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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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I like the renntech front lip better than the Evo one.

on the other hand the renntech rear wing just seems like super overkill. Of course if the purpose is to track your BS ... maybe the diffuser, wing, lip make sense. I just wouldn't want it on a normal driver. Maybe for a dedicated track car ...

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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 11:30 PM
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I like the renntech front lip better than the Evo one.

on the other hand the renntech rear wing just seems like super overkill. Of course if the purpose is to track your BS ... maybe the diffuser, wing, lip make sense. I just wouldn't want it on a normal driver. Maybe for a dedicated track car ...
Even for a dedicated track car, it's unnecessary. Every car has its limits, and for track driving, the challenge is to find those limits. Can you gain a second with extreme mods? Sure, but why? There is no award for improving your lap time, except your own satisfaction. And, that satisfaction comes from increased skill, not enhanced aero aids.
The rear of the BS does steer the car. That is part of its charm. If you really want to go fast, strip out the weight. But all you will have is a junker that you won't want to drive. The BS is great just the way it is. I think jrcart pushed the envelope as far as it should go, and preserve the utility of the car. Just my opinion. AS
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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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i'm pretty sure your BS is the ugliest example i've ever seen. In My opinion, I would much rather have the renntech Aero kit, versus having the wheels on your car. Your obviously on the evosport train because they have spent alot of time on your car. I have followed their progress on your car for awhile. I do have alot of renntech receipts and I know they dont do anything unless it has some function. Besides, Its different. And if there werent people trying different things constently There wouldnt be a 63, Bs or amg for that matter, because no one would care. My suggestion is you dont bash a company, Because they obviously have there reasons.
Different strokes for different folks I guess! Everyone has different tastes I guess...every once in a while I see a guy with a mullet, and I'm sure he thinks his hair looks great! LOL! Please submit a picture of your hair cut
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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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i dont mind it, but taking off the OEM would make it look better. i like the DTM spoiler better.
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Old Jun 28, 2008 | 06:25 PM
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Brady
Jim,
Was yours a DTM or the BS aero wing? The difference is the BS is a lot cleaner looking as the uprights don't come out of the trunk but off of the stock spoiler.
Jim,

do you have any photos of the Black Series Euro aero package? Saw a photo of a white BS in Affalterbach the other day, can not find it now. Thanks

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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 10:26 PM
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What Renntech should have done is

If you are a CLK mad folk like myself, you would remember 2003 Carlsson CLK RS. That car has a detachable rear spoiler which mounts to the bolting area of the rear license plate. They only made a few of those wing samples. I put my deposit down in 2004 but got ripped off my 1000 dollar deposit by Wheel Boutique. Anyways, with this design, Renntech aero kit will become much more functional and practical at the same time. So if you want to go with the renntech BS kit, you could request them to change the design of the wing so that you can attach/detach the wing depending on whether you are going on a spiritual run or not.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JLee81
If you are a CLK mad folk like myself, you would remember 2003 Carlsson CLK RS. That car has a detachable rear spoiler which mounts to the bolting area of the rear license plate. They only made a few of those wing samples. I put my deposit down in 2004 but got ripped off my 1000 dollar deposit by Wheel Boutique. Anyways, with this design, Renntech aero kit will become much more functional and practical at the same time. So if you want to go with the renntech BS kit, you could request them to change the design of the wing so that you can attach/detach the wing depending on whether you are going on a spiritual run or not.
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Thanks for posting the picture. I knew I saw a video of a guy bolting one on prior to a track day at a German venue. I thought that would be the way to go without permanently mounting the wing or as some would say "rice ing" the car. A simple bolt on and off wing is exactaly what I'm looking for.

For faster tracks the BS needs more rear down force and in my opinion neither the factory or renntech wings is serious enough. The only question is whether the mounting on the license plate is enough strength to hold 200+ lbs of down force. Looks like I'll have to build it myself since Carlsson doesnt sell it.

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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jjtoma
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do you have any photos of the Black Series Euro aero package? Saw a photo of a white BS in Affalterbach the other day, can not find it now. Thanks
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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I have some pics but this site will not let me post them again, I already posted them on a different thread so it will not let me re-post (dumbest thing I've ever heard of). It will not tell me what thread I posted them on so I can't even do a link. If I find it I will post a link.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Brady
Jlee81
Thanks for posting the picture. I knew I saw a video of a guy bolting one on prior to a track day at a German venue. I thought that would be the way to go without permanently mounting the wing or as some would say "rice ing" the car. A simple bolt on and off wing is exactaly what I'm looking for.

