So I finally test drove a 2018 GTR and the ride quality was super stiff..
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Next to no gently used 2020’s with high end burmester sound system. There are some 2018 that have them. At this point I’m leaning towards the 2020 because I’m thinking I will lose $20k in depreciation a year with both, might as well try and get a 2020 one for a great deal. The issue now is the options and lack of viable ones with high end sound system.
this is a well priced 2020 in GHM with upgraded burmester but no CCB or carbon packages. Also has full PPF on the car and a radar detector (I assume aftermarket?). They said the best they can do is asking price but including the $2000 shipping to me in the price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
this is a well priced 2020 in GHM with upgraded burmester but no CCB or carbon packages. Also has full PPF on the car and a radar detector (I assume aftermarket?). They said the best they can do is asking price but including the $2000 shipping to me in the price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46633335
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@Razzy this GTR is a steal and it has the High End Burmester. Brand new, asking $169k. You can try for $160-$165k.
These prices are Not going to last. These are a result of overproduction in the 2019MY, and a $20k incentive from MB Canada to clear them out. As @DriveAMG said, 2020MY production was significantly cut, and that will likely continue in 2021, then production ends.
The Black Series will do nothing to lower prices - we are looking at 5 cars in Canada, and it would cost around $400k.
Saw this 2019 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPad app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46565950
or this one:
Saw this 2019 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPad app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-42477012
I’m sure they will match the discount on the other one. You should be able to get 20-23% off MSRP on a brand new 2019. Good luck!
These prices are Not going to last. These are a result of overproduction in the 2019MY, and a $20k incentive from MB Canada to clear them out. As @DriveAMG said, 2020MY production was significantly cut, and that will likely continue in 2021, then production ends.
The Black Series will do nothing to lower prices - we are looking at 5 cars in Canada, and it would cost around $400k.
Saw this 2019 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPad app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-46565950
or this one:
Saw this 2019 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R on autoTRADER.ca's iPad app
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-42477012
I’m sure they will match the discount on the other one. You should be able to get 20-23% off MSRP on a brand new 2019. Good luck!
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You can buy a brand new 2019 GTR for considerably less than this used 2020, there’s no way I would buy a used 2020 (and one look at that center console and I’m turned off — but that’s just me perhaps!).
Time to pull the trigger @Razzy ! (Just kidding... but you don’t want to regret it when the world comes back and they are offering you a special deal of $5000 off a new GT, which is the way it was until the overproduction of 2019). Dealer margin is now 7% on these cars, so the best you can get normally is 3-4% off.
Time to pull the trigger @Razzy ! (Just kidding... but you don’t want to regret it when the world comes back and they are offering you a special deal of $5000 off a new GT, which is the way it was until the overproduction of 2019). Dealer margin is now 7% on these cars, so the best you can get normally is 3-4% off.
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try and bargain the hell out of a 20, nothing to lose there but the 19’s are where you will be most successful in my opinion. If you dial down the store that has what you want and you walk in with a cheque your chances are very good they will let it go below what they are asking now. Factory stores have access to corporate cash to help support the deal. Personally I think the window is short 4-6 weeks, once the virus is under control and spring/summer is here I think they won’t have as much trouble moving them. I also wouldn’t count on the Black Series having any effect on demand as those cars will be rationed out and Canada will likely only see a handful and those allocations have likely already been presold by the heavy hitters at the big stores. Not only are Canadian prices descent compared to the rest of the world, corporate stores aren’t allowed to sell new cars over MSRP, but I can’t speak for franchise stores.
There may not be any 21 cars coming and if they are there won’t be any changes as the next model year 22 will be a ground up redesign shared with the new SL and will have a traditional front engine/trans and be AWD likely with a drift mode like the E63s etc... it’s also likely to be a hybrid of some type as well. I’m sure it will perform very well but will be sterile in comparison to the cars now and certainly the SLS... just have a look at the 992 911... incredible car but no personality.
There may not be any 21 cars coming and if they are there won’t be any changes as the next model year 22 will be a ground up redesign shared with the new SL and will have a traditional front engine/trans and be AWD likely with a drift mode like the E63s etc... it’s also likely to be a hybrid of some type as well. I’m sure it will perform very well but will be sterile in comparison to the cars now and certainly the SLS... just have a look at the 992 911... incredible car but no personality.
First off, a dealer makes less money when somebody pays for the car. This is neither leverage nor incentive. Reason is that Mercedes has a profit sharing model on financing/lease mark-ups, at least in the US.
