new AMG C63s will have same engines as GTS
10-19-2015, 01:45 PM
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Some of the best performing sports cars, true gt cars, achieved their performance by technological prowess in weight reduction and improvements in balance not by increasing the horsepower
The performance disparity between the c63s and the gts already speak to that.
10-19-2015, 02:18 PM
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an older article mentioned it was a dual clutch gearbox perhaps they were mistaken:
"The sedan shares some of the best high-performance tech with the GT, including its heart. They both make use of the company's latest twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V8 with two levels of tune. The standard C63 makes due with just 469 horsepower and 479 pound-feet of torque. If that isn't enough for some reason, then the C63 S offers 503 hp and 516 lb-ft of twist. That power means even the regular model can sprint to 62 miles per hour in 4 second flat, according to Mercedes, and the S sheds a tenth off that run. Regardless of tune, the gearbox is Merc's seven-speed AMG Speedshift dual-clutch transmission."
i just think for 50k more the GTS should be a little more differentiated from the C63s as in a more powerful engine.
"The sedan shares some of the best high-performance tech with the GT, including its heart. They both make use of the company's latest twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V8 with two levels of tune. The standard C63 makes due with just 469 horsepower and 479 pound-feet of torque. If that isn't enough for some reason, then the C63 S offers 503 hp and 516 lb-ft of twist. That power means even the regular model can sprint to 62 miles per hour in 4 second flat, according to Mercedes, and the S sheds a tenth off that run. Regardless of tune, the gearbox is Merc's seven-speed AMG Speedshift dual-clutch transmission."
i just think for 50k more the GTS should be a little more differentiated from the C63s as in a more powerful engine.
The GTS is as differentiated as can be and an absolute bargain in that it is actually an improved version of the $220k SLS for only $130k+.
That is actually a huge accomplishment in itself.
To compare a tiny niche manufacturer like Ferrari and their pricing strategy (since everything is build in small volumes without economies of scale) to the likes of large scale manufacturer like Mercedes and complain a $50K difference frankly is asinine.
Btw. the AMG Speedshift Transmission is not a dual clutch.
10-19-2015, 03:39 PM
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I suggest you re-read the replies again.
The GTS is as differentiated as can be and an absolute bargain in that it is actually an improved version of the $220k SLS for only $130k+.
That is actually a huge accomplishment in itself.
To compare a tiny niche manufacturer like Ferrari and their pricing strategy (since everything is build in small volumes without economies of scale) to the likes of large scale manufacturer like Mercedes and complain a $50K difference frankly is asinine.
Btw. the AMG Speedshift Transmission is not a dual clutch.
The GTS is as differentiated as can be and an absolute bargain in that it is actually an improved version of the $220k SLS for only $130k+.
That is actually a huge accomplishment in itself.
To compare a tiny niche manufacturer like Ferrari and their pricing strategy (since everything is build in small volumes without economies of scale) to the likes of large scale manufacturer like Mercedes and complain a $50K difference frankly is asinine.
Btw. the AMG Speedshift Transmission is not a dual clutch.
10-19-2015, 04:35 PM
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the only thing that doesn't make sense is you people not seeing a 50k premium (59% more) over a C63s which has essentially all the major parts of the GTS except for the dual clutch
now ask yourself does it really cost 50k more to manufacture the GTS? no it doesn't, in fact if it borrowed suspension/transmission from the SLS that lowers the development cost
now ask yourself does it really cost 50k more to manufacture the GTS? no it doesn't, in fact if it borrowed suspension/transmission from the SLS that lowers the development cost
10-19-2015, 04:52 PM
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the only thing that doesn't make sense is you people not seeing a 50k premium (59% more) over a C63s which has essentially all the major parts of the GTS except for the dual clutch
now ask yourself does it really cost 50k more to manufacture the GTS? no it doesn't, in fact if it borrowed suspension/transmission from the SLS that lowers the development cost
now ask yourself does it really cost 50k more to manufacture the GTS? no it doesn't, in fact if it borrowed suspension/transmission from the SLS that lowers the development cost
10-19-2015, 05:04 PM
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10-19-2015, 07:36 PM
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Here's another thought for you since you do not seem to like the answers already provided. Pricing is also based on marketing and offerings from your competition.
