Recent track experience with GTR.
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front: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8088.html
Rear: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8246.html
http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...s/vehicle.html
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RSC1 http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...rsc/rsc-1.html (I think you can do RSC2 or 3 on the fronts)
RSL29 http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...sl/rsl-29.html
dont know if a vendor on here helps? These guys seem to carry from pagids site in the US
https://www.paragon-products.com/Pag...edes-s/687.htm
RSL29 http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...sl/rsl-29.html
dont know if a vendor on here helps? These guys seem to carry from pagids site in the US
https://www.paragon-products.com/Pag...edes-s/687.htm
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thebishman (06-06-2018)
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Agree, burnishing brakes is a real pain. Especially if they are carbon.
Your pads are indeed well burnished. And your rotors for sure have seen heavy duty track use. Easy to find a proficient track rat...just examine his front rotors.
Several years back when the first ZR1 Vette with carbon brakes showed up at the track needing them burnished everyone watching thought the car was on fire. No fire but massive amounts of smoke, so much so that the car could not be seen. And so many passes lost count.
I was always very nervous and jerky about burnishing brakes on a public read. That is until Carbotech began selling burnished pads out of the box. Problem solved
Your pads are indeed well burnished. And your rotors for sure have seen heavy duty track use. Easy to find a proficient track rat...just examine his front rotors.
Several years back when the first ZR1 Vette with carbon brakes showed up at the track needing them burnished everyone watching thought the car was on fire. No fire but massive amounts of smoke, so much so that the car could not be seen. And so many passes lost count.
I was always very nervous and jerky about burnishing brakes on a public read. That is until Carbotech began selling burnished pads out of the box. Problem solved
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I have tracked my GTR extensively, on my seconds sets of tires and pads now. I found the Corvette tires indeed grips better. Also the cup2s are very sensitive to the pressure, I am running 32-33 hot, you should give it a try. I am running 1:59 at VIR, ZP tire was easy second faster, but I still need to go back push it a little more.
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thebishman (06-08-2018)
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funny...talking to you in two different forums...
front: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8088.html
Rear: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8246.html
http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...s/vehicle.html
front: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8088.html
Rear: http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...hape-8246.html
http://www.pagidracing.com/en/produc...s/vehicle.html
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I’m happy with the performance of the OEM CCM pad, but I’m concerned about longevity so am certainly willing to try the next ‘track’ level of pad up from Pagid.
Just need to find a place that sells them.
Bish
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There appears to be four different compounds from Pagid, three of which are called rotor ‘friendly’.
I’m happy with the performance of the OEM CCM pad, but I’m concerned about longevity so am certainly willing to try the next ‘track’ level of pad up from Pagid.
Just need to find a place that sells them.
Bish
https://www.paragon-products.com/Pag...edes-s/687.htm
btw Ive never used these people before...they just seemed to be able to get em? I think
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This place didnt have em?
https://www.paragon-products.com/Pag...edes-s/687.htm
btw Ive never used these people before...they just seemed to be able to get em? I think
https://www.paragon-products.com/Pag...edes-s/687.htm
btw Ive never used these people before...they just seemed to be able to get em? I think
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OG Racing sent my last set of Backing plates to Paggid after my brake job.
I was told eight weeks about three weeks ago.
Also to note; I did a 1:19 at summit on 6/9/18 in my first session back out but the car since new pads and fluids. The car proceeded to run out of brake in five laps the pedal started going to the floor. The rotors have serious transfer. If the car sits it gets moderate pedal back, as soon as heat gets back in the system,
to the floor.
I reported that it won’t brake from 160mph to 45 for turn 1 of summit main as an example, I mean what do we tell them? The pedal goes to the floor with some heat, a few back to back 100 - 20mph and the pedal is mush. Dealer cannot simulate conditions of track use and those speed legally so MB is sending out a field services support rep, given my pads just came from the AMG academy and were burnished by the MB Tech, and brakes flushed and bled from last trip.