Also, if there is no trunk money from Mercedes available for the dealer, the dealer looses money below triple-net (12% or so, Vic will know better). The dealer knows what the car costs on a monthly basis and their upcoming allocations. If 21's are as rare as everyone says, there is very little incentive to blow it out at a loss today. These cars move better in warmer weather anyways.
The wild card here is the Covid-19. Deep dive or quick normalization. Crazy things can happen. Personally wouldn't look for a car unless it's a crazy deal you just can't say no to
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Things must really be different in Canada!
First off, a dealer makes less money when somebody pays for the car. This is neither leverage nor incentive. Reason is that Mercedes has a profit sharing model on financing/lease mark-ups, at least in the US.
Also, if there is no trunk money from Mercedes available for the dealer, the dealer looses money below triple-net (12% or so, Vic will know better). The dealer knows what the car costs on a monthly basis and their upcoming allocations. If 21's are as rare as everyone says, there is very little incentive to blow it out at a loss today. These cars move better in warmer weather anyways.
The wild card here is the Covid-19. Deep dive or quick normalization. Crazy things can happen. Personally wouldn't look for a car unless it's a crazy deal you just can't say no to
First off, a dealer makes less money when somebody pays for the car. This is neither leverage nor incentive. Reason is that Mercedes has a profit sharing model on financing/lease mark-ups, at least in the US.
Also, if there is no trunk money from Mercedes available for the dealer, the dealer looses money below triple-net (12% or so, Vic will know better). The dealer knows what the car costs on a monthly basis and their upcoming allocations. If 21's are as rare as everyone says, there is very little incentive to blow it out at a loss today. These cars move better in warmer weather anyways.
The wild card here is the Covid-19. Deep dive or quick normalization. Crazy things can happen. Personally wouldn't look for a car unless it's a crazy deal you just can't say no to
It's true that financing gives the dealer more money, if HQ gives them a cut of the interest - not sure if that's the case.
Also true is that Canadian dealers do not sell over MSRP.
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Things used to be a bit different
Things must really be different in Canada!
First off, a dealer makes less money when somebody pays for the car. This is neither leverage nor incentive. Reason is that Mercedes has a profit sharing model on financing/lease mark-ups, at least in the US.
Also, if there is no trunk money from Mercedes available for the dealer, the dealer looses money below triple-net (12% or so, Vic will know better). The dealer knows what the car costs on a monthly basis and their upcoming allocations. If 21's are as rare as everyone says, there is very little incentive to blow it out at a loss today. These cars move better in warmer weather anyways.
The wild card here is the Covid-19. Deep dive or quick normalization. Crazy things can happen. Personally wouldn't look for a car unless it's a crazy deal you just can't say no to
First off, a dealer makes less money when somebody pays for the car. This is neither leverage nor incentive. Reason is that Mercedes has a profit sharing model on financing/lease mark-ups, at least in the US.
Also, if there is no trunk money from Mercedes available for the dealer, the dealer looses money below triple-net (12% or so, Vic will know better). The dealer knows what the car costs on a monthly basis and their upcoming allocations. If 21's are as rare as everyone says, there is very little incentive to blow it out at a loss today. These cars move better in warmer weather anyways.
The wild card here is the Covid-19. Deep dive or quick normalization. Crazy things can happen. Personally wouldn't look for a car unless it's a crazy deal you just can't say no to
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all dealers (franchise and corporate) get paid from the finance source. But about a year ago corporate kissed off all external financing with outside banking and only use MBFS. Financing with MBFS costs the dealer in some instances such as loyalty and pull ahead and in others they get paid something. External banks paid quite nicely for their deals. Gross profit used to be 8% and now is 7%... corporate Stores always call on head office for trunk money. They will move the 19’s if you show up with a cheque. Guaranteed.
No cheque needed. Those cars have already burned a hole into the pocket and MB has incentives on them.
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On a related note, I've been to a few corporate stores in Toronto and the service has been Atrocious! Would not touch a corporate store with my business.
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I agree
but franchises can scare things up big time too... I’m grateful I have been with the same advisor for 8 plus years. I treat him like gold and he treats me the same. The love affair is mutual. At least it appears that way lol. Relationships are important.
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Totally. I only take my cars to one service tech and one service advisor!
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Hi Razzy,
Things to consider:
I know this has been put on hold due to the Coronavirus crisis, but the Canadian Government was supposed to introduce the new luxury tax (10% for all vehicles > $100,000). Definitely beware of it before you purchase.
Also, given the recent change of CAD (significantly lower), I wouldn't be surprised that MB Canada will increase the price of all the new cars (unsure if they will do it soon or towards 2021). Hence, this might affect the second hand market.
