So I finally test drove a 2018 GTR and the ride quality was super stiff..
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The question is are you OK with the compromises, and it sounds like you are, which is probably all that matters.
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Actually, the rear bumper of the 2014 e550 and e63 is the same. I was rear ended so I had the autobody put the OEM (not fake) amg diffuser and exhaust tips on it. Don't see how that had anything to do with your endless nonsensical rambling that everyone here has commented on lol. Dude thinks his GTC is gonna be a collectible because of his analog gauges 😂😂
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I know if you are patient you will always pick up an AMG at a huge discount at the end of the season or when the new model year launches. Benz Canada is not interested in holding on and offers huge cash incentives to move inventory. This applies to all AMG models. Hang tight and wait. You might not get the car with exactly what you want in it or the Color you want but you will get a smoking deal, especially if you are paying cash for the car.
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Wow, some great insights by you guys since I last checked the thread.
I’m still waiting and holding off, albeit nervously.
Surge, you make some good points just as you did in my previous threat about the differences between the GT line up.
As someone who might track it a couple times throughout ownership, the GTR is more appealing to me, also because to me it looks better to me (again, subjective). Of course all of this comes at a compromise.
I’ve seen some 2020’s pop up for resale with low kms as well. The issue with all these ones on sale whether it’s 2018, 2019, or 2020 is that no GTR is the same. Some will have upgraded sound package and some won’t, some will have carbon pack 1 and 2 but may bot have CCB, some will have green hell magno paint but won’t have carbon pack 1 or 2 and CCB. Like no matter what I look at it’s all a compromise. Short of speccing the vehicle to the T and paying MSRP there is simply no ideal spec out there.
I’ve linked some examples below:
2018
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47356165
2020’s
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47750866
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-44914494
I’m still waiting and holding off, albeit nervously.
Surge, you make some good points just as you did in my previous threat about the differences between the GT line up.
As someone who might track it a couple times throughout ownership, the GTR is more appealing to me, also because to me it looks better to me (again, subjective). Of course all of this comes at a compromise.
I’ve seen some 2020’s pop up for resale with low kms as well. The issue with all these ones on sale whether it’s 2018, 2019, or 2020 is that no GTR is the same. Some will have upgraded sound package and some won’t, some will have carbon pack 1 and 2 but may bot have CCB, some will have green hell magno paint but won’t have carbon pack 1 or 2 and CCB. Like no matter what I look at it’s all a compromise. Short of speccing the vehicle to the T and paying MSRP there is simply no ideal spec out there.
I’ve linked some examples below:
2018
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47356165
2020’s
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47750866
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-44914494
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I think it really comes down to the purpose of buying this vehicle. If you think you will not be tracking this car a lot, perhaps CCB is not going to be all that important. The bottom line is that there wouldn't be a "perfect" second-hand vehicle so you will just have to decide which compromise you are willing to take (eg. premium sound package over CCB or black over green hell, etc). I do think it is much more practical (financially at least) purchasing a second-hand AMG GTR rather than buying a new one at this point. Hopefully you find the ideal car.
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I think it really comes down to the purpose of buying this vehicle. If you think you will not be tracking this car a lot, perhaps CCB is not going to be all that important. The bottom line is that there wouldn't be a "perfect" second-hand vehicle so you will just have to decide which compromise you are willing to take (eg. premium sound package over CCB or black over green hell, etc). I do think it is much more practical (financially at least) purchasing a second-hand AMG GTR rather than buying a new one at this point. Hopefully you find the ideal car.
I’m already pushing the boundaries with the GTR and that too potentially a 2020, from what I first started out looking at was sub $100k GTS’ lol.
in your opinion, is black more sought after and maybe even batter looking than GHM? I have seen the GHM paint in person and outside but not a black or selenite grey magno outside. Only in showroom.
I also have no clue as to how much better the upgraded burmester system is to the standard one. The fact that some of these don’t have the carbon pack 1 or 2 pains me. How someone could spec and buy such a car new and not spend a few thousand more on such options is ludicrous.
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Colour is a personal choice. I prefer less flashy colour (grey or black). GHM is a bit too much for me in person but it does look quite good. As for upgraded burmester, again personal choice, I don't think you absolutely need it as you will likely enjoy the sound of the V8 more. I think both carbon 1 + 2 look good together rather than just one of them. I do think black is easier for resale though. Also, I like 2018/2019 interior better than 2020 although I understand 2020 has new screen and buttons. I just can't justify paying 40 k more for new screen...
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If you get black get
Magnetite Black. It’s a metallic colour and the finish is hard. The other black you see is regular 040 (paint code) black and is a non metallic paint that is very soft and will require constant upkeep and will show swirls and marks easily. While the matte paints are great, strong and durable they absolutely require hand washing with specific soaps that have no additives and are designed for matte finishes. The reasons for this is that over time these regular soaps and Carwash additives will leave shiny spots on the paint and because it’s matte, it cannot be buffed out. If you wrap the car with anything other than a clear wrap, on trade most stores will make you unwrap it which can cost upwards of half the cost of the original wrap in the first place. Just my 0.02c.
