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I also plan to do the same. Im from the Philippines where there are lots of halfcut vehicles brought in from Japan. I currently have a 2002 W209 CLK 320 with an A/T and have just found a halfcut S55 AMG. Comes with evetything in the front half of the car except doors and windshield. So, the ECU, other modules, ignition, keys, harness , engine and tranny are all included. Would the engine fit direclty? or do i need to modify and realign the location for the engine supports? Did you ever safe a step-by-step video. Can i use the v8 ECU directly or do i still need to match it with the CLK immo? im thinking of just using the V8 ignition and keys.
I also plan to do the same. Im from the Philippines where there are lots of halfcut vehicles brought in from Japan. I currently have a 2002 W209 CLK 320 with an A/T and have just found a halfcut S55 AMG. Comes with evetything in the front half of the car except doors and windshield. So, the ECU, other modules, ignition, keys, harness , engine and tranny are all included. Would the engine fit direclty? or do i need to modify and realign the location for the engine supports? Did you ever safe a step-by-step video. Can i use the v8 ECU directly or do i still need to match it with the CLK immo? im thinking of just using the V8 ignition and keys.
Thanks!
w220 engine won't be direct fit, you going to need to switch oil pans (I think both lower and upper oil pans) probably oil pump (not sure). You going to need correct engine mount brackets (i mentioned it here including part #). Also you going to need to modify engine harness (or simply find one from clk500/clk55). The ECU might be the most complicated part: you can try to use s55 ECU, but it might cause some issues with ABS/ESP module and instrument cluster (from what I know they are vin codded). Plus the ECU configuration is very different from clk, for example s55 probably had SBC and ABC which most likely will cause CheckEngine since your clk doesn't have them.
But at least you can try to start the car with s55 ecu (after the swap), you going to need ECU, EZS (ignition switch), keys and probably (but not 100% sure) TCU from the s55.
There is a better solution You need to buy K-TAG and I'll explain you how to re-code s55 ecu to work with your car (swap IMMO data and configuration).
Wow! It was awesome to hear that there was another 6 speed V8 CLK out there. I swopped a manual into my CLK500 years ago. I talked about it a little on here then. It’s been a wile sense I logged in here. Thanks for sharing your story. I hope you are enjoying your next project. I would like to V8 swop a 204 C350 6speed.
Hey Frank, yes I'm using v6 manual transmission (in my case from Crossfire, although it's almost identical to c320/slk320 transmission for some reason Chrysler rated this transmissions as 370nm max torque and "Mercedes version" rated as 400nm).
As for engine mounts... e500 and clk500 have the same engine mounts (oil pans as well except 4matic version, but be aware that e500 headers won't work). Sure I can help you with ECU coding (I don't do performance flashes, I'm only DIY guy how knows only where IMMO data is located and how to copy it, and maybe couple of other tricks but that's all ) or if you want I can teach you how to do it yourself, very simply and the only tool you need is K-TAG (I bought mine for around $70, it's "very original" version :-D ).
Hey Dzmitry. Great thread. I am putting a 113 into a Vito van. Currently has 112 so not too hard. I have another Vito with a LS 6 litre in it and it is sweet but difficult to connect all abs etc.
Do you happen to know the smallest oil pan of m113? I have a clk430 engine and it is tight on the oil pan. I can fabricate anything but better if there is a smaller option.
I would also like to know how to use ktag. Can you help me with that please? I have a Xentry system.
Thank you.
Dale
Hey Dzmitry. Great thread. I am putting a 113 into a Vito van. Currently has 112 so not too hard. I have another Vito with a LS 6 litre in it and it is sweet but difficult to connect all abs etc.
Do you happen to know the smallest oil pan of m113? I have a clk430 engine and it is tight on the oil pan. I can fabricate anything but better if there is a smaller option.
I would also like to know how to use ktag. Can you help me with that please? I have a Xentry system.
Thank you.
Dale
Hey Dale,
That's a cool project, keep us posted!
It's hard to tell about an oil pan, judging by pictures i think clk500/e500(rwd) might be smaller/flatter but I didn't have both to compare.
Sure I'll help you out with ECU coding! I still need to make a video how to do the coding with K-TAG, but right now I'm a bit busy with work. PM me with your email, I'll send you step-by-step instructions.
I've just finished a CLK500 6 speed with a Rennsport Factory flywheel kit. Started and drove for me with the shifter unplugged and TCU still plugged in but CEL/BAS/ETC warning and limp mode if I hit the rev limiter.