The C63S directly competes with M Cars, Audi S and ATS-V. All these cars are in the 60Ks base and can go up to the 90s with options.
The AMG GT competes with Porsches like the GTS or TT, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Jaguar F type R. The cheapest is the Jag and the highest is the TT with the AMG GT roughly sitting in the middle. I don't think this is a coincidence.
The C63S directly competes with M Cars, Audi S and ATS-V. All these cars are in the 60Ks base and can go up to the 90s with options.
The AMG GT competes with Porsches like the GTS or TT, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Jaguar F type R. The cheapest is the Jag and the highest is the TT with the AMG GT roughly sitting in the middle. I don't think this is a coincidence.
10-19-2015, 07:42 PM
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Here's another thought for you since you do not seem to like the answers already provided. Pricing is also based on marketing and offerings from your competition.
The C63S directly competes with M Cars, Audi S and ATS-V. All these cars are in the 60Ks base and can go up to the 90s with options.
The AMG GT competes with Porsches like the GTS or TT, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Jaguar F type R. The cheapest is the Jag and the highest is the TT with the AMG GT roughly sitting in the middle. I don't think this is a coincidence.
The C63S directly competes with M Cars, Audi S and ATS-V. All these cars are in the 60Ks base and can go up to the 90s with options.
The AMG GT competes with Porsches like the GTS or TT, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Jaguar F type R. The cheapest is the Jag and the highest is the TT with the AMG GT roughly sitting in the middle. I don't think this is a coincidence.
My opinion they needed more differentiation to maintain exclusivity and higher price point.
10-19-2015, 08:50 PM
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I think this guy is a lost cause.
Facts don't appear to matter. If the engine is the same, along with a few bits, it must be more or less the same car. The more expensive one is just a rip-off.
Facts don't appear to matter. If the engine is the same, along with a few bits, it must be more or less the same car. The more expensive one is just a rip-off.
10-19-2015, 09:17 PM
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that is something you people don't or can't recognize, and yes you are grossly overpaying for the GTS with the C63s there
i think you all don't want to agree because you all already bought in and when we see 100k GTS in 6 months then maybe you'll see things my way
10-20-2015, 12:35 PM
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Why pick on the fact that it has the same engine? The cars are simply different: 2 doors versus 4 doors, GT car versus run of the mill sedan, DCT versus MCT, low production versus high production, supercar performance versus sports car performance?
The GTS outperforms the C63 everywhere (acceleration, cornering, top speed, and on the track).
I could pick on the fact that the new F12 tdf has a few tweaks but Ferrari will charge about $900K or close to 3 times as much as regular F12. It would lead nowhere. The people willing to spend the $900K will not care that there is a smaller brother for a third of the cost because that TDF is simply special.
The GTS outperforms the C63 everywhere (acceleration, cornering, top speed, and on the track).
I could pick on the fact that the new F12 tdf has a few tweaks but Ferrari will charge about $900K or close to 3 times as much as regular F12. It would lead nowhere. The people willing to spend the $900K will not care that there is a smaller brother for a third of the cost because that TDF is simply special.
10-20-2015, 12:56 PM
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Why pick on the fact that it has the same engine? The cars are simply different: 2 doors versus 4 doors, GT car versus run of the mill sedan, DCT versus MCT, low production versus high production, supercar performance versus sports car performance?
The GTS outperforms the C63 everywhere (acceleration, cornering, top speed, and on the track).
I could pick on the fact that the new F12 tdf has a few tweaks but Ferrari will charge about $900K or close to 3 times as much as regular F12. It would lead nowhere. The people willing to spend the $900K will not care that there is a smaller brother for a third of the cost because that TDF is simply special.
The GTS outperforms the C63 everywhere (acceleration, cornering, top speed, and on the track).
I could pick on the fact that the new F12 tdf has a few tweaks but Ferrari will charge about $900K or close to 3 times as much as regular F12. It would lead nowhere. The people willing to spend the $900K will not care that there is a smaller brother for a third of the cost because that TDF is simply special.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news
F12tdf limited edition production
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10-20-2015, 01:50 PM
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for the record i like the GTS and think i will buy one but not at the MSRP
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
10-20-2015, 02:46 PM
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for the record i like the GTS and think i will buy one but not at the MSRP
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
Are you sure you are driving a Ferrari? The numbers discussed here should appear minor related to their options pricing or maintenance/service costs.