Lastly, the GTC is 9 plus tenths of the GTR. You wouldn’t be far off in thinking of it as a GTR Touring... if performance is what you’re after a GTC with a set of Sport Cup 2 tires will offer almost 9/10 of the track experience of a GTR. The rest will come down to your own track skills and experience. But up here you need to be careful daily driving any car on Sport Cup 2 tires which is standard equipment on the GTR. Best to leave the car at home in heavy rain and as soon as the pavement cools in early spring and late fall it’s almost impossible to get any heat in them.
Lastly, the GTC is 9 plus tenths of the GTR. You wouldn’t be far off in thinking of it as a GTR Touring... if performance is what you’re after a GTC with a set of Sport Cup 2 tires will offer almost 9/10 of the track experience of a GTR. The rest will come down to your own track skills and experience. But up here you need to be careful daily driving any car on Sport Cup 2 tires which is standard equipment on the GTR. Best to leave the car at home in heavy rain and as soon as the pavement cools in early spring and late fall it’s almost impossible to get any heat in them.
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I also have no clue as to how much better the upgraded burmester system is to the standard one. The fact that some of these don’t have the carbon pack 1 or 2 pains me. How someone could spec and buy such a car new and not spend a few thousand more on such options is ludicrous.
Now, is it important for you? If you don’t listen to a lot of music, no. If you don’t cruise long distances, then no.
Again, if you’re tracking the car and you get a GTR, the High End is probably not worth it, and it adds a bit of weight.
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I have the standard Burmester system in my ‘18 GTR, and it frankly is pretty awful. The upgraded Burmester is the way to go at least in the GTR IF listening to music in the car is that important to you. It’s not to me as I generally just listen to news via Sirius and frankly if I’m interested in listening to music on my way to work the GTR isn’t the car I take.
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If it's an option, just get the upgrade, if for nothing else than the sexy metal grills. I drove a few GTs with and without, on different days, and could not discern a difference between them in sound quality. I'm sure it would be more noticeable if I sat in them back to back, but otherwise didn't notice.
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Here’s brand new one heavily discounted.
Saw this 2018 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPhone app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47356165
Saw this 2018 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPhone app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-47356165
Still, $159k asking is good, given the MSRP of over $200k. I wouldn’t count on $150k. Probably $155k, but you never know unless you try!
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Some really great and descriptive comparisons. Lots of great details here! I definitely agree on all points. Surge is very well informed and knowledgeable about the pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages, similarities and differences....
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Thanks @ZephyrAMG and I agree with everything @DriveAMG is saying.
I did a lot of research before getting my 2019 GTC. And I fully understand that if you *must have* a GTR, even if you are not going to track it much, then that’s what you have to get! It’s not supposed to be that much of a rational, logical decision.
Get whatever makes your heart rate increase most!
And then add the left brained stuff of pricing come in once you’ve decided which model is for you.
And don’t be afraid to negotiate hard now.
In a few years, when the new model is out, we should do our best to keep prices stable, but right now prices are dropping.
I did a lot of research before getting my 2019 GTC. And I fully understand that if you *must have* a GTR, even if you are not going to track it much, then that’s what you have to get! It’s not supposed to be that much of a rational, logical decision.
Get whatever makes your heart rate increase most!
And then add the left brained stuff of pricing come in once you’ve decided which model is for you.
And don’t be afraid to negotiate hard now.
In a few years, when the new model is out, we should do our best to keep prices stable, but right now prices are dropping.
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If you are like every one of us here, you already have your mind set on exactly what you want and like, for whatever reason that is, people kept getting mad at me saying all you do is talk about this car, when the hell are you gonna get it, my answer was when I do the research and see the exact one I want with the options, I finally found it and pulled the trigger, my only regret was not getting the upgraded Bermester, now I struggle and fiddle with the sound every day, not a big deal, I plan on changing the stock speakers and amps, which is actually cheaper than the upgrade but a hassle.
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The one thing that I can definitely say I am happy with is the upgraded Burmeister Soundsystem. Aside from getting carbon fiber one and two this was a good buy on my end due to the fact that the sound difference is very recognizable.
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I think it really comes down to the purpose of buying this vehicle. If you think you will not be tracking this car a lot, perhaps CCB is not going to be all that important. The bottom line is that there wouldn't be a "perfect" second-hand vehicle so you will just have to decide which compromise you are willing to take (eg. premium sound package over CCB or black over green hell, etc). I do think it is much more practical (financially at least) purchasing a second-hand AMG GTR rather than buying a new one at this point. Hopefully you find the ideal car.
1. Biggest benefit; no brake dust - Worth it for that alone.
2. Longevity - Regular road use places these rotors somewhere between 60-100k miles. It you drive a lot, you can spend as much money of replacing the multi-piece steels. Btw. $9k for CCB's is a bargain, given that the replacement rotors alone are well above $16k
My personal priority for options would be when picking a USED car.
