch plasma on the market". They gave it an 8 out of a possible 10. The readers gave it a 9! A professional in the video biz will tell you that even as old as CRT technology is, it still can't be beaten for sheer image quality. And plasma is as close as you can get to CRT. You may want to brush up on your tech-savvy by chatting with some of the videophiles at avsforum.com
Ok, so if LCDs are so much worse then plasma, which they aren't, why are Plasmas so cheap? 50" Plasma for $4K is cheap...26" LCDs (decent ones) are going for $1,500-2000 easily. Plasmas were always junk and always will be...they were released because LCDs were and still are more expensive...when LCD prices fall, plasmas will be gone.

No need to brush up on anything...every tech mag will say go LCD if you got the $.

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Old 04-13-2005 | 05:40 AM
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Plasma and junk don't go together...

Whether you like Plasma or not, I don't see how Plasmas become junk in your opinion.

I have both, a panasonic plasma as well as a panasonic LCD. I like both TVs but I would rather watch my plasma over the LCD any day....

As far as prices go, the only way you get a new 50" panasonic plasma for 4K is if it is not HD compatible (only ED capable). If you have seen Plasma picture and found it to be "junk" vs LCD, maybe you were looking at ED on Plasma vs HD on LCD (which would not be a fair comparison). When I watch a Hidef broadcast on my Plasma, I have a difficult time imagining how much better can a TV get....

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Old 04-13-2005 | 09:18 AM
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the only way you get a new 50" panasonic plasma for 4K is if it is not HD compatible (only ED capable).

Why not look at the website and you'll see it is HD, not ED! It is a monitor only, no built-in speakers, but the speakers in these types of units usually suck anyway. You'll pay about $6K for the consumer version of it in retail stores.

Here's a quote from a "high-end" video reviewer at UltimateAV (sister publication of Stereophile)...
"Even with its high black levels and lack of adjustable white-balance controls, the Aquos LC-45GX6U made better pictures than any other LCD TV I've seen. Its picture quality didn't measure up to what I've seen from the best plasma monitors and TVs, but it was a quantum leap beyond the LCDs of just a few years ago. LCD is catching up to plasma."

Tifosiv, price has NOTHING to do with superiority. Plasma's are cheaper because they have been made in large sizes longer than LCD's. The ONLY real benefit LCD has is zero chance of burn-in, but newer plasma's are very resistant to this now anyway, especially if they are properly calibrated. My NUMBER 1 CONCERN is image QUALITY! The facts are that there IS fast motion blur on current LCD, it is RARE to get an LCD with 100% good pixels and NO LCD can match the blacks produced by current high-end plasma's, like the $4000 Panasonic I mentioned previoiusly. Watch a dark movie in a darkened room and you'll see what I mean. It really is aweful! Hey, I have nothing personal against LCD's. If the manufacturers can fix these problems w/ LCD and match plasma's prices in the 50" size, I'll look more seriously at them. Oh yeah, another inherint flaw in LCD's is something the folks over at avsforum.com have coined "scan-line artifact" or "peek-a-boo scanlines". I first discovered it on my Sanyo PLV-Z1 overhead LCD projector. I was watching movies on my 8 ft. wide screen when I noticed that objects that moved vertically in the picture area developed thin horizontal black lines over the object. The lines disappeared when the object stopped moving, and it didn't affect the entire picture, only the vertically movie objects. Lots of people have seen this flaw on their LCD projector and some people claimed they could make adjustments in the service menu to fix the flaw. Others said it was part of LCD technology and couldn't be fixed because after they "fixed" it, it eventually came back. I sent my unit back to Sanyo for them to fix it and to replace the LCD panels due to some dead pixels. They claimed to not see the lines and the replacement LCD panels had dead pixels, but in different spots

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Old 04-13-2005 | 10:51 AM
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It is HD but...

The reason you are getting that tv for 4K is because it is an older model. The current panasonic 50' is called TH-50PX something or the other. The panasonic 50PHD line is 2 years old. I bought my 42PHD in May 2003. The current 50" panasonic is between 5 and 6 K. Visualapex.com does not seem to even stock the current model.
Old 04-13-2005 | 11:13 AM
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Tifvosiv122,

You are stating that LCD TV's are better than Plasma TV's? Are you serious?
Old 04-13-2005 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by guru
The reason you are getting that tv for 4K is because it is an older model. The current panasonic 50' is called TH-50PX something or the other. The panasonic 50PHD line is 2 years old. I bought my 42PHD in May 2003. The current 50" panasonic is between 5 and 6 K. Visualapex.com does not seem to even stock the current model.

Guru, I'm seriously beginning to question your knowledge on this subject! The Panasonic model they are selling IS current. The PX model you are referring to is a consumer model. The Panasonic visualapex.com is selling is a business/commercial unit. The difference is that the commercial unit is a "monitor", which means it has no tuner or speakers, but it actually gives more control over tweaking the picture to near perfection than the consumer model. Feel free to explore Panasonic's website if you don't believe me MSRP on the 50" commercial/business Panasonic plasma is $6500!