If you think that the GTS should be priced at $100k, what about other MB's?
Our lowly, regular, run of the mill, non-AMG Mercedes SL was $125k.
10-20-2015, 02:53 PM
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Some of you are starting to make me sick with your BS. You will not find a GTS owner who wishes he bought a C63 unless he needs the rear seat to contain his ego. Give it a rest. Some buy what they like and some what they can afford.
10-20-2015, 02:56 PM
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Glad you like the car but continue to be surprised by your comments. Price gouging; grossly overpriced; $100k proper entry price...
Are you sure you are driving a Ferrari? The numbers discussed here should appear minor related to their options pricing or maintenance/service costs.
If you think that the GTS should be priced at $100k, what about other MB's?
Our lowly, regular, run of the mill, non-AMG Mercedes SL was $125k.
Are you sure you are driving a Ferrari? The numbers discussed here should appear minor related to their options pricing or maintenance/service costs.
If you think that the GTS should be priced at $100k, what about other MB's?
Our lowly, regular, run of the mill, non-AMG Mercedes SL was $125k.
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There is only one person in this thread that thinks a gts owner will have buyers remorse when he sees the c63s exists there essentially "the same car" as the gts .... The op
It'll be interesting to see when a pre-own GTS hits doubt $100,000 mark ... The op may be waiting a few years
I doubt the c63s coupe's existence will cast any shadow on the exclusivity of owning a gts
There are way more people willing to spend $80-$90,000 on a car compared to the amount of people willing to spend $140,000 on a car
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10-20-2015, 03:05 PM
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GTS is definitely worth more than the C63S.
Buy what you want/need. At the end of the day even if I owned the new C63S, if a AMG GTS pulled up next to me I would still wish I had that instead.
Buy what you want/need. At the end of the day even if I owned the new C63S, if a AMG GTS pulled up next to me I would still wish I had that instead.
10-20-2015, 04:58 PM
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Since you talked about tuning, I am also waiting for the base GT to come out. At $115K base, I probably can grab this car at about $105K new + options. I will send it to Renntech for turbos upgrades and will eat Ferraris for breakfast for less than $140K all in.
for the record i like the GTS and think i will buy one but not at the MSRP
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
i'm waiting for price drop on a used one then i will tune it to 600hp where it should have been in the first place
my opinion 100k is the proper entry price
it's a beautiful car and i don't have to worry about it like a Ferrari
10-20-2015, 05:58 PM
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I suppose you could look at it another way, the GTS is priced ok IF they never created the C63s. But since they did they showed their hand and dumbed down the exclusivity of the GTS and the resale price will show it. That's the point i've been saying all along. Mercedes needs a lesson in price/product differentiation.
10-20-2015, 09:47 PM
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All v8 Ferraris 2012+ have 7 years free service maintenance. The GTS is not an exotic but it's new and therefore has appeal. Speed plus new styling. I suppose you could look at it another way, the GTS is priced ok IF they never created the C63s. But since they did they showed their hand and dumbed down the exclusivity of the GTS and the resale price will show it. That's the point i've been saying all along. Mercedes needs a lesson in price/product differentiation.
The GTS is fantastic. It's an unbelievable drive. The C63S is a beast too, but totally different. Totally.
10-21-2015, 06:11 AM
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Glad you like the car but continue to be surprised by your comments. Price gouging; grossly overpriced; $100k proper entry price...
Are you sure you are driving a Ferrari? The numbers discussed here should appear minor related to their options pricing or maintenance/service costs.
If you think that the GTS should be priced at $100k, what about other MB's?
Our lowly, regular, run of the mill, non-AMG Mercedes SL was $125k.
Are you sure you are driving a Ferrari? The numbers discussed here should appear minor related to their options pricing or maintenance/service costs.
If you think that the GTS should be priced at $100k, what about other MB's?
Our lowly, regular, run of the mill, non-AMG Mercedes SL was $125k.