Missing events left and right.
I was told eight weeks about three weeks ago.
Also to note; I did a 1:19 at summit on 6/9/18 in my first session back out but the car since new pads and fluids. The car proceeded to run out of brake in five laps the pedal started going to the floor. The rotors have serious transfer. If the car sits it gets moderate pedal back, as soon as heat gets back in the system,
to the floor.
I reported that it won’t brake from 160mph to 45 for turn 1 of summit main as an example, I mean what do we tell them? The pedal goes to the floor with some heat, a few back to back 100 - 20mph and the pedal is mush. Dealer cannot simulate conditions of track use and those speed legally so MB is sending out a field services support rep, given my pads just came from the AMG academy and were burnished by the MB Tech, and brakes flushed and bled from last trip.
Missing events left and right.
Last edited by Brian Clarke; 06-13-2018 at 01:07 AM.
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OG Racing sent my last set of Backing plates to Paggid after my brake job.
I was told eight weeks about three weeks ago.
Also to note; I did a 1:19 at summit on 6/9/18 in my first session back out but the car since new pads and fluids. The car proceeded to run out of brake in five laps the pedal started going to the floor. The rotors have serious transfer. If the car sits it gets moderate pedal back, as soon as heat gets back in the system,
to the floor.
I reported that it won’t brake from 160mph to 45 for turn 1 of summit main as an example, I mean what do we tell them? The pedal goes to the floor with some heat, a few back to back 100 - 20mph and the pedal is mush. Dealer cannot simulate conditions of track use and those speed legally so MB is sending out a field services support rep, given my pads just came from the AMG academy and were burnished by the MB Tech, and brakes flushed and bled from last trip.
Missing events left and right.
I was told eight weeks about three weeks ago.
Also to note; I did a 1:19 at summit on 6/9/18 in my first session back out but the car since new pads and fluids. The car proceeded to run out of brake in five laps the pedal started going to the floor. The rotors have serious transfer. If the car sits it gets moderate pedal back, as soon as heat gets back in the system,
to the floor.
I reported that it won’t brake from 160mph to 45 for turn 1 of summit main as an example, I mean what do we tell them? The pedal goes to the floor with some heat, a few back to back 100 - 20mph and the pedal is mush. Dealer cannot simulate conditions of track use and those speed legally so MB is sending out a field services support rep, given my pads just came from the AMG academy and were burnished by the MB Tech, and brakes flushed and bled from last trip.
Missing events left and right.
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What brake fluid are you using? To me it looks like you need SRF. I flush the fluid for every track weekend. My car has no problem braking (steel) from 165-168 mph to 40 at turn 12 at cota or other sectors for that matter. By the way my car is on Hoosiers, so far in my third set with no problems. So far I use about a set of pads per weekend along with tires.
This is in MBs court as they charge me $1300 for pads , flush and bleed and something wasn’t right.
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I have CCM’s on a leased car and we have been running Motul 660, I had MB do the last flush and bleed and they didn’t last 5 laps. Even with the dot4.1 that MB uses 5 laps to brake pedal mush tells me there might also be other issues. There is a history in another thread In which my rotors have some pad transfer. Possibly the bleed job wasn’t 100% and there was a bubble, air, or the old fluid wasn’t completely flushed.
This is in MBs court as they charge me $1300 for pads , flush and bleed and something wasn’t right.
My car has no issues stopping from 120 mph down to 30 mph for the ‘S’s on my local track lap after lap until the end of my HPDE run session. The brakes are just fantastic and so far I’m only ‘consuming’ about 2mm-3mm of pad per weekend. (I’ll know more later today when I pick up the car after having the street tyres put back on).
Are you running with ESC off? If not your rear brakes in particular may be working very hard many times on track when the ESC is intervening; even subtly. This could perhaps be leading to excessive heat at the rears leading to increased wear and ‘boiling’ of the brake fluid.
I hope you get this sorted ASAP, as the car is an absolute ‘weapon’ on a road course.
