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The problem with the GT BS when comparing it to a GT2 RS; 720S, etc. is that the BS is always going to be traction limited and heavier than it’s natural rivals, hence the 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times may well suffer. On a road course it will be killer, but again, can it beat the 2 RS time on the N’ring, which seems to nowadays be the benchmark.
It no doubt will be so much fun on a road course, but I fear that at $275K?, the number of owners willing to use it in the fashion for which it was designed is going to be tiny. Hope I’m wrong.
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It no doubt will be so much fun on a road course, but I fear that at $275K?, the number of owners willing to use it in the fashion for which it was designed is going to be tiny. Hope I’m wrong.
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I am considering a local GT2RS if the announcement is not going to meet my expectations.
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Latest news. The same engine as in the GTR Pro ( 4 liter Bi-turbo ), but with more powerful turbines. 720-750 horsepower. Those cars that are tested at the Nürburgring are ready. They are finalizing aerodynamics. Since the front spoiler and rear wing do not work correctly. Not enough downforce.
In general, the machine is completely ready. Due to the coronavirus, the premiere and the first cars will be around March 2021.
In general, the machine is completely ready. Due to the coronavirus, the premiere and the first cars will be around March 2021.
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I think it’s nonsensical to expect a completely different car than the rest of the GT line-up. The BS traditionally have the the quickest hardcore version of a 2 door AMG model, marking the end of the production. Simple as that.
Don’t think there’s critical importance how fast the car is 0-60; this car will likely be beat by a Taycan without making a beep. Plus if the car is only $275k, it is priced well below the average 720S, 488 or Huracan.
Many of these cars will be sold on rarity, it’s extreme design and hopefully sound. Expect it will appreciate like the SLS BS as well.
Don’t think there’s critical importance how fast the car is 0-60; this car will likely be beat by a Taycan without making a beep. Plus if the car is only $275k, it is priced well below the average 720S, 488 or Huracan.
Many of these cars will be sold on rarity, it’s extreme design and hopefully sound. Expect it will appreciate like the SLS BS as well.
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Latest news. The same engine as in the GTR Pro ( 4 liter Bi-turbo ), but with more powerful turbines. 720-750 horsepower. Those cars that are tested at the Nürburgring are ready. They are finalizing aerodynamics. Since the front spoiler and rear wing do not work correctly. Not enough downforce.
In general, the machine is completely ready. Due to the coronavirus, the premiere and the first cars will be around March 2021.
In general, the machine is completely ready. Due to the coronavirus, the premiere and the first cars will be around March 2021.
Your post isn't clear. Completely ready but the aero front and back doesn't work? Are you saying the motor is a bigger turbo GTR Pro with 720 + Hp.
Doesn't make sense as the BS will have a flat plane crank which is a different motor than the Pro.
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GTR engine would be a contradiction of what Moers said when he emphatically stated the BS engine will be something AMG has never done before.
Larger turbos do not qualify for that.
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There's been quite a few social media post from Mercedes lately talking about the electric assist turbo they are putting on a 4cyl. This might make sense with the F1 connection, I don't believe its been done yet.
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As I see the new BS there are three different interest levels. Those purists that will buy it for the cachet regardless of the price and keep it as a garage queen bragging about he the Ring time. Track rats like myself that want to go pound other makes on the track with something other than a Porsche. Then the keyboard racers that will continue to compare it to other makes always making a stupid argument that something else is better on the street or has more dyno hp or the new Corvette Zo6 is better. This is a never ending saga on the internet.
With the entire focus on the Ring time AMG may have missed one of the most important performance criteria. How is it going to do on the street? Not advocating street racing but street cred. At a price point of $300K there are a lot of street thugs (Huracan, McLaren, oh and Porsche Turbo's) that will want a taste.
With the entire focus on the Ring time AMG may have missed one of the most important performance criteria. How is it going to do on the street? Not advocating street racing but street cred. At a price point of $300K there are a lot of street thugs (Huracan, McLaren, oh and Porsche Turbo's) that will want a taste.
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As I see the new BS there are three different interest levels. Those purists that will buy it for the cachet regardless of the price and keep it as a garage queen bragging about he the Ring time. Track rats like myself that want to go pound other makes on the track with something other than a Porsche. Then the keyboard racers that will continue to compare it to other makes always making a stupid argument that something else is better on the street or has more dyno hp or the new Corvette Zo6 is better. This is a never ending saga on the internet.
With the entire focus on the Ring time AMG may have missed one of the most important performance criteria. How is it going to do on the street? Not advocating street racing but street cred. At a price point of $300K there are a lot of street thugs (Huracan, McLaren, oh and Porsche Turbo's) that will want a taste.
With the entire focus on the Ring time AMG may have missed one of the most important performance criteria. How is it going to do on the street? Not advocating street racing but street cred. At a price point of $300K there are a lot of street thugs (Huracan, McLaren, oh and Porsche Turbo's) that will want a taste.
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you are right that 99% of the buyers don't care and most bought it for the exclusivity of the car, benchmarking it at the local club or to make money in the future. A shame IMHO.
I am one of the few that explore the limits of the toy I buy and that includes rallies, dragstrip and track. I am on my third AMG and would have loved a BS.
I am not that concerned about 1 or 2 tenths but when the car is simply not able to compete with its rivals, I believe AMG will lose a lot of customers. After all, it is a performance oriented car and straight line performance is a benchmark most people still look at...
I am one of the few that explore the limits of the toy I buy and that includes rallies, dragstrip and track. I am on my third AMG and would have loved a BS.
I am not that concerned about 1 or 2 tenths but when the car is simply not able to compete with its rivals, I believe AMG will lose a lot of customers. After all, it is a performance oriented car and straight line performance is a benchmark most people still look at...
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I'm not sure you understand what flat plane crank means!
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I do not care. I just pass on what they told me. Wait for the official information. If you have other information, share it. You probably know better.
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Englisch: 4.0l V8 Biturbo ( M177.980 ) with a Flat-Plane Crankshaft
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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/21/...-turbocharger/
The above link has a well described article of the turbo chargers that will be on the Black series.. to the best of my knowledge, BorgWarner is the Mercedes vendor for the units.. I suspect the new turbo's will also be larger (similar to the turbo's which are providing boost in the 760hp range) ... In a discussion with an AMG contact, he also indicated that the new series of turbo's would be seen on various other models down the road... the info on the link indicated strong power and torque increase's as well as fuel savings.. all very important metrics in engine modeling..
I also made a remark regarding the flat plane crank and got no acknowledgement ... I would think that the current GT4 race engine would already have a flat plane crank if deemed to be an improvement.. maybe someone knows if that is possible or not.. ,
if the new turbo's provide the response the article indicates we are going to have some very quick AMG products coming our way...
The above link has a well described article of the turbo chargers that will be on the Black series.. to the best of my knowledge, BorgWarner is the Mercedes vendor for the units.. I suspect the new turbo's will also be larger (similar to the turbo's which are providing boost in the 760hp range) ... In a discussion with an AMG contact, he also indicated that the new series of turbo's would be seen on various other models down the road... the info on the link indicated strong power and torque increase's as well as fuel savings.. all very important metrics in engine modeling..
I also made a remark regarding the flat plane crank and got no acknowledgement ... I would think that the current GT4 race engine would already have a flat plane crank if deemed to be an improvement.. maybe someone knows if that is possible or not.. ,
if the new turbo's provide the response the article indicates we are going to have some very quick AMG products coming our way...
