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You 320 dudes out there: I took pics of the underside of my car today and forwarded them to Mel. Looking at mine and comparing them to his, it looks like his pipes will bolt right on but I will leave that to him to make the call. Another question about your pipes: would a 100 cell cat be adequate w/regard to O2 sensing and would flow rate increase enough to make a difference?
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You 320 dudes out there: I took pics of the underside of my car today and forwarded them to Mel. Looking at mine and comparing them to his, it looks like his pipes will bolt right on but I will leave that to him to make the call. Another question about your pipes: would a 100 cell cat be adequate w/regard to O2 sensing and would flow rate increase enough to make a difference?
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These W208s are getting lower and lower in price by the day so its going to be harder & harder for people to justify spending a higher % of their cars worth, just trying to help you out (don't take it personal), if you price it too high nobody will buy it (pretty obvious).
Also, clamp designs usually leak / fail over time (which sounds pretty bad) so its better to make sure the entire unit is welded from flange to flange. Obviously you can't ship it pre-welded b/c it would be massive so, you may be better off selling the pipes pre-sleeved so that it can be shipped in a small box then welded at the joints by the installer on the consumers end, that could drop your costs significantly, as well as the final MSRP.
hope that helps
Also, clamp designs usually leak / fail over time (which sounds pretty bad) so its better to make sure the entire unit is welded from flange to flange. Obviously you can't ship it pre-welded b/c it would be massive so, you may be better off selling the pipes pre-sleeved so that it can be shipped in a small box then welded at the joints by the installer on the consumers end, that could drop your costs significantly, as well as the final MSRP.
hope that helps
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You 320 dudes out there: I took pics of the underside of my car today and forwarded them to Mel. Looking at mine and comparing them to his, it looks like his pipes will bolt right on but I will leave that to him to make the call. Another question about your pipes: would a 100 cell cat be adequate w/regard to O2 sensing and would flow rate increase enough to make a difference?
Thanks for being able to send him the pictures
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"Nihon"Actually half of it will be an underwater tunnel. They did one stretching from Kanagawa to Chiba but the tolls for that is $50 one-way.
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These W208s are getting lower and lower in price by the day so its going to be harder & harder for people to justify spending a higher % of their cars worth, just trying to help you out (don't take it personal), if you price it too high nobody will buy it (pretty obvious).
Also, clamp designs usually leak / fail over time (which sounds pretty bad) so its better to make sure the entire unit is welded from flange to flange. Obviously you can't ship it pre-welded b/c it would be massive so, you may be better off selling the pipes pre-sleeved so that it can be shipped in a small box then welded at the joints by the installer on the consumers end, that could drop your costs significantly, as well as the final MSRP.
hope that helps
Also, clamp designs usually leak / fail over time (which sounds pretty bad) so its better to make sure the entire unit is welded from flange to flange. Obviously you can't ship it pre-welded b/c it would be massive so, you may be better off selling the pipes pre-sleeved so that it can be shipped in a small box then welded at the joints by the installer on the consumers end, that could drop your costs significantly, as well as the final MSRP.
hope that helps
With them being cheaper now, wouldn't that attract younger buyers and that's exactly what younger buyers want - an unmodified car. I mean, anyone can make a pretty part that doesn't work right (just trying to help you out, don't take it personal).
To be sure that we are clear, this part is a p-r-o-t-o-t-y-p-e. This means it was made for research purposes only, and not for sale. Now, when it is available for sale, we will get a better handle on the actual cost to produce.
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No, you misunderstood again. As the prices of the cars come down the prices of the modifications must come down with them as well. Cars will always be modded no matter how cheap (Look at LeMons). Lending a helping hand that's all, take it as positive constructive criticism.
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No, you misunderstood again. As the prices of the cars come down the prices of the modifications must come down with them as well. Cars will always be modded no matter how cheap (Look at LeMons). Lending a helping hand that's all, take it as positive constructive criticism.
You are putting the cart before the horse. This product is in testing phase not production phase.
Further more his price is still $300-400 cheaper than Kleeman which requires mods where as this will be a direct bolt on application.
If you want to aruge that Kleeman is more expensive because of it being Branded then from a customer stand point Ghosts is cheaper, servers the same function without additional mods i.e. direct bolt on application, no other choices in the market to choose from for the V6s because everyone said it is not worth it e.g. Super Sprint, VRP (I think), a few others. Also you can't argue with his prices because it is his business and he determines that just as you do with your prices. Demand can also determine price but right now there is no big demand and not many people doing major mods to the V6. The only other option in stead of you giving him advice on how to run his business is for you to make headers for the V6 and sell it for a cheaper price to prove your point.
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No, you misunderstood again. As the prices of the cars come down the prices of the modifications must come down with them as well. Cars will always be modded no matter how cheap (Look at LeMons). Lending a helping hand that's all, take it as positive constructive criticism.
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He is making a prototype. He has not made a V6 header but a few of us are willing to be guinea pigs.
You are putting the cart before the horse. This product is in testing phase not production phase.
Further more his price is still $300-400 cheaper than Kleeman which requires mods where as this will be a direct bolt on application.
If you want to aruge that Kleeman is more expensive because of it being Branded then from a customer stand point Ghosts is cheaper, servers the same function without additional mods i.e. direct bolt on application, no other choices in the market to choose from for the V6s because everyone said it is not worth it e.g. Super Sprint, VRP (I think), a few others. Also you can't argue with his prices because it is his business and he determines that just as you do with your prices. Demand can also determine price but right now there is no big demand and not many people doing major mods to the V6. The only other option in stead of you giving him advice on how to run his business is for you to make headers for the V6 and sell it for a cheaper price to prove your point.
You are putting the cart before the horse. This product is in testing phase not production phase.
Further more his price is still $300-400 cheaper than Kleeman which requires mods where as this will be a direct bolt on application.
If you want to aruge that Kleeman is more expensive because of it being Branded then from a customer stand point Ghosts is cheaper, servers the same function without additional mods i.e. direct bolt on application, no other choices in the market to choose from for the V6s because everyone said it is not worth it e.g. Super Sprint, VRP (I think), a few others. Also you can't argue with his prices because it is his business and he determines that just as you do with your prices. Demand can also determine price but right now there is no big demand and not many people doing major mods to the V6. The only other option in stead of you giving him advice on how to run his business is for you to make headers for the V6 and sell it for a cheaper price to prove your point.
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He comes of as Mr Almighty and talking down to people and it is pissing me off he keeps suggesting that you have came to him for advice. WTF I remember that past argument which he could not prove. All your past information about these headers was credit to EVOSport.
I still need a price quote for the full system.
I'm looking at March 5th to send you payment but first come first serve.
Right now you have first dibs on my March 5th paycheck. lol
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Yes well this was information more for the readers so they can understand the history behind doing this type of mod and for them to clearly understand his lack of understanding
He comes of as Mr Almighty and talking down to people and it is pissing me off he keeps suggesting that you have came to him for advice. WTF I remember that past argument which he could not prove. All your past information about these headers was credit to EVOSport.
I still need a price quote for the full system.
I'm looking at March 5th to send you payment but first come first serve.
Right now you have first dibs on my March 5th paycheck. lol
He comes of as Mr Almighty and talking down to people and it is pissing me off he keeps suggesting that you have came to him for advice. WTF I remember that past argument which he could not prove. All your past information about these headers was credit to EVOSport.
I still need a price quote for the full system.
I'm looking at March 5th to send you payment but first come first serve.
Right now you have first dibs on my March 5th paycheck. lol
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