Bish
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Brian there is something seriously wrong with the brake fluid flush IMHO. You must have air, probably in the calipers as it can be a beotch to get all of it out and takes time. Mogul 660 is a good fluid, but as you know the CCMs can generate a huge amount of heat, so as V8Ray suggested, I’d only run Castrol SRF or Endless 650. You really need to demand a re-flush of the system.
My car has no issues stopping from 120 mph down to 30 mph for the ‘S’s on my local track lap after lap until the end of my HPDE run session. The brakes are just fantastic and so far I’m only ‘consuming’ about 2mm-3mm of pad per weekend. (I’ll know more later today when I pick up the car after having the street tyres put back on).
Are you running with ESC off? If not your rear brakes in particular may be working very hard many times on track when the ESC is intervening; even subtly. This could perhaps be leading to excessive heat at the rears leading to increased wear and ‘boiling’ of the brake fluid.
I hope you get this sorted ASAP, as the car is an absolute ‘weapon’ on a road course.
Bish
Everything acts like the flush and I'd prefer to send it a few miles down the road to the race shop and know it was done 100% right, but just having paid $1300 and waiting for these pads as part of my other thread, this is on MB to fix.
I have offered to downgrade to the steel rotors, the problem is that on a leased vehicle apparently some hands are tied. It's just completely unacceptable IMO. Missing a track day @ Summit Point today for the Driver's Club that I pay monthly for, just doesn't sit well anymore.
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I turn ESC Off and run at position 5 during warm up lap and then position 7 or 8 for hotlaps.
Everything acts like the flush and I'd prefer to send it a few miles down the road to the race shop and know it was done 100% right, but just having paid $1300 and waiting for these pads as part of my other thread, this is on MB to fix.
I have offered to downgrade to the steel rotors, the problem is that on a leased vehicle apparently some hands are tied. It's just completely unacceptable IMO. Missing a track day @ Summit Point today for the Driver's Club that I pay monthly for, just doesn't sit well anymore.
Everything acts like the flush and I'd prefer to send it a few miles down the road to the race shop and know it was done 100% right, but just having paid $1300 and waiting for these pads as part of my other thread, this is on MB to fix.
I have offered to downgrade to the steel rotors, the problem is that on a leased vehicle apparently some hands are tied. It's just completely unacceptable IMO. Missing a track day @ Summit Point today for the Driver's Club that I pay monthly for, just doesn't sit well anymore.
I personally think going to the iron rotors would be a huge mistake since every review I’ve read states they suffer fade after a few laps of a road course.
I only have my local ‘race’ shop get the car ready for the track for me; I’d never have a brake fluid flush done by the dealership unless it’s for warranty continuation purposes.
Autoquest are the official US dealer for a Surface Transform Rotors btw. I’ll get more info this afternoon and share it with you.
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Some CCM brake info from John Gaydos at Autoquest:
Just had a great conversation with John who is with Autoquest in FL, who are the official importers of Surface Transforms (ST) CCM rotors. I called to see what options we have re: the CCM brakes when they start to wear along with pad choices.
John told me that there are only three CCM manufacturers in the world, (I'm assuming for street cars btw), ST; Brembo and SLI(?) and that the CCMs on the GTR are the same type of rotor that Porsche uses in their PCCB brakes. These CCM rotors are different from the Brembos that are found on Corvettes, etc. in that whilst the Brembo rotors have a 'rough' type of appearance to them, the SLI(?) found on our cars have almost a polished/smooth appearance. This is an additional layer John said that gives our rotors extra durability and hence longevity versus the Brembos.
Anyway, when our rotors are oxidized enough to have to be replaced, John mentioned that ST at this time do not make replacement rotors which is a huge shame as ST rotors can be 'refurbished' up to 5 times, which saves a huge amount of money versus having to constantly replace OEM CCM rotors. I asked him to put in a word with ST regarding them looking into making ST rotors for our car.
