Is the M272/M273 intake manifold air flap runner issue blown out of proportion?
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Is the M272/M273 intake manifold air flap runner issue blown out of proportion?
Hi! I am new to the forums as I am cross shopping the last year (2009) CLK350/550, as well as E350/550 coupes, and C300 coupes. From doing my research, I've noticed that there aren't anything (or so I thought) to look out for except for being sure that the transmission fluid is replaced every 40k miles like clockwork. It wasn't until last night, that I discovered, that there is a flaw with the material on a small part on the intake manifold that can break and reduced performance and check engine light. So, I have the following questions:
1. Like the title implies, has this issue (like. most other issues) been blown our of proportion?
2. I seem to hear about it more on models older than 2009. Is this issue more common on certain model years?
3. Have you experienced this issue? If so, how old was your car, and how many miles did your car have at the time of failure?
4. If you haven't had this issue, I'd also like to know how old your car is, and how many miles are on it.
5. There have been very few reports on the internet of the flaps on the inside of the intake manifold being broken from a combination of the air flap runner breaking and carbon buildup in the manifold. Has this happened to you? Should I have the indie clean the manifold for precautionary measures?
Basically, I want to know the likelihood that this issue will happen. So if I do buy a car, that has either of those engines, I can try to take out the price of repair (I think it's about $600) for an indie to replace the air flap runner with the metal one, as well as other precautionary messures, out of the purchase price of the car. Thanks in advance!
1. Like the title implies, has this issue (like. most other issues) been blown our of proportion?
2. I seem to hear about it more on models older than 2009. Is this issue more common on certain model years?
3. Have you experienced this issue? If so, how old was your car, and how many miles did your car have at the time of failure?
4. If you haven't had this issue, I'd also like to know how old your car is, and how many miles are on it.
5. There have been very few reports on the internet of the flaps on the inside of the intake manifold being broken from a combination of the air flap runner breaking and carbon buildup in the manifold. Has this happened to you? Should I have the indie clean the manifold for precautionary measures?
Basically, I want to know the likelihood that this issue will happen. So if I do buy a car, that has either of those engines, I can try to take out the price of repair (I think it's about $600) for an indie to replace the air flap runner with the metal one, as well as other precautionary messures, out of the purchase price of the car. Thanks in advance!
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Highly likely, extremely simple fix, this has not been blown out of proportion however it should not dissuade you from purchasing one of these cars. They are an amazing value for money. It is rare that the flaps in the manifold break, it is more common for the adjuster lever to break.
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Highly likely, extremely simple fix, this has not been blown out of proportion however it should not dissuade you from purchasing one of these cars. They are an amazing value for money. It is rare that the flaps in the manifold break, it is more common for the adjuster lever to break.
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Like the "balance shaft" issues of the MY2005-2007.5 engines M272/M273 engines, this is a known problem, but it does not even seem to appear as a blip on any of the car review publications (Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc.) My gut feeling is that I;ve heard of more balance shaft failures than intake manifold failures on these engines, but that;s by no means scientific.
One thing I will say about the failure, is that if it's just that external lever that cracks, it's a simple repair with the upgraded metal aftermarket part. However, if it's an internal flap that breaks, you need to replace the entire manifold. You don't want "debris" sucked into the engine damaging valves or pistons. You can get the OEM Pieburg manifold for well under $500.
One thing I will say about the failure, is that if it's just that external lever that cracks, it's a simple repair with the upgraded metal aftermarket part. However, if it's an internal flap that breaks, you need to replace the entire manifold. You don't want "debris" sucked into the engine damaging valves or pistons. You can get the OEM Pieburg manifold for well under $500.
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A similar issue, but that can be a larger PITA, is if the arm on one the little stepper motors breaks - they control the flaps in the heat/AC system. Some are not too hard to get at, but others require a major disassembly of the dash.
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Like the "balance shaft" issues of the MY2005-2007.5 engines M272/M273 engines, this is a known problem, but it does not even seem to appear as a blip on any of the car review publications (Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc.) My gut feeling is that I;ve heard of more balance shaft failures than intake manifold failures on these engines, but that;s by no means scientific.
One thing I will say about the failure, is that if it's just that external lever that cracks, it's a simple repair with the upgraded metal aftermarket part. However, if it's an internal flap that breaks, you need to replace the entire manifold. You don't want "debris" sucked into the engine damaging valves or pistons. You can get the OEM Pieburg manifold for well under $500.
One thing I will say about the failure, is that if it's just that external lever that cracks, it's a simple repair with the upgraded metal aftermarket part. However, if it's an internal flap that breaks, you need to replace the entire manifold. You don't want "debris" sucked into the engine damaging valves or pistons. You can get the OEM Pieburg manifold for well under $500.
I'm probably more afraid of the internals of the intake manifold breaking and throwing debris into the engine, than that little external lever. That's why I'd want the indie to clean out the the manifold for precautionary measures. I haven't heard many case of this, however.
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Yes, that seems to be a common failure on cars when they get "up there" in age.