What's the answer for coding the ECU? I used your 320 guide but it doesn't seem to work the same. Changed box 6 and 11. I didn't note down the original number from box 11, which first digit was a 6 for me then (B/D/8 I don't know) changed it to 09 and still get ABS etc errors. Box 11 seemed to just change the speed limiter? Found the developer mode and was able to set everything in there, it now says it has a manual transmission, I changed the pedal curve to manual and the speed limiter is set to the highest. It even says ETC and ESM are not fitted.
The issue is I still have ABS, CEL and BAS errors. Any idea how to get around this?
I checked another CLK500 and box 11 is 2B, so the first one above could be 6B or would the change in developer mode have fixed that?
I've just finished a CLK500 6 speed with a Rennsport Factory flywheel kit. Started and drove for me with the shifter unplugged and TCU still plugged in but CEL/BAS/ETC warning and limp mode if I hit the rev limiter.
What's the answer for coding the ECU? I used your 320 guide but it doesn't seem to work the same. Changed box 6 and 11. I didn't note down the original number from box 11, which first digit was a 6 for me then (B/D/8 I don't know) changed it to 09 and still get ABS etc errors. Box 11 seemed to just change the speed limiter? Found the developer mode and was able to set everything in there, it now says it has a manual transmission, I changed the pedal curve to manual and the speed limiter is set to the highest. It even says ETC and ESM are not fitted.
The issue is I still have ABS, CEL and BAS errors. Any idea how to get around this?
I checked another CLK500 and box 11 is 2B, so the first one above could be 6B or would the change in developer mode have fixed that?
It should be box 7 (not 6, Original values there is usually 6E) and 11 (usually values there starts with 2, e.g. e 29 where 2 (0 - manual transmissoin, 2 - 722.6 5-Speed, 4 - Sequential, 8 - 722.9 7-speed) represents transmission type and 9 if I remember correctly represents speed limiter).
BTW what year is your clk, 2005 ? 722.9 transmission?
It was indeed box 7. I changed that from 6E to 68. That seemed to work. Both CLKs are 2002 722.6. 95% sure the manual started with a 6 for me on box 11 and the other I checked after was 2B.
Developer mode was nice and easy to use and changed most things. Before that I tried 09 and a few other numbers, none seemed to fix the ABS/BAS/CEL light. When I check for fault codes there is nothing there. I'll check if developer mode has changed anything and will try 0B, 6B, 09 and 69 (ooo err) If you have any other ideas, let me know?
Hmm.... 6x for box #11 is strange, it's possible but.... strange. Any chance you could post a screenshot/photo of all of those values?
Recently I was helping a guy from France with c320 -> c500 swap and noticed that there are some differences in ecu behavior between ECUs with 722.9 and 722.6 transmissions, but I successfully carried over configuration from his ECU to an ECU from a car with 722.9.
One thing I don't like about making those changes with MB Star is that It can change other values which you didn't intend to change (especially in Dev mode), for me the best tool was K-TAG.
I'm sure we can work this out, the easiest option would be to make a new ECU from clk500 with 722.6 (pre 2005) and copy IMMO data from your original ECU, although it will require your to get your hands on K-TAG (it's about $80).
Another option I can send you config data only (from 2004 clk500, I think I have a couple of those) and you'll try to insert it into those boxes.
You can PM me with your email so will continue our conversation there.
BTW I don't have a list of what all the codes mean, I decode those values manually.
I'm 95% sure it was 6, trying to remember but I think it was 6B. I am very much regretting not taking a picture of the original string.
Doesn't sound good about making other changes for you. Can't say I noticed anything when I made the changes after playing with box 7 and 11 but it did change the throttle pedal mapping to manual without issue. I do have a Ktag somewhere but have never used it. I also have another stock 2002 CLk500 I can plug in.
Maybe because I am a new user but I can't seem to PM you?
I'm 95% sure it was 6, trying to remember but I think it was 6B. I am very much regretting not taking a picture of the original string.
Doesn't sound good about making other changes for you. Can't say I noticed anything when I made the changes after playing with box 7 and 11 but it did change the throttle pedal mapping to manual without issue. I do have a Ktag somewhere but have never used it. I also have another stock 2002 CLk500 I can plug in.
Maybe because I am a new user but I can't seem to PM you?
Cheers
It might be, it's just I some patter from what you told: 6B and the next value 2B.... any chance that you was trying to change a value in box 10 instead of box 11?
No worries, I'll ping you with my email.