Pads: there is a Pagid RSC1 pad available for the car which should be more of a track oriented pad than the OEM pads, but still be 'rotor friendly'. John is going to get more info from Pagid on it for me.
He also mentioned that if anyone with CCMs are noticing some slight fade towards the end of their run session, it is probably due to the rotors not getting sufficient cooling and getting outside of their operating temperature zone. This can lead to increased wear on the rotor btw. He suggested that we look at ways to increase airflow to the rotor. Next time I have the car at my local shop I'm going to talk to them about looking into that for me.
Hope this is useful info.
Bish
Just had a great conversation with John who is with Autoquest in FL, who are the official importers of Surface Transforms (ST) CCM rotors. I called to see what options we have re: the CCM brakes when they start to wear along with pad choices.
John told me that there are only three CCM manufacturers in the world, (I'm assuming for street cars btw), ST; Brembo and SLI(?) and that the CCMs on the GTR are the same type of rotor that Porsche uses in their PCCB brakes. These CCM rotors are different from the Brembos that are found on Corvettes, etc. in that whilst the Brembo rotors have a 'rough' type of appearance to them, the SLI(?) found on our cars have almost a polished/smooth appearance. This is an additional layer John said that gives our rotors extra durability and hence longevity versus the Brembos.
Anyway, when our rotors are oxidized enough to have to be replaced, John mentioned that ST at this time do not make replacement rotors which is a huge shame as ST rotors can be 'refurbished' up to 5 times, which saves a huge amount of money versus having to constantly replace OEM CCM rotors. I asked him to put in a word with ST regarding them looking into making ST rotors for our car.
Pads: there is a Pagid RSC1 pad available for the car which should be more of a track oriented pad than the OEM pads, but still be 'rotor friendly'. John is going to get more info from Pagid on it for me.
He also mentioned that if anyone with CCMs are noticing some slight fade towards the end of their run session, it is probably due to the rotors not getting sufficient cooling and getting outside of their operating temperature zone. This can lead to increased wear on the rotor btw. He suggested that we look at ways to increase airflow to the rotor. Next time I have the car at my local shop I'm going to talk to them about looking into that for me.
Hope this is useful info.
Bish
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Some of you guys are certainly having issues with CCM brakes and stuff. Glad I got iron brakes for my GTS. I run it on track and it's just fine and stops well lap after lap with the iron rotors. I use Hawk DTC 60 or 70 pads in the front and had Porterfield make me some pads in Raybestos ST47 compound for the rear. I swap pads out before and after every track event (PITA) because the OEM Brembo rotors are not as hard as racing rotors such as PFC's or AP Racing ones and the racing pads would wear them down n the street. The OEM Brembo front iron rotors can be had for a little over $400 each. I have not found a good source other than OEM for the rear rotors yet, but mine are still fine. Front pads in the Nissan GT-R size fit just fine in the AMG calipers, and they have the benefit of being thicker than the OEM pad size so they last a little longer. And since I still also track my GT-R, I can buy the same front pads for each car. I run Castrol SRF fluid and have not had any soft pedal, and I vacuum bleed myself with no air ever in the lines. I can see that people running OEM pads and fluid on iron rotors would have issues, but with my setup using race pads everything is fine. I have been doing lapping days for 20 years, so I have been through a lot of brake pads and rotors.
So what do OEM CCM rotors cost to replace front and rear, anyone price them yet?
So what do OEM CCM rotors cost to replace front and rear, anyone price them yet?
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Here is some info on Brembo CCM rotor manufacture: http://www.brembo.com/en/car/origina...-ceramic-discs
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets.
Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes is currently the leading producer of carbon ceramic discs, and supplies these components for the most exclusive models of prestigious brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Corvette, Nissan, Lexus, McLaren, Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti and AMG."
Here is the Brembo SGL Carbon application list: http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/e.../App-List.aspx
Aston Martin: Aston Martin DB9 (OE), Aston Martin Vanquish (OE), Aston Martin V12 Vantage (OE).