For faster tracks the BS needs more rear down force and in my opinion neither the factory or renntech wings is serious enough. The only question is whether the mounting on the license plate is enough strength to hold 200+ lbs of down force. Looks like I'll have to build it myself since Carlsson doesnt sell it.

Jimmy
Jim, I have said from day one (last october) the BS needs more down force and people on here questioned me and said it's fine. The reality is that it is azz end loose on medium sweepers, and just plain scary on fast ones, although it still feels managable it is not the most confidence inspiring feeling to be going through a turn at 100 mph and completely loose all feeling of the rear-end. Aero was on the top of my list when when working with Evosport on the mods to my car. I wanted performance, but not at the price of asthetics so we came up with the larger (about 3.5 times taller than stock) rear lip spoiler. Since installing it I have had the car on road courses and the combo of the front and rear pieces showed night and day improvment over stock. I am going to be heading up to Brainard International in a couple weeks, turn 1 is going to be the ultimate test of the aero package on my car. I will let you know what happens.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jrcart
I have some pics but this site will not let me post them again, I already posted them on a different thread so it will not let me re-post (dumbest thing I've ever heard of). It will not tell me what thread I posted them on so I can't even do a link. If I find it I will post a link.
jrcart,

Thanks, I will do a search of your posts. Think it will go 500 back.
If not, I should be in Affalterbach late Sept, track the car down.(AMG employee)
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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Thanks, I will do a search of your posts. Think it will go 500 back.
If not, I should be in Affalterbach late Sept, track the car down.(AMG employee)
I'll save you the time, it's post #16 on this thread....
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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i understand you wanting to defend renntech because you own one. but everyone knows they are way overpriced. no reason to trash jrcarts car in the process though. you are just plain silly if you think that car does not look the part.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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I'll save you the time, it's post #16 on this thread....
I must be blind.Thanks
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jjtoma
Jim,

do you have any photos of the Black Series Euro aero package? Saw a photo of a white BS in Affalterbach the other day, can not find it now. Thanks
Here's a picture that I took in November 2007 at the AMG Master Series Event at the Ascari Race Resort, near Ronda, Spain.



Sorry for the poor image quality . . .

The car is equipped with the Mercedes-AMG Aero Package.

Not available for the U.S. Market, as I understand it.

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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jrcart
Jim, I have said from day one (last october) the BS needs more down force and people on here questioned me and said it's fine. The reality is that it is azz end loose on medium sweepers, and just plain scary on fast ones, although it still feels managable it is not the most confidence inspiring feeling to be going through a turn at 100 mph and completely loose all feeling of the rear-end. Aero was on the top of my list when when working with Evosport on the mods to my car. I wanted performance, but not at the price of asthetics so we came up with the larger (about 3.5 times taller than stock) rear lip spoiler. Since installing it I have had the car on road courses and the combo of the front and rear pieces showed night and day improvment over stock. I am going to be heading up to Brainard International in a couple weeks, turn 1 is going to be the ultimate test of the aero package on my car. I will let you know what happens.
Jim,
Never doubted u. BS needs aero help over 90 mph on the sweepers and looking for your input from Brainard. That's why the new Viper Acr's stick, they have about half a ton of down force. I've got a aerodynamisist who worked with me on my turbo porsche and what a difference on the high speed sweepers.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JDB
Here's a picture that I took in November 2007 at the AMG Master Series Event at the Ascari Race Resort, near Ronda, Spain.



Sorry for the poor image quality . . .

The car is equipped with the Mercedes-AMG Aero Package.

Not available for the U.S. Market, as I understand it.

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I am 100% sure that the wing in the picture is from the DTM, which is about 3000 euros. But I still think that the detachable rear wing is the way to go for more downforce.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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I am 100% sure that the wing in the picture is from the DTM, which is about 3000 euros. But I still think that the detachable rear wing is the way to go for more downforce.
Here's a good shot of a CLK-DTM for comparison


But, now here's what I call a WING!

This is a P900 at Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium, last year.

Had a fun ride around the course with Jamie Green at the controls!!!

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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 02:20 AM
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Here's a picture that I took in November 2007 at the AMG Master Series Event at the Ascari Race Resort, near Ronda, Spain.



Sorry for the poor image quality . . .

The car is equipped with the Mercedes-AMG Aero Package.

Not available for the U.S. Market, as I understand it.

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Apparently, the wing attaches through the OEM BS lip spoiler .. I'm sure the double spoiler has been tested and probably works.

