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yes you are absolutly correct about the oil pan. i will take you up on that offer for help. I'm trying to decided if its worthed to have the intake manifold ported and polished. my main concern is that i want power but i want the car to be a smooth daily driver. any ideas would be appreciated.
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few updates. I painted the valve covers and the top of the intake manifold in wrinkled satin black, cleaned all the injectors and cleaned and polished the fuel rail. enjoy the pics.
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HI Ash,
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
Last edited by Pauljay; Jul 27, 2012 at 07:30 AM.
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yes you are absolutly correct about the oil pan. i will take you up on that offer for help. I'm trying to decided if its worthed to have the intake manifold ported and polished. my main concern is that i want power but i want the car to be a smooth daily driver. any ideas would be appreciated.
HI Ash,
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
When you delete the egr you will get a cel
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HI Ash,
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
I was going to port and polish my intake manifold but after doing some research found that it isn't as simple as it seems.
Below is an extract of a Guy asking how much to do the job....
"I believe shardul has a connection for 2.5-3K dep on what you get done.
Mine were in that ballpark range through MW back when I was dealing with them.
The price sounds high, but it's not as simple as local porting guy guessing on where to remove material...... I hear Shardul's heads have some serious r/d behind them..... flowbench etc..... so you know what your are getting."
Interesting Huh!
I ended up doing an EGR delete.
It keeps the maifold clean and no more hot exhaust gas going inside too!
Ps, how filled with gunk was your mani? Mine was very dirty, I would be suprised if it worked effficiently!
If it were my car I wouldn't mess with intake manifold. Hey some Kleemann headers and install before you put engine in instead because its a pain to install in the car. Then save up for a used Kleemann SC
I did some more research and your right it's not worthed, I was looking at these headers on eBay from top speed they are $400 but not sure about performance results but tey look very well made, also Keenan doesn't carry anymore headers for the 208. Now here is question for you what do you recommend to do, delete the secondary cats and make them removable and reinstall able for smog purposes(install flanges and gaskets so I can pop them on every other year for smog) or go with race cats? Keep in mind mine is a daily driver. Also if I do delete the secondary ats should I do an X pipe or just straight?
You are talking about heads, that's different than intake manifold. Plus you can get better port and polished heads for less money.
When you delete the egr you will get a cel
I did some more research and your right it's not worthed, I was looking at these headers on eBay from top speed they are $400 but not sure about performance results but tey look very well made, also Keenan doesn't carry anymore headers for the 208. Now here is question for you what do you recommend to do, delete the secondary cats and make them removable and reinstall able for smog purposes(install flanges and gaskets so I can pop them on every other year for smog) or go with race cats? Keep in mind mine is a daily driver. Also if I do delete the secondary ats should I do an X pipe or just straight?
You are talking about heads, that's different than intake manifold. Plus you can get better port and polished heads for less money.
When you delete the egr you will get a cel
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Hi Blackbenzz,
Yes, sorry my extract posted was about heads, I missed out the bit about the mani!
The Guy talking was getting both done.
Ash,
You're right about my ECU coding being different, I don't get any of the codes you Guys seem to have.
Have you thought about Phelonic spacers? I looked over here but was impatient as I couldn't get them and wanted my car back on the road so didn't order them abroad.
Also I think you should delete primary cats and put secondary cats in for the smog test. Race cats won't pass so it's best to be safe unless you know someone.
You've a true dual exhaust so I would go with an X-pipe, res delete and 3in from 2nd cats.
Yes, sorry my extract posted was about heads, I missed out the bit about the mani!
The Guy talking was getting both done.
Ash,
You're right about my ECU coding being different, I don't get any of the codes you Guys seem to have.
Have you thought about Phelonic spacers? I looked over here but was impatient as I couldn't get them and wanted my car back on the road so didn't order them abroad.
Also I think you should delete primary cats and put secondary cats in for the smog test. Race cats won't pass so it's best to be safe unless you know someone.
You've a true dual exhaust so I would go with an X-pipe, res delete and 3in from 2nd cats.
Last edited by Pauljay; Jul 28, 2012 at 05:28 AM.
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Hi Blackbenzz,
Yes, sorry my extract posted was about heads, I missed out the bit about the mani!
The Guy talking was getting both done.
Ash,
You're right about my ECU coding being different, I don't get any of the codes you Guys seem to have.
Have you thought about Phelonic spacers? I looked over here but was impatient as I couldn't get them and wanted my car back on the road so didn't order them abroad.
Also I think you should delete primary cats and put secondary cats in for the smog test. Race cats won't pass so it's best to be safe unless you know someone.