Audi: Audi A8 (OPT), Audi Q7 (OPT), Audi R8 (OPT), Audi RS4 (OPT), Audi RS5 (OPT), Audi RS6 (OPT), Audi RS7 (OPT), Audi S6 (OPT), Audi S7 (OPT), Audi S8 (OPT).
Bentley: Bentley Continental GT (OPT), Bentley Continental Supersport(OPT), Bentley Continental Flying Spur Speed (OPT).
BMW: BMW M5(OPT), BMW M6 (OPT), BMW M6 Coupè (OPT).
Bugatti: Bugatti Veyron (OE).
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Camaro (OPT).
Corvette: Corvette ZR1 (OPT), Corvette Z06 (OPT), Corvette Z/28 (OPT).
Ferrari: Ferrari California (OE), Ferrari FF (OE), Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (OE), Ferrari LaFerrari (OE), Ferrari Spyder (OE), Ferrari 458 (OE), Ferrari458 Italia (OE).
Jaguar: Jaguar XKR-S GT (OE).
Lamborghini: Lamborghini Aventador (OE), Lamborghini Gallardo (OPT), Lamborghini Murcielago (OPT).
Lexus: Lexus LFA (OPT).
Maserati: Maserati Granturismo (OPT), Maserati MC Stradale (OPT).
McLaren: McLaren MP4-12C (OPT).
Mercedes AMG: Mercedes AMG CLS 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG E 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG SLS (OPT), Mercedes AMG SL 63 (OPT).
Nissan: Nissan GTR VSpec (OPT).
Pagani Automobili: Pagani Zonda (OE), Pagani Huayra (OE).
Porsche : Porsche Boxster (OPT), Porsche Cayenne (OPT), Porsche Cayman (OPT), Porsche Panamera (OPT), Porsche 911 (OPT), Porsche 911 Spyder – GT3 (OE).
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets.
Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes is currently the leading producer of carbon ceramic discs, and supplies these components for the most exclusive models of prestigious brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Corvette, Nissan, Lexus, McLaren, Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti and AMG."
Here is the Brembo SGL Carbon application list: http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/e.../App-List.aspx
Aston Martin: Aston Martin DB9 (OE), Aston Martin Vanquish (OE), Aston Martin V12 Vantage (OE).
Audi: Audi A8 (OPT), Audi Q7 (OPT), Audi R8 (OPT), Audi RS4 (OPT), Audi RS5 (OPT), Audi RS6 (OPT), Audi RS7 (OPT), Audi S6 (OPT), Audi S7 (OPT), Audi S8 (OPT).
Bentley: Bentley Continental GT (OPT), Bentley Continental Supersport(OPT), Bentley Continental Flying Spur Speed (OPT).
BMW: BMW M5(OPT), BMW M6 (OPT), BMW M6 Coupè (OPT).
Bugatti: Bugatti Veyron (OE).
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Camaro (OPT).
Corvette: Corvette ZR1 (OPT), Corvette Z06 (OPT), Corvette Z/28 (OPT).
Ferrari: Ferrari California (OE), Ferrari FF (OE), Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (OE), Ferrari LaFerrari (OE), Ferrari Spyder (OE), Ferrari 458 (OE), Ferrari458 Italia (OE).
Jaguar: Jaguar XKR-S GT (OE).
Lamborghini: Lamborghini Aventador (OE), Lamborghini Gallardo (OPT), Lamborghini Murcielago (OPT).
Lexus: Lexus LFA (OPT).
Maserati: Maserati Granturismo (OPT), Maserati MC Stradale (OPT).
McLaren: McLaren MP4-12C (OPT).
Mercedes AMG: Mercedes AMG CLS 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG E 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG SLS (OPT), Mercedes AMG SL 63 (OPT).
Nissan: Nissan GTR VSpec (OPT).
Pagani Automobili: Pagani Zonda (OE), Pagani Huayra (OE).
