I wanted to order a new GTC. Dealership said they could get a 2021 if I liked the color and options already on it. I don't. They said they don't believe Mercedes will be building a 2022 GTC? Anyone know if this is true?

 

Yes, it's true. There will be a new GT in 2023.

 

Thanks. I was poking around the web.. Seems there will be a new SL that will replace the GT..? We'll have to see. Spy photo's aren't impressive. The current SL doesn't come close to the GTC in my opinion..

 

New SL replaces old SL. AMG models only. We haven't seen the new GT yet.

 

Found these:
Mercedes has confirmed that the forthcoming SL Roadster developed by AMG will effectively replace the AMG GT Roadster.Apr 5, 2021

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...mg-gt-roadster

 

The roadster only, not the coupe.

 

Hi,

found this:

The SL and AMG GT have a completely new drive layout without a transaxle design but with a 4-cylinder, 4matic + and plug-in hybrid. The production of the current SL (R231) and SLC (R172) in Bremen has just ended. The demand for open vehicles has shifted towards SUVs. Not only will the S-Class Coupé and Cabrio be phased out in autumn. The merging of the C-Class with the E-Class Coupé or Cabrio to form the CLE (quasi a CLK successor) is under discussion. However, the SL is lucky and is almost finished developing. It is being developed by AMG on a joint platform with the new AMG GT (modular sport architecture). The clay models give an outlook on the new AMG GT. Mercedes - AMG GT Coupé from 2022

The current AMG GT Coupé was presented at the 2014 Paris Motor Show. Its successor is due to hit the market shortly after the new SL (R232) in 2022. The SL will be able to visit customers as early as 2021. Mercedes-AMG introduced the transaxle design with the SLS (C / R197). It was transferred to the AMG GT Coupé / Roadster (C / R 190) in 2014.

With the new MSA platform, the SL (2021) and AMG GT (2022) are moving back towards series production. Mercedes - AMG GT Coupé rear view (2022) Due to the transaxle design, the gearbox is on the rear axle and the motor is connected to the gearbox by means of a torque tube. This layout is lighter than an all-wheel drive but has a better weight distribution that guarantees good mechanical traction. So you can achieve acceleration values ​​under 4.0s to 100 km / h. The disadvantage for Mercedes-AMG, however, was that you could not fall back on the proven Mercedes automatic transmission, since the housing of the NAG2 or NAG3 (9G-Tronic) is not suitable for a transaxle installation constellation. Mercedes-AMG therefore relied on the 7-speed dual clutch transmission from Getrag. It is also used, for example, in various Ferrari models. However, Mercedes AMG struggled with the application in the first years of the SLS. Switching commands using the rocker switch were not immediately executed. The Getrag gearbox also restricts the maximum input torque here. Mercedes-AMG SLS C197 The transaxle design was introduced with the SLS AMG in 2009

With the new MSA platform, the AMG GT returns to the 9G-Tronic. Since the 9G-Tronic is flanged directly to the engine again, these fabulous acceleration values ​​would no longer be possible. This is why the 4matic + all-wheel drive with torque on demand (variable distribution between the front and rear axles), known from the E 63 AMG 4matic +, is used for the first time in the AMG GT and the new SL. This also generates the fantastic acceleration values ​​in the range of 3.5s to 100 km / h. Due to the all-wheel drive, however, the engine is installed a little higher than in the current AMG GT. It is therefore possible that dry sump lubrication is not necessary and is not applicable. Drift mode (pure rear-wheel drive) has been adopted from the E 63 for fans of well-groomed drifts. Due to the identical platform, the new SL is lighter and more geared towards sport. It is questionable whether an AMG GT Roadster will appear later. The SL and AMG GT are currently set. For the first time ever, the SL will have a soft top again. Both models will then also receive the new MBUX system.

The engine line-up will be identical for both models: SL 43 AMG (232.450) / AMG GT 43 Coupé: As in the C 43 AMG 4matic +, the new M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder with 390 hp and overboost is used here. In addition, it has the new AMG E-Turbo of the medium 8 HP E-machine (48 volts) on the turbocharger shaft to fill the turbo lag. A 48 volt 20 PS ISG (integrated starter generator) sits in the bell housing. The use of a 4-cylinder may come as a surprise, but the current Jaguar F-Type P300 also uses 4-cylinders. SL 53 4matic + (232.451) / AMG GT 53 4matic + Coupé: The setting here is similar to that of the 43. Here, however, the M139 4-cylinder is used. Coupled here with the electric AMG turbocharger and here also with the variable 4matic + all-wheel drive. The power is around 450 hp. Instead of a 48 volt ISG with 20 HP, a 400 volt ISG version could be used here. SL 53e 4matic + (232.452) / AMG GT 53e 4matic + Coupé: The concept was already hotly debated for the C 63e S 4matic +. The M139 4-cylinder petrol engine is used. The 9G-Tronic with 4matic + distributes the power to all 4 wheels (fully variable between the front and rear axles). There is also an electric motor (P3 layout) on the rear axle. The electric range will be around 60 km. The system performance at slightly over 500 hp. SL 63 4matic + (232.481) / AMG GT 63 4matic + Coupé: This engine combination is already well known. M177 4.0 liter V8 BiTurbo combined with a 21 hp ISG (48 volt) and 612 hp from the combustion engine


Kind regards

Stenzel

 

But I wanted the roadster...