You've a true dual exhaust so I would go with an X-pipe, res delete and 3in from 2nd cats.
Yes, sorry my extract posted was about heads, I missed out the bit about the mani!
The Guy talking was getting both done.
Ash,
You're right about my ECU coding being different, I don't get any of the codes you Guys seem to have.
Have you thought about Phelonic spacers? I looked over here but was impatient as I couldn't get them and wanted my car back on the road so didn't order them abroad.
Also I think you should delete primary cats and put secondary cats in for the smog test. Race cats won't pass so it's best to be safe unless you know someone.
You've a true dual exhaust so I would go with an X-pipe, res delete and 3in from 2nd cats.
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You're right in losing some back pressure with a 3in exhaust but the loss will help you in the high end. Also installing an X-pipe will give you some of that low end loss back.
Depending on tyres is how well you get off the line.
I have a set up which runs 2.5in from headers to 2nd race cats (primary cat delete), 2.5in gradual Y-pipe exiting to 3in, then 3in to outlet of twin custom back box. I've lost some low down torque but gained in mid and upper revs. I can still spin the tyres from a stop (285/30/19) and she's plenty fast even though I still need a tune.
Depending on tyres is how well you get off the line.
I have a set up which runs 2.5in from headers to 2nd race cats (primary cat delete), 2.5in gradual Y-pipe exiting to 3in, then 3in to outlet of twin custom back box. I've lost some low down torque but gained in mid and upper revs. I can still spin the tyres from a stop (285/30/19) and she's plenty fast even though I still need a tune.
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Yes. Back pressure gives you torque.
Less gives mores power, but too much and you won't have enough.
Our engines need torque to get our heavy cars moving and power to speed up and maintain acceleration.
Exhausts are very complicated to get your system tuned right. If the exhaust diameter is smaller that would create back pressure also, the same way going larger will lose it. It's all about the flow rate of gas, how hot it gets and pressure waves.
Less gives mores power, but too much and you won't have enough.
Our engines need torque to get our heavy cars moving and power to speed up and maintain acceleration.
Exhausts are very complicated to get your system tuned right. If the exhaust diameter is smaller that would create back pressure also, the same way going larger will lose it. It's all about the flow rate of gas, how hot it gets and pressure waves.
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been very busy with work but here is a few updates. the engine is fully put back together with all new seals, plugs, wires, coils, vaccum and coolant hoses, water pump, egr, shut off valves cleaned up, gaskets, altenator, powers teering pump and resevor and tones of other stuff and valve covers powder coated and intake manifold painted. next step is to install the EVO sport UD pullies and drop the engine in.
Custom gutted and piped C63 air boxes
Custom gutted and piped C63 air boxes
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Im diggin on the air box. That should set off your paint work nicely and help with the heat transfer and breathing. Looking forward to how all that comes together and what fab work you do to make it clean 
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Thanks Bobby, I'm having it painted orange as we speak so i'll post pics once its done.
received a few goodies such as the new fuel pump and fuel filter and some other hoses and clamps.
also got the evo sport UD pullies thanks to Jose at evo sport and will be picking up their short tubes once its in stock in a few weeks.
received a few goodies such as the new fuel pump and fuel filter and some other hoses and clamps.
also got the evo sport UD pullies thanks to Jose at evo sport and will be picking up their short tubes once its in stock in a few weeks.
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Ash what's the significance with the '63 air box? I had good results with your CAI how come you're not using your one? Are you building a 'Needs Wings' type dual filter?
Good work on the motor, it looks great. Throw some of Evosports Phelonic Spacers on there while the motors still out!
Good work on the motor, it looks great. Throw some of Evosports Phelonic Spacers on there while the motors still out!
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Ash what's the significance with the '63 air box? I had good results with your CAI how come you're not using your one? Are you building a 'Needs Wings' type dual filter?
Good work on the motor, it looks great. Throw some of Evosports Phelonic Spacers on there while the motors still out!
Good work on the motor, it looks great. Throw some of Evosports Phelonic Spacers on there while the motors still out!
P.S. I'm headed to UK next July for 1.5 week for holiday, Ill give you the details via e-mail.
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ASH!!!! i saw your car at Santana Row last night but i forgot my phone at home, i hung around to see if you would come back but it was a bit early around 930 when i was heading out so figured you werent leaving anytime soon. You car looks great btw
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Ash, I don't have the spacers yet but will get some. I haven't heard/read anything about leaks so I don't think you're going to get problems there.
The spacers don't offer anymore power but will keep your car running stronger for longer (they're supposed to lower temps a good deal) 55 motors in the CLK suffer a lot from heat soak.