Does anyone have one of these MB wings for sale or know where I can get my hands on one?

Thanks

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Old Mar 19, 2010 | 08:25 AM
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Apparently, the wing attaches through the OEM BS lip spoiler .. I'm sure the double spoiler has been tested and probably works.

Does anyone have one of these MB wings for sale or know where I can get my hands on one?

Thanks

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I had one, but once it arrived and I saw it in person is when I elected to have a larger and taller rear lip spoiler developed with evosport/Vorsteiner. I can see if I can get my hands on another one but be warned they are not cheap and they are not attractive. Functional or not it will detract from the looks of your BS. The evo/Vorseiner unit is CF and looks just like the stock unit only it is about 3x's taller, but more important is that actually works, it puts a noticable amount of additional and much needed downforce on the car. Obviously styling comes down to personal preferances and if you like the look of the euro unit that is all that matters.

FWIW, evosport also developed an exact replica of the CLK DTM wing, it is constructed of CF and appears well built. The DTM wing is similar to the euro BS unit but there are some very sslight differences. There is a thread or possibly a sticj somewhere in this section.

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I had one, but once it arrived and I saw it in person is when I elected to have a larger and taller rear lip spoiler developed with evosport/Vorsteiner. I can see if I can get my hands on another one but be warned they are not cheap and they are not attractive. Functional or not it will detract from the looks of your BS. The evo/Vorseiner unit is CF and looks just like the stock unit only it is about 3x's taller, but more important is that actually works, it puts a noticable amount of additional and much needed downforce on the car. Obviously styling comes down to personal preferances and if you like the look of the euro unit that is all that matters.

FWIW, evosport also developed an exact replica of the CLK DTM wing, it is constructed of CF and appears well built. The DTM wing is similar to the euro BS unit but there are some very sslight differences. There is a thread or possibly a sticj somewhere in this section.
I'll agree that the wing may not be as stylish as the EVO lip spoiler, but, it would be somewhat unique and cool to have an OEM Aero package (except I'd use the EVO front splitter). It is too bad the OEM wing isn't carbon fiber to match the other CF accents on the car ... if so, I think it would look sharp. Should I choose to not go with the OEM wing, I will probably try the EVO lip spoiler ... just not 100% sold on it. It almost looks like it has a bit too much angle ... maybe too much downforce/drag? Fortunately, I'm in no rush ... more interested in having it lowered using the H&R springs with a nice corner balance. I've already installed the spacers since I decided to run the OEM wheels. The car is just SICK !!!

Thanks for your experienced opinion

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I'll agree that the wing may not be as stylish as the EVO lip spoiler, but, it would be somewhat unique and cool to have an OEM Aero package (except I'd use the EVO front splitter). It is too bad the OEM wing isn't carbon fiber to match the other CF accents on the car ... if so, I think it would look sharp. Should I choose to not go with the OEM wing, I will probably try the EVO lip spoiler ... just not 100% sold on it. It almost looks like it has a bit too much angle ... maybe too much downforce/drag? Fortunately, I'm in no rush ... more interested in having it lowered using the H&R springs with a nice corner balance. I've already installed the spacers since I decided to run the OEM wheels. The car is just SICK !!!

Thanks for your experienced opinion

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It's difficult to create downforce without drag. Drag or not, my car has still been clocked and GPS verified at 207MPH...how much faster do you think you need to go? Even with a stock tune and limiter you will be able to reach the 184mph factory limiter with the evo rear lip spoiler installed. I'm no aerophysicist but that tells me that it is not creating "too much drag". IMO opinion the positives greatly outweigh the negatives, just wait til you experience a high speed sweeper with that stock US spec spoiler. A couple laps a Road America through the carousel and kink and I knew this car needed alot more rear downforce, it was at theat poit that I sourced the euro rear wing but was unable to obtain the OEM front splitter. As I mentioned before once it arrived in my hands and I saw how ugly it was is when I told evosport to start working on something and they developed the lip spoiler and front diffuser. IMO they look great and most importantly they actually work, there is a very noticable difference now.
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Apparently, the wing attaches through the OEM BS lip spoiler .. I'm sure the double spoiler has been tested and probably works.

Does anyone have one of these MB wings for sale or know where I can get my hands on one?

Thanks

G
Yes, we manufacture one that is basically an exact replica.

I can send you pics from the office.

email me at brad@evosport.com

thanks
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PS - Jim, thanks for the nice props as always. I agree that the decklid is nicer, but we have customers that wanted a CF DTM style, so we made it too!
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