I must be old school... Article says people are moving away from roadsters and more towards SUV's. Why can't we have both...

 

As is with all car makers, make one platform to have 5 models to be able to use.

 

I just took delivery of my 2021 GTC (White on white with night package and carbon fibre). Mine was the last GTC to be delivered in Canada and unfortunately the world will not see another. The Black series will persist for a while, but they will be exceedingly rare and mostly intended for track hobbyists. The much better-selling SL series has been re-invigorated and built upon the GT platform - but it will be promoted as a gentrified sports cruiser rather than a sports car or a supercar like its GT series progenitor. G Wagons are getting more expensive as well - no redesign impending for them, but the price went up by about 30%, and this had no impact upon the demand for them worldwide. I take delivery of my 2021 G63 in a couple of weeks and I think I might just keep it. I think I'll keep my new GTC as well and won't be turning either of these awesome vehicles over. Together, they represent the "automotive dream team" for me. My wife's automotive dream team is her MY21 GLE63S, and she is probably going to buy an Audi TTRS because there is nothing really like it made by any other manufacturer.

It looks like Mercedes if getting out of the Supercar business except for their black series GT, which will be very rare. They are also leaving the "sports car market" as well. Small wonder - the combination of market demand and the upcoming push to electrification is going to make some relatively rapid waves in model design and availability for all manufacturers over the next decade. Personally, I am excited to see how car manufacturers whip battery technology into shape to respond to this demand for electrification. The most exciting advances seem to be coming from GM, which has almost doubled battery potential by eliminating wired battery sensors as well as increasing the compactness and efficiency of battery technology in their upcoming electrification series of vehicles. I'm sure that they Germans won't be out-done......

 

The SL's didn't sell well at all, at least the last iteration. The AMG GT series (all models) sold well over twice as many SL's. FWIW, the SL63 & SL63e/SL73 will be quite a bit quicker than any AMG GT model; I just don't think it will be as agile...

 

People want what they can't have. The open top GT's will hold their value or appreciate for quite a while.

 

I agree with everything you said. I have had SL's in the past, great cars no doubt. SL65 was one of my favorite cars that I have had. But the GTS was and is a an animal like no other IMHO. In the wild it cant be mistaken for anything else, it was and still is unique.
I am sure the new SL/GT will be more powerful and more efficient and will run circles around the original GTS and have better traction etc etc. But I think Mercedes and AMG have gone done a doo doo move by keeping the SL moniker alive and are trying to combine the GT and SL brand as one is a real dumb move. I am keeping my GTS and I am sure the new adaptation of this platform will be so much faster than my car, but they will never be what AMG (I thought) was doing with the GTS in the first place.
I dont know lads, MBZ has put alot of thought into this move and we shall see how it works out for them and their bottom line, which is what its all about for them.

 

Am sure MB will see this differently The SL nameplate is the most iconic for the brand even though they didn't leverage very well in a while. The SLS was a throwback to the original SL and the AMG GT is based on that. Unlike the coupe, the AMG GT roadsters didn't sell well so using the SL moniker will be a better fit. AMG Hardcore reserved for the GT coupe and the softer, more luxurious approach for the convertible.
I think that will work well even though I really hate the idea of useless rear seats and the corresponding manual detachable rear windscreen.

 

Definitely going to need to hang on to my 2018 GT C Roadster.

 

Speaking for someone in the market for a GTC roadster, that doesn’t work for me. I think MB is making a huge mistake.

 

How many GT-S,C and R, verts produced over the GTs run?

 

Hi,

The new SL (including the new GT) will definitely be sportier than the old SL (BR232). I think he will be less overweight.

AMG will have to do a balancing act here. The SL buyer likes luxury, a comfortable chassis, paired with "performance". The GT buyer likes it rather uncompromisingly sporty.
Can that be done on a platform? Think only with compromises on both sides or one side.

The new generation has the technology of a sportful limosine again. So in the area of 63S Coupes / GT 4 door.
One cannot speak of slow here either. Maybe less weight? Shure, will find his fans.

Will the new generation be sportier than the current GT (BR190)?
Perhaps by 0 - 60 when accelerating. Four wheel drive, more torque are great things.

But never on the racetrack. The GT (BR190) family is a supercar construction.
Weight, center of gravity, weight distribution, wheel guidance, track width, dry sump, etc.

A small engine tuning. Remove all luxury equipment and you have a 3100lps GT4 racing car with 4lps/hp.
Well at least almost :-).


Kind regards

Stenzel

 

I haven't found any statistical model breakdowns but my gut check is that roadsters likely comprised of 20% or so of all models. GTR, etc. 10%. The predominant model was the GTS before it was retired.