1. The right color. Whatever your personal preference is. You look at the car every day. This should be perfect.
2. CCB's
3. CF - Nice to have, not needed
4. At least the base Burmester, nice to get the High-End Burmester - This is one car where exhaust trumps music
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Some more solid direction and advice. Thanks guys! Still deciding.
As someone who is in finance, let’s just say the last couple weeks in markets has been rocky.
I just wonder if things continue to get worse with the whole coronavirus and impact on the economy, that these cars could be discounted even more leading into the next few weeks to months. Just a hunch and nothing concrete though. My 2 cents if you will.
As someone who is in finance, let’s just say the last couple weeks in markets has been rocky.
I just wonder if things continue to get worse with the whole coronavirus and impact on the economy, that these cars could be discounted even more leading into the next few weeks to months. Just a hunch and nothing concrete though. My 2 cents if you will.
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Some more solid direction and advice. Thanks guys! Still deciding.
As someone who is in finance, let’s just say the last couple weeks in markets has been rocky.
I just wonder if things continue to get worse with the whole coronavirus and impact on the economy, that these cars could be discounted even more leading into the next few weeks to months. Just a hunch and nothing concrete though. My 2 cents if you will.
As someone who is in finance, let’s just say the last couple weeks in markets has been rocky.
I just wonder if things continue to get worse with the whole coronavirus and impact on the economy, that these cars could be discounted even more leading into the next few weeks to months. Just a hunch and nothing concrete though. My 2 cents if you will.
There may not be any 21 cars coming and if they are there won’t be any changes as the next model year 22 will be a ground up redesign shared with the new SL and will have a traditional front engine/trans and be AWD likely with a drift mode like the E63s etc... it’s also likely to be a hybrid of some type as well. I’m sure it will perform very well but will be sterile in comparison to the cars now and certainly the SLS... just have a look at the 992 911... incredible car but no personality.
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try and bargain the hell out of a 20, nothing to lose there but the 19’s are where you will be most successful in my opinion. If you dial down the store that has what you want and you walk in with a cheque your chances are very good they will let it go below what they are asking now. Factory stores have access to corporate cash to help support the deal. Personally I think the window is short 4-6 weeks, once the virus is under control and spring/summer is here I think they won’t have as much trouble moving them. I also wouldn’t count on the Black Series having any effect on demand as those cars will be rationed out and Canada will likely only see a handful and those allocations have likely already been presold by the heavy hitters at the big stores. Not only are Canadian prices descent compared to the rest of the world, corporate stores aren’t allowed to sell new cars over MSRP, but I can’t speak for franchise stores.
There may not be any 21 cars coming and if they are there won’t be any changes as the next model year 22 will be a ground up redesign shared with the new SL and will have a traditional front engine/trans and be AWD likely with a drift mode like the E63s etc... it’s also likely to be a hybrid of some type as well. I’m sure it will perform very well but will be sterile in comparison to the cars now and certainly the SLS... just have a look at the 992 911... incredible car but no personality.
There may not be any 21 cars coming and if they are there won’t be any changes as the next model year 22 will be a ground up redesign shared with the new SL and will have a traditional front engine/trans and be AWD likely with a drift mode like the E63s etc... it’s also likely to be a hybrid of some type as well. I’m sure it will perform very well but will be sterile in comparison to the cars now and certainly the SLS... just have a look at the 992 911... incredible car but no personality.
I will be going back on the hunt. After reading the responses about the Burmester upgraded sound system, the potential candidates out there just got a lot slimmer.
Let’s see how things shake out. It’s been a roller coaster ride these past couple weeks and even more so now, as this whole coronavirus thing may just be cause me (the fiancé) to postpone our wedding/reception. Let’s just say calling off a 450 people wedding and the logistical nightmare for further bookings (venues usually book a year out) has put a spanned in the works for all my plans. As the saying goes, “man plans, god laughs”.
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Next to no gently used 2020’s with high end burmester sound system. There are some 2018 that have them. At this point I’m leaning towards the 2020 because I’m thinking I will lose $20k in depreciation a year with both, might as well try and get a 2020 one for a great deal. The issue now is the options and lack of viable ones with high end sound system.
this is a well priced 2020 in GHM with upgraded burmester but no CCB or carbon packages. Also has full PPF on the car and a radar detector (I assume aftermarket?). They said the best they can do is asking price but including the $2000 shipping to me in the price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
this is a well priced 2020 in GHM with upgraded burmester but no CCB or carbon packages. Also has full PPF on the car and a radar detector (I assume aftermarket?). They said the best they can do is asking price but including the $2000 shipping to me in the price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
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Why would someone buy a car...
Spend another 10-15k, then dump it 6 months later? Doesn’t make sense. The only scenario that makes sense is a young kid playing with family money. Either way I wouldn’t touch this car. You have no idea who did the radar detection install. Could be ok, could be a world of hurt. You get caught with that here it’s expensive.