Yooooo dimitry!!! I desperately need some info before I take my car to a shop and get my pockets ripped in half lol.I’ve done the entire swap on my 2006 cls500 and it’s all buttoned up.car cranks over perfect but it does not fire up🥲I know it probably needs some wires jumped to trick the car into thinking my auto trans is still there or jump wires to bypass the neutral safety switch to think everything is ok.but i don’t know where to start.could you please guide me in the right direction??
Yooooo dimitry!!! I desperately need some info before I take my car to a shop and get my pockets ripped in half lol.I’ve done the entire swap on my 2006 cls500 and it’s all buttoned up.car cranks over perfect but it does not fire up🥲I know it probably needs some wires jumped to trick the car into thinking my auto trans is still there or jump wires to bypass the neutral safety switch to think everything is ok.but i don’t know where to start.could you please guide me in the right direction??
Hey, i'm still recovering from COVID, I'll get back to you once I'm better.
Alright, back to business So you did manual swap on your cls500, right? Usually with Mercedes if an engine cranks it means that nothing is stopping it from firing up...
I need more info on what did you do with electronics:
1. do you still have your TCU installed?
2. do you still have your gear selector (shifter) installed?
3. did you do any changes (configuration) to your ECU?
One possible problem might be with Crankshaft Position Sensor (CPS), what flywheel did you installed? Any chance that while installing the flywheel you bent one of those "teeth/prongs" (CPS is using them to determine the crankshaft's position)?
Did you try to read errors?
i there,
Here is a story about how my beloved clk320 went through another surgery… this time it’s 5.0 v8 swap (previous episode is here)
I’ll try to answer couple of questions first:
Why not simply buy clk500? Very simple: I have an emotional attachment to my car, I spent too much money on it already, I don’t want to redo all the work I’ve already done (e.g soft top, interior, suspension, etc). Plus I have 3.27 rear diff gears (with LSD) vs 2.82 on clk500.
Why 5.0 not 5.4? 5.0 engines are much cheaper (I’d say 3 times cheaper) and since I have manual transmission which was designed for 3.2 engine it will last a little bit longer with 5.0
What a great write up!!!
I have a 2004 W211 E320 and I'm also doing an M113 5.0L swap from a 2003 E500. It is just the same situation as you, I have an emotional attachment to my car and I would rather do the swap than sell it and purchase an E500. I did in fact purchase an E500 so that I could use all parts that I need, but I don't intend on keeping it. My idea is to also swap the M112 into the "engine-less" E500 so that I can later sell it.
As for the mechanical part of the swap, everything seems very straightforward. As for coding, I'm still figuring out how I can do it. In the end, I'll have to code two vehicles, the E320 with the M113 and the E500 with the M112. I was wondering if you could share some guidelines on how to plan for the coding part of the swap. I read your posts which suggest getting a K Tag, do you know where to purchase it?
I´m planning to do the swap in the next month so I´m trying to gather as much information as possible to make everything work out.
I have a 2004 W211 E320 and I'm also doing an M113 5.0L swap from a 2003 E500. It is just the same situation as you, I have an emotional attachment to my car and I would rather do the swap than sell it and purchase an E500. I did in fact purchase an E500 so that I could use all parts that I need, but I don't intend on keeping it. My idea is to also swap the M112 into the "engine-less" E500 so that I can later sell it.
As for the mechanical part of the swap, everything seems very straightforward. As for coding, I'm still figuring out how I can do it. In the end, I'll have to code two vehicles, the E320 with the M113 and the E500 with the M112. I was wondering if you could share some guidelines on how to plan for the coding part of the swap. I read your posts which suggest getting a K Tag, do you know where to purchase it?
I´m planning to do the swap in the next month so I´m trying to gather as much information as possible to make everything work out.
Thanks!
Hey, are you swapping the rest of the powertrain (transmission, diff, etc) as well?
Yep K-TAG is a very good tool for this, but seems like the place where I bought it no longer sells them, try aliexpress, or you could try KESS (it's from the same company, obviously all of them are clones ) it should work too and if I recall correctly it might be able to read ME2.8 ECU over OBD-II port.
So ECU coding is very simple, once you have read EEPROM from ECUs you'll need to swap information containing so-called "IMMO data" (key ids, EZS id, etc), VIN and ECU configuration between them, no worries it is way easier than it sounds
Hey !It is my understanding that I need to swap the transmission, even though they are both 722.6, so I'm planning on doing that. If it's not necessary to swap it, then I'd rather not swap the transmission. I am also planning to swap all brake calipers and the exhaust system, and that's about it.
As for the differential and rear axles, I am not swapping those.
Is there anything else you believe I should swap (besides the engine harness and ECU)?