PS- I just checked the visualapex.com website again and they lowered the price on that Panny another $150! Supposedly the consumer model's MSRP will be dropping soon, so they lowered the commercial/business version's price first.

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Old 04-14-2005 | 10:33 AM
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Been out injured for a while guys.. Let me add my .02 since I own both a LCD and plasma. I personally have a sharp 37" (LC-37GD6U) and Philips 42" (42Pf9976). I like the plasma better since its a ambilight model. Plasmas have a low life span. From what Ive been reading they stop working after some 30,000hrs. This has me a bit worried since I paid good money for this TV back in Aug. 04. The sharp on the other hand is often referred to as the "best TV on the market." The picture doesnt look as sharp, no pun intended, as the plasma. Honestly i really dont even think im a good judge when it comes to this.

I personally wouldnt go with a commercial/business unit since the speakers most likely dont even exist. Also the picture for some reason doesnt seem clear. Everyone has opinions about Tv's. Im no professional. I suggest you spend your money wisely. Think also about the future.
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take a look at this comparison. Its from the sharp website. Its compares plasma vs. LCD


http://www.sharpusa.com/products/lcd...,2340,,00.html


what do you think?
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That website isn't bias or anything....
Old 04-14-2005 | 01:17 PM
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Plasmas have a low life span. From what Ive been reading they stop working after some 30,000hrs. ... I personally wouldnt go with a commercial/business unit since the speakers most likely dont even exist.
As far as lifespen, estimated "half brightness" on current plasma's is like 60K hours, not 30K, which is a LONG time under normal viewing conditions. Even if the TV only lasted 30K hours, do you realize that would be 8 hours a day, for 10 years!!!! Did you know that the CRT based TV's we've all been living with all these years have a similar lifespan? Did that ever worry you?

As far as the not having speakers on the commercial unit, many people buying this high-end plasma are using it in a "home theater" setup and listen via their surround system.

And I wouldn't put a lot of faith in a "comparison" written by Sharp, who has a LOT to gain by making LCD's seem superior.

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Old 04-14-2005 | 02:31 PM
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Guru, I'm seriously beginning to question your knowledge on this subject! The Panasonic model they are selling IS current.
Hell, I am beginning to question my knowledge on this subject too.... I bought the plasma 2 yrs ago and it is stunning what has happened to prices....
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Originally Posted by guru
Hell, I am beginning to question my knowledge on this subject too.... I bought the plasma 2 yrs ago and it is stunning what has happened to prices....

That's the price you pay (no pun intended) for being an early adopter
But without you people spending the big bucks and moving these units, we wouldn't be seeing these dropping prices, so more power to you
I'm still watching a 6 year old 53" 4x3 aspect SONY HD-ready RPTV that cost me $2800.
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Jim makes a good point. 30,000 hours would be ALOT of TV watching.

So am I safe to assume that $1100 42" plasma model on sale in one of the big box retailers would be a decent choice? I saw an ad for this just recently. For that kind of money, 10 years of life doesn't seem like such a negative.
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Jim makes a good point. 30,000 hours would be ALOT of TV watching.

So am I safe to assume that $1100 42" plasma model on sale in one of the big box retailers would be a decent choice? I saw an ad for this just recently. For that kind of money, 10 years of life doesn't seem like such a negative.
You really need to search to see if anyone has opinions on the model TV you're looking at over at avsforum.com in the "plasma/LCD flatpanel forum".
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Well 30k hours might not be that long for me since I often leave my philips on when im not home. I usually leave the music channel on with the ambilight and turn of the picture. Does that matter at all. I can run through alot of hours per week. I know I shouldnt leave it on but heck it relaxes me. I will post a pic later on tonight when I get home.
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I think it is this model:

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Old 04-14-2005 | 05:48 PM
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ewww

no offense but that units sucks. Why buy flat panel if you cant get HD. Its only EDTV and at best offers DVI, which is good but not better than HDMI. Plus Ive never heard good things about the name brand. Who is buying this model. I can suggest 4 models better. Gotta run. Talk more when I get home.

Why dont we just move this thread to off-topic.
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Originally Posted by smoothnyc
no offense but that units sucks. Why buy flat panel if you cant get HD. Its only EDTV and at best offers DVI, which is good but not better than HDMI. Plus Ive never heard good things about the name brand. Who is buying this model. I can suggest 4 models better. Gotta run. Talk more when I get home.

Why dont we just move this thread to off-topic.
None taken. Since I have no clue what the differences are, I look to you guys for advice.
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Why buy flat panel if you cant get HD.

A lot of actual HD plasma owners admit that from over 8 ft. or so, they don't see a big difference between many HD and ED plasmas.
Old 04-15-2005 | 12:36 AM
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I beg to differ. There is a difference if you ask me, and Im just a joe shmoe. A good sports game or channel on INHD, you will be able to see the difference.

btw here is the pics I promised. I took 3 different ambilight settings. The unit has 7 choices in total.




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