Porsche : Porsche Boxster (OPT), Porsche Cayenne (OPT), Porsche Cayman (OPT), Porsche Panamera (OPT), Porsche 911 (OPT), Porsche 911 Spyder – GT3 (OE).
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Some of you guys are certainly having issues with CCM brakes and stuff. Glad I got iron brakes for my GTS. I run it on track and it's just fine and stops well lap after lap with the iron rotors. I use Hawk DTC 60 or 70 pads in the front and had Porterfield make me some pads in Raybestos ST47 compound for the rear. I swap pads out before and after every track event (PITA) because the OEM Brembo rotors are not as hard as racing rotors such as PFC's or AP Racing ones and the racing pads would wear them down n the street. The OEM Brembo front iron rotors can be had for a little over $400 each. I have not found a good source other than OEM for the rear rotors yet, but mine are still fine. Front pads in the Nissan GT-R size fit just fine in the AMG calipers, and they have the benefit of being thicker than the OEM pad size so they last a little longer. And since I still also track my GT-R, I can buy the same front pads for each car. I run Castrol SRF fluid and have not had any soft pedal, and I vacuum bleed myself with no air ever in the lines. I can see that people running OEM pads and fluid on iron rotors would have issues, but with my setup using race pads everything is fine. I have been doing lapping days for 20 years, so I have been through a lot of brake pads and rotors.
So what do OEM CCM rotors cost to replace front and rear, anyone price them yet?
So what do OEM CCM rotors cost to replace front and rear, anyone price them yet?
Re: Iron Rotors:
The consistently noted fade on track with the iron rotors may well be 'pad' fade, along with the OEM fluid not holding up well. You in your GTS will be very quick on track, so anyone with iron brakes experiencing 'fade' on a road course, OR even better getting ready to go out for a track weekend, would do well to follow your advice; i.e. change fluids and pads.
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Here is some info on Brembo CCM rotor manufacture: http://www.brembo.com/en/car/origina...-ceramic-discs
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets.
Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes is currently the leading producer of carbon ceramic discs, and supplies these components for the most exclusive models of prestigious brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Corvette, Nissan, Lexus, McLaren, Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti and AMG."
Here is the Brembo SGL Carbon application list: http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/e.../App-List.aspx
Aston Martin: Aston Martin DB9 (OE), Aston Martin Vanquish (OE), Aston Martin V12 Vantage (OE).
Audi: Audi A8 (OPT), Audi Q7 (OPT), Audi R8 (OPT), Audi RS4 (OPT), Audi RS5 (OPT), Audi RS6 (OPT), Audi RS7 (OPT), Audi S6 (OPT), Audi S7 (OPT), Audi S8 (OPT).
Bentley: Bentley Continental GT (OPT), Bentley Continental Supersport(OPT), Bentley Continental Flying Spur Speed (OPT).
BMW: BMW M5(OPT), BMW M6 (OPT), BMW M6 Coupè (OPT).
Bugatti: Bugatti Veyron (OE).
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Camaro (OPT).
Corvette: Corvette ZR1 (OPT), Corvette Z06 (OPT), Corvette Z/28 (OPT).
Ferrari: Ferrari California (OE), Ferrari FF (OE), Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (OE), Ferrari LaFerrari (OE), Ferrari Spyder (OE), Ferrari 458 (OE), Ferrari458 Italia (OE).
Jaguar: Jaguar XKR-S GT (OE).
Lamborghini: Lamborghini Aventador (OE), Lamborghini Gallardo (OPT), Lamborghini Murcielago (OPT).
Lexus: Lexus LFA (OPT).
Maserati: Maserati Granturismo (OPT), Maserati MC Stradale (OPT).
McLaren: McLaren MP4-12C (OPT).
Mercedes AMG: Mercedes AMG CLS 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG E 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG SLS (OPT), Mercedes AMG SL 63 (OPT).
Nissan: Nissan GTR VSpec (OPT).