Hey !It is my understanding that I need to swap the transmission, even though they are both 722.6, so I'm planning on doing that. If it's not necessary to swap it, then I'd rather not swap the transmission. I am also planning to swap all brake calipers and the exhaust system, and that's about it.
As for the differential and rear axles, I am not swapping those.
Is there anything else you believe I should swap (besides the engine harness and ECU)?
You don't have to swap transmission, although they have different gearing, if you do a lot of "highway" miles you should consider doing it.
The other thing to consider is rear diff: if I'm not mistaking e320 has 3.07 gears, e500 (with 722.6) has 2.82 gears, but you can just swap a diff, I'm 99% sure you would need to swap axles as well.
Bottom line: I'd recommend doing engine only swap first, drive a car for a week or two and see whether you like how it drives or not. I've been helping a guy to swap 5.0 into his c320... and he ended up swapping transmission as well. Good thing is that 722.6 doesn't require any TCU codding
BTW since you are going to be taking an engine out I'd highly recommend to changing the rear main seal and lower oil pan, two most common m113/m112 leaks.
Maybe also other things like crank position sensor, valve cover gaskets, all vacuum lines, it's possible to do it on installed engine, but simplier when it's out
i there,
Here is a story about how my beloved clk320 went through another surgery… this time it’s 5.0 v8 swap (previous episode is here)
I’ll try to answer couple of questions first:
Why not simply buy clk500? Very simple: I have an emotional attachment to my car, I spent too much money on it already, I don’t want to redo all the work I’ve already done (e.g soft top, interior, suspension, etc). Plus I have 3.27 rear diff gears (with LSD) vs 2.82 on clk500.
Why 5.0 not 5.4? 5.0 engines are much cheaper (I’d say 3 times cheaper) and since I have manual transmission which was designed for 3.2 engine it will last a little bit longer with 5.0
Hi dzmitry,
I got here by chance, I saw you on Anderzén's channel programming the manual gearbox on xentry (congrats for the great work done there) I also see in this thread what you have achieved on your clk. It is just amazing, congratulations.
Sorry to read that you have switched platforms, I really like the clk. I am in the process of converting my unit to manual. I was originally thinking of solving the problem of removing the tcu and electronic shifter by using a raspberry pi based emulator that would inject the necessary frames via can-bus. (Totally discarded
after seeing your magic).
I've been reading the thread carefully, and I've seen you mention a guide to solve the problem using k-tag but I haven't found that guide.
I have a k-tag ordered that will be arriving in a couple of weeks and I have a couple of questions about how to go about the process you mention.
1- Is it necessary to buy an ecu the same as the one I already have or does it have to be a specific model?
2- Can I do the whole process without using xentry?
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, it is motivating me a lot to continue with the project.
I think I will swap the transmission since it's the right one for that M113 engine. As far as the diff goes, if possible, I would like to avoid swapping it. What do you think would be the pros and cons of leaving the E320 diff and using it with the M113? Would this setup result in more torque and acceleration at the expense of top speed?
Thanks for the suggestion on replacing parts. I will definitely replace some parts while the engines are out!
Regarding the coding, since I have both cars in perfect running condition, wouldn't it be possible to just swap all modules along with the engines/trans and thereby avoid coding the ECU?
I would prefer doing that if possible. I assume that certain modules, such as the airmatic or parktronic, don't need to be swapped. I believe I can later deactivate these from the developer options inside the CWG using the SDS.
Hi dzmitry,
I got here by chance, I saw you on Anderzén's channel programming the manual gearbox on xentry (congrats for the great work done there) I also see in this thread what you have achieved on your clk. It is just amazing, congratulations.
Sorry to read that you have switched platforms, I really like the clk. I am in the process of converting my unit to manual. I was originally thinking of solving the problem of removing the tcu and electronic shifter by using a raspberry pi based emulator that would inject the necessary frames via can-bus. (Totally discarded
after seeing your magic).
I've been reading the thread carefully, and I've seen you mention a guide to solve the problem using k-tag but I haven't found that guide.
I have a k-tag ordered that will be arriving in a couple of weeks and I have a couple of questions about how to go about the process you mention.
1- Is it necessary to buy an ecu the same as the one I already have or does it have to be a specific model?
2- Can I do the whole process without using xentry?
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, it is motivating me a lot to continue with the project.
02-09-2021, 08:29 PM
You need to buy K-TAG and I'll explain you how to re-code s55 ecu to work with your car (swap IMMO data and configuration).
W211 E320 SWAP M113