Obviously, I don't know how they will affect the market either way as the Coronavirus crisis is certainly progressing at a fast rate.
Things to consider:
I know this has been put on hold due to the Coronavirus crisis, but the Canadian Government was supposed to introduce the new luxury tax (10% for all vehicles > $100,000). Definitely beware of it before you purchase.
Also, given the recent change of CAD (significantly lower), I wouldn't be surprised that MB Canada will increase the price of all the new cars (unsure if they will do it soon or towards 2021). Hence, this might affect the second hand market.
Obviously, I don't know how they will affect the market either way as the Coronavirus crisis is certainly progressing at a fast rate.
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Hi Razzy,
Things to consider:
I know this has been put on hold due to the Coronavirus crisis, but the Canadian Government was supposed to introduce the new luxury tax (10% for all vehicles > $100,000). Definitely beware of it before you purchase.
Also, given the recent change of CAD (significantly lower), I wouldn't be surprised that MB Canada will increase the price of all the new cars (unsure if they will do it soon or towards 2021). Hence, this might affect the second hand market.
Obviously, I don't know how they will affect the market either way as the Coronavirus crisis is certainly progressing at a fast rate.
Things to consider:
I know this has been put on hold due to the Coronavirus crisis, but the Canadian Government was supposed to introduce the new luxury tax (10% for all vehicles > $100,000). Definitely beware of it before you purchase.
Also, given the recent change of CAD (significantly lower), I wouldn't be surprised that MB Canada will increase the price of all the new cars (unsure if they will do it soon or towards 2021). Hence, this might affect the second hand market.
Obviously, I don't know how they will affect the market either way as the Coronavirus crisis is certainly progressing at a fast rate.
You guys in BC got royally F*CKED - 25% tax on cars over $150K! Are you kidding?! But that’s what you get for voting in the NDP. No good can come from a socialist party.
Not only is it 25%, but the 5% GST is now calculated on top of the 20%. So it’s really 26%.
Same $150k car in Ontario would be $169,500 vs. $189k in BC. A solid $20k more.
So now I see why there are more GTs sitting on lots in BC...
But, no worries buying a car from BC. You 100% do not pay the PST if you are not registering it in BC.
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The “used” car factory doesn’t exist just give it some time and you will find your car. And just follow the guidelines regarding curing ride problems, such as tire pressure and maybe Aftermarket coils and you’ll be fine.
Driving my GT right now is a down right pleasure it’s amazing what a transformation renntech coilovers have been.
Driving my GT right now is a down right pleasure it’s amazing what a transformation renntech coilovers have been.
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I would look at 2019s over 2020s. The 2019s sound better (Sport+ has been significantly muted with the 2020s, so you don’t get the highly entertaining pops/backfires), the center console is much nicer pre-facelift, and there are no other changes (aside from the dash, steering wheel, and front camera - which I don’t care for). Most buyers will understand and appreciate this when it comes time to sell. And the analogue dash will be a selling feature in the future, trust me. The front camera is not a 360 camera, which is what the GT really needs. I find no issue navigating the car in downtown Toronto parking garages, the 4 wheel steering makes a huge difference. I set the driver’s seat as high as it will go, and can see the front end a lot better. I keep this as Preset 3 for the seat memory. CarPlay is nice to have, but I have the iPhone mounted on the windshield and there are benefits to having the car’s screen showing separate content from CarPlay. And a really convenient feature of the 2019 (not sure about 2018 and earlier), is that you can hold the steering wheel talk button and it will launch Siri. From there, you can control your iPhone. So you don’t have to touch the iPhone to use it.
All the slightly used 2020 cars I’m seeing now are a a compromise. Some will be plain black with CCB and carbon packs but no upgraded sound system. Others will have the upgraded sound system but not have CCB.
If I am to prioritize, I would presume CCB takes precedent with the carbon packs being second and closely followed by the upgraded sound system.
I shall keep you all in the loop as to how things go in the coming weeks. So much volatility in markets, my personal life and car life (lol). What a time to be alive I guess.
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The way I’m looking at it, if I’m spending $160k+ and 13% on a 2018 or 2019 (my assumption is they are very much the same), then I rather fork out another $20k for a 2020 and get all the updated bells and whistles. I will lose some of the aural pleasure but make up for it in a more updated dash. I personally felt the dash on the 2018 GTR I was about to buy to be semi decent. Kind of reminded me a bit too much of my W204 C63.
All the slightly used 2020 cars I’m seeing now are a a compromise. Some will be plain black with CCB and carbon packs but no upgraded sound system. Others will have the upgraded sound system but not have CCB.
If I am to prioritize, I would presume CCB takes precedent with the carbon packs being second and closely followed by the upgraded sound system.