It'll be great to catch up with you and meet you in person! Give me your details nearer the time and it'll definately happen.
How's it going with the retro paddle shift? That's definately something I'd do.
Your new air set-up should net good results. Keep up the good work!
The spacers don't offer anymore power but will keep your car running stronger for longer (they're supposed to lower temps a good deal) 55 motors in the CLK suffer a lot from heat soak.
It'll be great to catch up with you and meet you in person! Give me your details nearer the time and it'll definately happen.
How's it going with the retro paddle shift? That's definately something I'd do.
Your new air set-up should net good results. Keep up the good work!
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Ash, I don't have the spacers yet but will get some. I haven't heard/read anything about leaks so I don't think you're going to get problems there.
The spacers don't offer anymore power but will keep your car running stronger for longer (they're supposed to lower temps a good deal) 55 motors in the CLK suffer a lot from heat soak.
It'll be great to catch up with you and meet you in person! Give me your details nearer the time and it'll definately happen.
How's it going with the retro paddle shift? That's definately something I'd do.
Your new air set-up should net good results. Keep up the good work!
The spacers don't offer anymore power but will keep your car running stronger for longer (they're supposed to lower temps a good deal) 55 motors in the CLK suffer a lot from heat soak.
It'll be great to catch up with you and meet you in person! Give me your details nearer the time and it'll definately happen.
How's it going with the retro paddle shift? That's definately something I'd do.
Your new air set-up should net good results. Keep up the good work!
The Paddle shift retro is done, I'll send you an email with the details, I just have to buy a module which is very cheap and maybe if we both get it at the same time we can get a a good discount. The company is in California near me so I can get them and ship it to you straight.
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He Paul I forgot to ask in the last post, the spacers will raise te intake manifold by about 1/4", now that means that the injectors are also raised by 1/4", wouldnt that mess with their spray distance or pattern, because they are sitting as deep as they can possibly go on the manifold already and there is no room to push them down further. So I'm concerned with rough idle and everything and mainly reliability because my car is my daily driver and I take long distance tips in it and I need it to be reliable.
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Ash,
I think the ECU should compensate for the fuelling and air. I have read a little on the spacers and no-one has mentioned rough idle or mis-fires. Ask Evosport when you get them. One thing no-one has done is a dyno with the results, for some reason it's always been done with other mods included.
Yeah, I'm up for lowering the costs, email me when you're ready.
Yeah you're right on the football, I don't follow it much lately and I never was a Chelsea fan! Man U are Ok, Liverpool was my team. Nowadays I follow motor sports.
The Olympics have gone well so far, I haven't been affected (I live outside of London). Congrats to the States for topping the medals haul!
I think the ECU should compensate for the fuelling and air. I have read a little on the spacers and no-one has mentioned rough idle or mis-fires. Ask Evosport when you get them. One thing no-one has done is a dyno with the results, for some reason it's always been done with other mods included.
Yeah, I'm up for lowering the costs, email me when you're ready.
Yeah you're right on the football, I don't follow it much lately and I never was a Chelsea fan! Man U are Ok, Liverpool was my team. Nowadays I follow motor sports.
The Olympics have gone well so far, I haven't been affected (I live outside of London). Congrats to the States for topping the medals haul!
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He Paul I forgot to ask in the last post, the spacers will raise te intake manifold by about 1/4", now that means that the injectors are also raised by 1/4", wouldnt that mess with their spray distance or pattern, because they are sitting as deep as they can possibly go on the manifold already and there is no room to push them down further. So I'm concerned with rough idle and everything and mainly reliability because my car is my daily driver and I take long distance tips in it and I need it to be reliable.
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To Paul:
I forgot to mention Liverpool, but to be honest I've been only following Manchester Red. I'll email you about te paddle hitter and the spacers maybe we can work out a deal with them if we buy at the same time.
Bobby & Paul:
My concern about the spacers are that te injectors will be lifted 1/4" and will be shooting the gas further by tht 1/4", I don't know if that woul effect anything or not buy also another problem is that they don't supply the longer screws for the intake manifold to be installed to the block and I don't know if it's safe to use the same screws since it will be lifted 1/4".
I forgot to mention Liverpool, but to be honest I've been only following Manchester Red. I'll email you about te paddle hitter and the spacers maybe we can work out a deal with them if we buy at the same time.
Bobby & Paul:
My concern about the spacers are that te injectors will be lifted 1/4" and will be shooting the gas further by tht 1/4", I don't know if that woul effect anything or not buy also another problem is that they don't supply the longer screws for the intake manifold to be installed to the block and I don't know if it's safe to use the same screws since it will be lifted 1/4".