Pagani Automobili: Pagani Zonda (OE), Pagani Huayra (OE).
Porsche : Porsche Boxster (OPT), Porsche Cayenne (OPT), Porsche Cayman (OPT), Porsche Panamera (OPT), Porsche 911 (OPT), Porsche 911 Spyder – GT3 (OE).
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets.
Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes is currently the leading producer of carbon ceramic discs, and supplies these components for the most exclusive models of prestigious brands such as Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Corvette, Nissan, Lexus, McLaren, Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti and AMG."
Here is the Brembo SGL Carbon application list: http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/e.../App-List.aspx
Aston Martin: Aston Martin DB9 (OE), Aston Martin Vanquish (OE), Aston Martin V12 Vantage (OE).
Audi: Audi A8 (OPT), Audi Q7 (OPT), Audi R8 (OPT), Audi RS4 (OPT), Audi RS5 (OPT), Audi RS6 (OPT), Audi RS7 (OPT), Audi S6 (OPT), Audi S7 (OPT), Audi S8 (OPT).
Bentley: Bentley Continental GT (OPT), Bentley Continental Supersport(OPT), Bentley Continental Flying Spur Speed (OPT).
BMW: BMW M5(OPT), BMW M6 (OPT), BMW M6 Coupè (OPT).
Bugatti: Bugatti Veyron (OE).
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Camaro (OPT).
Corvette: Corvette ZR1 (OPT), Corvette Z06 (OPT), Corvette Z/28 (OPT).
Ferrari: Ferrari California (OE), Ferrari FF (OE), Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (OE), Ferrari LaFerrari (OE), Ferrari Spyder (OE), Ferrari 458 (OE), Ferrari458 Italia (OE).
Jaguar: Jaguar XKR-S GT (OE).
Lamborghini: Lamborghini Aventador (OE), Lamborghini Gallardo (OPT), Lamborghini Murcielago (OPT).
Lexus: Lexus LFA (OPT).
Maserati: Maserati Granturismo (OPT), Maserati MC Stradale (OPT).
McLaren: McLaren MP4-12C (OPT).
Mercedes AMG: Mercedes AMG CLS 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG E 63 (OPT), Mercedes AMG SLS (OPT), Mercedes AMG SL 63 (OPT).
Nissan: Nissan GTR VSpec (OPT).
Pagani Automobili: Pagani Zonda (OE), Pagani Huayra (OE).
Porsche : Porsche Boxster (OPT), Porsche Cayenne (OPT), Porsche Cayman (OPT), Porsche Panamera (OPT), Porsche 911 (OPT), Porsche 911 Spyder – GT3 (OE).
This is great info Claude. So it seems that there is a 'Brembo' division making rotors such as those found on Corvettes that don't have the extra layer on the external aspect of the CCM rotor, and an 'SGL' division that does make/finish the CCM rotors in a different fashion for Porsche, MB, etc.