I shall keep you all in the loop as to how things go in the coming weeks. So much volatility in markets, my personal life and car life (lol). What a time to be alive I guess.
All the slightly used 2020 cars I’m seeing now are a a compromise. Some will be plain black with CCB and carbon packs but no upgraded sound system. Others will have the upgraded sound system but not have CCB.
If I am to prioritize, I would presume CCB takes precedent with the carbon packs being second and closely followed by the upgraded sound system.
I shall keep you all in the loop as to how things go in the coming weeks. So much volatility in markets, my personal life and car life (lol). What a time to be alive I guess.
I would not get the carbon brakes, unless I was comfortable with the cost of replacing the rotors, which is about $30k CAD for 2 rotors. The issue is that the rotors are fragile - one stone chip, while rare, could nick a rotor. Or a tire wheel change... And if that happens you need 2 new rotors.
CCBs are also not the best for track racing — yes, they are, performance wise, but most hard core track guys use steel brakes, because of the replacement cost. While CCBs will last ~100k miles with street use, they will not last more than a few track sessions (2-3X longer than steel, approx.), so you’re looking at big costs to replace.
I would get CCBs for street driving, mostly because of the brake dust, and because they look cool. The standard steel brakes on the GTC are phenomenal. They also should improve the ride, because of the lower weight. But I would always be nervous that a $30k repair can come out of nowhere...
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Makes sense. In that case I would go for the black 2020 GTR with the upgraded Burmester, asking $169k.
I would not get the carbon brakes, unless I was comfortable with the cost of replacing the rotors, which is about $30k CAD for 2 rotors. The issue is that the rotors are fragile - one stone chip, while rare, could nick a rotor. Or a tire wheel change... And if that happens you need 2 new rotors.
CCBs are also not the best for track racing — yes, they are, performance wise, but most hard core track guys use steel brakes, because of the replacement cost. While CCBs will last ~100k miles with street use, they will not last more than a few track sessions (2-3X longer than steel, approx.), so you’re looking at big costs to replace.
I would get CCBs for street driving, mostly because of the brake dust, and because they look cool. The standard steel brakes on the GTC are phenomenal. They also should improve the ride, because of the lower weight. But I would always be nervous that a $30k repair can come out of nowhere...
I would not get the carbon brakes, unless I was comfortable with the cost of replacing the rotors, which is about $30k CAD for 2 rotors. The issue is that the rotors are fragile - one stone chip, while rare, could nick a rotor. Or a tire wheel change... And if that happens you need 2 new rotors.
CCBs are also not the best for track racing — yes, they are, performance wise, but most hard core track guys use steel brakes, because of the replacement cost. While CCBs will last ~100k miles with street use, they will not last more than a few track sessions (2-3X longer than steel, approx.), so you’re looking at big costs to replace.
I would get CCBs for street driving, mostly because of the brake dust, and because they look cool. The standard steel brakes on the GTC are phenomenal. They also should improve the ride, because of the lower weight. But I would always be nervous that a $30k repair can come out of nowhere...
Thanks Surge for the insights. Back to the drawing board I guess!
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Makes sense. In that case I would go for the black 2020 GTR with the upgraded Burmester, asking $169k.
I would not get the carbon brakes, unless I was comfortable with the cost of replacing the rotors, which is about $30k CAD for 2 rotors. The issue is that the rotors are fragile - one stone chip, while rare, could nick a rotor. Or a tire wheel change... And if that happens you need 2 new rotors.
CCBs are also not the best for track racing — yes, they are, performance wise, but most hard core track guys use steel brakes, because of the replacement cost. While CCBs will last ~100k miles with street use, they will not last more than a few track sessions (2-3X longer than steel, approx.), so you’re looking at big costs to replace.
I would get CCBs for street driving, mostly because of the brake dust, and because they look cool. The standard steel brakes on the GTC are phenomenal. They also should improve the ride, because of the lower weight. But I would always be nervous that a $30k repair can come out of nowhere...
I would not get the carbon brakes, unless I was comfortable with the cost of replacing the rotors, which is about $30k CAD for 2 rotors. The issue is that the rotors are fragile - one stone chip, while rare, could nick a rotor. Or a tire wheel change... And if that happens you need 2 new rotors.
CCBs are also not the best for track racing — yes, they are, performance wise, but most hard core track guys use steel brakes, because of the replacement cost. While CCBs will last ~100k miles with street use, they will not last more than a few track sessions (2-3X longer than steel, approx.), so you’re looking at big costs to replace.
I would get CCBs for street driving, mostly because of the brake dust, and because they look cool. The standard steel brakes on the GTC are phenomenal. They also should improve the ride, because of the lower weight. But I would always be nervous that a $30k repair can come out of nowhere...
Coincidently, I had the front rotors of our E63s replaced (same rotors/brakes) due to manufacturing flaw. This was around $9k for both fronts. Covered under warranty as it wasn't a wear/use issue.
Besides that one haven't heard from anyone having issues with CCB's for road use (actually ever). Even if rotors chip which likely happens more in the shop than on the road, the likelihood is high that you can use them as usual without impact.
Also, there is no need for two rotors at a time...
Plus CCB's can be reconditioned to better than new (stronger bond) by a company in Germany for about $1600 a pop.
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Most race shops will agree it’s cheaper to run steel rotors vs CCB. The cost is not as high as Surge Mentioned but still high nonetheless. This is compounded by people not knowing how to break them in or use them properly. I agree for street use they are best but up here they are very expensive at almost $14,000 CAD as an option at time of purchase.
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Most race shops will agree it’s cheaper to run steel rotors vs CCB. The cost is not as high as Surge Mentioned but still high nonetheless. This is compounded by people not knowing how to break them in or use them properly. I agree for street use they are best but up here they are very expensive at almost $14,000 CAD as an option at time of purchase.
That said, who cares for a used car? The first owner took the biggest hit on these options anyway and they become a bargain for the next one. My personal preference are the CCB over CF as one is pretty and the other has functional value. In the US, the CF packages cost more than the CCB's.
Also just concerned that the info here is accurate for consumption...
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I agree completely
I am strictly looking at road use as it relates to the OP. Can't speak about Canadian pricing as you guys are lucky in getting the same metal for less than we do.
That said, who cares for a used car? The first owner took the biggest hit on these options anyway and they become a bargain for the next one. My personal preference are the CCB over CF as one is pretty and the other has functional value. In the US, the CF packages cost more than the CCB's.
Also just concerned that the info here is accurate for consumption...
That said, who cares for a used car? The first owner took the biggest hit on these options anyway and they become a bargain for the next one. My personal preference are the CCB over CF as one is pretty and the other has functional value. In the US, the CF packages cost more than the CCB's.
Also just concerned that the info here is accurate for consumption...
not my intention to stray off course. Merely passing in my experience with CCB’s. I know that CCB’s are actually of no extra value when a car is taken in on trade here locally at least. This local fact still doesn’t negate the actual cost of ownership and the possibility of warranty replacement is possible but unlikely unless the problem is specific as in Wolfman’s case.
In the end the OP can’t go wrong either way.
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If the car is used and has CCBs, definitely inspect the rotors carefully before buying.
I don't know about reconditioning services; but makes sense.
I researched them heavily for a 911 I was going to order. Brembo supplies both Porsche and Mercedes. Buying just the rotors from a US online store will run you USD11,000, that doesn't include labor or pads.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/produc...735203201.html
Getting these to Canada will end up being about CAD20,000. Add pads and labour, and you're not quite at $30k, you're right; but it would be close to $25k.
Compare this to about $1000 USD for a pair of OEM steel rotors and pads...
I don't know about reconditioning services; but makes sense.
I researched them heavily for a 911 I was going to order. Brembo supplies both Porsche and Mercedes. Buying just the rotors from a US online store will run you USD11,000, that doesn't include labor or pads.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/produc...735203201.html
Getting these to Canada will end up being about CAD20,000. Add pads and labour, and you're not quite at $30k, you're right; but it would be close to $25k.
Compare this to about $1000 USD for a pair of OEM steel rotors and pads...
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If the car is used and has CCBs, definitely inspect the rotors carefully before buying.
I don't know about reconditioning services; but makes sense.
I researched them heavily for a 911 I was going to order. Brembo supplies both Porsche and Mercedes. Buying just the rotors from a US online store will run you USD11,000, that doesn't include labor or pads.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/produc...735203201.html
Getting these to Canada will end up being about CAD20,000. Add pads and labour, and you're not quite at $30k, you're right; but it would be close to $25k.
Compare this to about $1000 USD for a pair of OEM steel rotors and pads...
I don't know about reconditioning services; but makes sense.
I researched them heavily for a 911 I was going to order. Brembo supplies both Porsche and Mercedes. Buying just the rotors from a US online store will run you USD11,000, that doesn't include labor or pads.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/produc...735203201.html
Getting these to Canada will end up being about CAD20,000. Add pads and labour, and you're not quite at $30k, you're right; but it would be close to $25k.
Compare this to about $1000 USD for a pair of OEM steel rotors and pads...