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Haven’t updated this thread in a long time, even though we’ve had the car to the track two times since my last post, and since it’s the end of the track season for me I thought I’d sum a couple of things up:
Cooling: the car just stays cool no matter how hard we ran it at an HPDE. A couple of weeks ago my son and I ran 18.5 20-25 minute run sessions with just one group in between the two of us. That’s pretty darn impressive for a car that went out for another session just about the time the fans hit low speed after shutting down the engine. I run in the Advanced group and my son runs in the upper intermediate group so we aren’t actually taking it easy;
Transmission: AMG made changes to the shifting algorithm of the DCT in the GT R, and it is just a superb transmission on track whether left to its own devices; (where it keeps the rpm’s between 5,000-7,000), or shifting manually. Every time on longer straights I would easily gap C7 Z06’s, and that I attribute to the speed and efficiency of the DCT. In ‘D’ mode it is always in the correct gear, all of the time;
Handling: I have always driven the car in Race mode with ESC ‘Off’ and it is a superbly balanced car. I’d recommend that any owner who is pretty comfortable driving on a road course run it in this mode only, unless the track is wet, in which case ESC ‘Sport’ will be your friend. Playing around with the TC dial to fine tune how much you’re allowed to ‘spin up’ the rear of the car is fun; I found leaving it in the default ‘5’ position, (2 red bars showing), worked perfectly for me. My son drove the car in ESC ‘Sport’; more on that below;
Tyres: the OEM SC2 tyres just really hold the car back IMHO, especially the front end, even though it’s still very rapid. Getting a second set of wheels and placing the R03 option tyres on them really makes the car shine; highly recommended. Start the pressures on either around 26 psi. Btw the OEM SC2’s are pretty crappy wet weather tyres;
Brakes: our car has the CCM’s and with Castrol SRF brake fluid the car stopped brilliantly every time, lap after lap. I still have the original OEM pads in the car, and after > 30 run sessions, the front brake pads still have > 50% of the pad material left. The rears were doing great until our last track weekend, when my son first started driving the car and drove it in ESC ‘Sport’. This of course uses the rear brakes (preferentially) to stabilise the car, and that has worn them down to around 1/3rd of the original thickness; hence I’m going to have them replaced soon along with a fluid flush; this time with Endless 650.
Well that’s enough of me boring the non-track drivers, so I’ll quit. If anyone has any further questions, just let me know.
Bish
Cooling: the car just stays cool no matter how hard we ran it at an HPDE. A couple of weeks ago my son and I ran 18.5 20-25 minute run sessions with just one group in between the two of us. That’s pretty darn impressive for a car that went out for another session just about the time the fans hit low speed after shutting down the engine. I run in the Advanced group and my son runs in the upper intermediate group so we aren’t actually taking it easy;
Transmission: AMG made changes to the shifting algorithm of the DCT in the GT R, and it is just a superb transmission on track whether left to its own devices; (where it keeps the rpm’s between 5,000-7,000), or shifting manually. Every time on longer straights I would easily gap C7 Z06’s, and that I attribute to the speed and efficiency of the DCT. In ‘D’ mode it is always in the correct gear, all of the time;
Handling: I have always driven the car in Race mode with ESC ‘Off’ and it is a superbly balanced car. I’d recommend that any owner who is pretty comfortable driving on a road course run it in this mode only, unless the track is wet, in which case ESC ‘Sport’ will be your friend. Playing around with the TC dial to fine tune how much you’re allowed to ‘spin up’ the rear of the car is fun; I found leaving it in the default ‘5’ position, (2 red bars showing), worked perfectly for me. My son drove the car in ESC ‘Sport’; more on that below;
Tyres: the OEM SC2 tyres just really hold the car back IMHO, especially the front end, even though it’s still very rapid. Getting a second set of wheels and placing the R03 option tyres on them really makes the car shine; highly recommended. Start the pressures on either around 26 psi. Btw the OEM SC2’s are pretty crappy wet weather tyres;
Brakes: our car has the CCM’s and with Castrol SRF brake fluid the car stopped brilliantly every time, lap after lap. I still have the original OEM pads in the car, and after > 30 run sessions, the front brake pads still have > 50% of the pad material left. The rears were doing great until our last track weekend, when my son first started driving the car and drove it in ESC ‘Sport’. This of course uses the rear brakes (preferentially) to stabilise the car, and that has worn them down to around 1/3rd of the original thickness; hence I’m going to have them replaced soon along with a fluid flush; this time with Endless 650.
Well that’s enough of me boring the non-track drivers, so I’ll quit. If anyone has any further questions, just let me know.
Bish
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Ambients were between 75dF-80dF; so not too hot. I did run the car in much hotter ambient temps in July and again it ran cool all day long, although that time it was just me driving it.
Engine oil never exceeded 250dF and the transmission temps never came close to the ‘red’ zone on the AMG ‘Engine Dynamic’ center display although I can’t remember the exact numbers; sorry about that.
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