Renntech TCU tune
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Renntech TCU tune
Was wondering if anyone has tried this. Seems like it would be a great bang for the buck. I did read a thread that says it was only available for AWD models (not C190) but not sure if this has been expanded to include the coupes/roadsters.
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01-03-2023, 09:46 PM
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Good Evening Gents,
In regards to our TCU tune, link is below.
https://www.premiertuninggroup.com/c...cu-calibration
The process is quite long and we will try to make it as concise as possible. Excuse the rather long reply.
We have done extensive R&D on the C190 TCU. As a matter of fact, our ability to tune the TCU is the real reason why we are the exclusive Mercedes clutch dealer for Dodson.
Let's first discuss stock clutch pressure and slip. This is a general rule of thumb for clutch pressure and the clutch's ability to hold is the following.
2015-2019 GT/GT-S will see slip at roughly 720whp
2020+ GT/GT-S will see slip at roughly 800whp
GT-C/GT-R will see slip at roughly 850whp
GT Black will see slip at roughly 875whp
PTG Tuned C190 will see slip at roughly 950whp
PTG Tuned C190 with Dodson Clutch will see slip at roughly 1,400whp
This is pretty critical data that has been extensively tested by us because it gives us a baseline as to what AMG is putting into their calibration files to make the TCU hold more power and ultimately shift better. If you have driven all the variations of the C190, you will see that the Black Series is the best of the bunch, it gets progressively worse as you go up the line. We list the baseline pressures on our website but to reiterate, we run clutch pressure up to 32 Bar while stock GT/GT-S is 22 Bar, Stock GT-C, GT-R 25 Bar and Stock GT Black Series 27.5 Bar.
We also see that shift speeds among many other parts of the calibration are far superior in the Black Series. As a matter of fact, the Black Series has perhaps thousands of maps that differ from the next best thing (GT-C and GT-R) and we have gotten quite a bit of data on what these are, and how to make it even better than the Black Series.
The next thing to note is gear ratio and differential type. The GT/GT-S has different final drive and 1st gear while the others share the same. Some cars have an electronic differential and some have a mechanical differential. This all comes into play when tuning the TCU.
The TCU is also responsible for several torque limits. Just like everything else we outlined, the Black Series has the most "raised" limits. It simply launches much better, and power delivery off and on the shifts is far superior. We have tested this and made our own changes that raise limits responsibly more.
From here, we can easily change things like Race Start. The GT/GT-S requires a complex turn of knobs and pressing of paddles, while the others are just brake and gas. We give you the choice of what you want, and likely that's to just use brake and gas. We also custom calibrate the coolant pumps to run at a higher duty cycle ramp rate. This brings temps down to 160's F rather than 200. When doing this, we see the clutches having much more life, and the car is simply more responsive when it is driven hard.
Lastly, we write custom firmware in the TCU so you can have an adjustable Race Start RPM by using the paddles to adjust up or down. This gives you a launch range based on your desire, but typically set to 3,800-5,000 RPM. We also work extensively on launch control limits so the car leaves the line much better and relies more on the tire's ability to get traction, rather than the TCU limiting power.
You may read all of this and say, I don't make nearly that kind of power. The same rules apply however. Shift speed and timing is a big part of the clutches holding power, and they also transform the feel of the car.
The end result is quite a difference and has propelled client cars to set 60-130mph world records and allows clients to have a truly transformed feel from the transmission.
We hope this helps and please feel free to let us know if you have any questions.
Thanks and Happy New Year.
Team PTG
In regards to our TCU tune, link is below.
https://www.premiertuninggroup.com/c...cu-calibration
The process is quite long and we will try to make it as concise as possible. Excuse the rather long reply.
We have done extensive R&D on the C190 TCU. As a matter of fact, our ability to tune the TCU is the real reason why we are the exclusive Mercedes clutch dealer for Dodson.
Let's first discuss stock clutch pressure and slip. This is a general rule of thumb for clutch pressure and the clutch's ability to hold is the following.
2015-2019 GT/GT-S will see slip at roughly 720whp
2020+ GT/GT-S will see slip at roughly 800whp
GT-C/GT-R will see slip at roughly 850whp
GT Black will see slip at roughly 875whp
PTG Tuned C190 will see slip at roughly 950whp
PTG Tuned C190 with Dodson Clutch will see slip at roughly 1,400whp
This is pretty critical data that has been extensively tested by us because it gives us a baseline as to what AMG is putting into their calibration files to make the TCU hold more power and ultimately shift better. If you have driven all the variations of the C190, you will see that the Black Series is the best of the bunch, it gets progressively worse as you go up the line. We list the baseline pressures on our website but to reiterate, we run clutch pressure up to 32 Bar while stock GT/GT-S is 22 Bar, Stock GT-C, GT-R 25 Bar and Stock GT Black Series 27.5 Bar.
We also see that shift speeds among many other parts of the calibration are far superior in the Black Series. As a matter of fact, the Black Series has perhaps thousands of maps that differ from the next best thing (GT-C and GT-R) and we have gotten quite a bit of data on what these are, and how to make it even better than the Black Series.
The next thing to note is gear ratio and differential type. The GT/GT-S has different final drive and 1st gear while the others share the same. Some cars have an electronic differential and some have a mechanical differential. This all comes into play when tuning the TCU.
The TCU is also responsible for several torque limits. Just like everything else we outlined, the Black Series has the most "raised" limits. It simply launches much better, and power delivery off and on the shifts is far superior. We have tested this and made our own changes that raise limits responsibly more.
From here, we can easily change things like Race Start. The GT/GT-S requires a complex turn of knobs and pressing of paddles, while the others are just brake and gas. We give you the choice of what you want, and likely that's to just use brake and gas. We also custom calibrate the coolant pumps to run at a higher duty cycle ramp rate. This brings temps down to 160's F rather than 200. When doing this, we see the clutches having much more life, and the car is simply more responsive when it is driven hard.
Lastly, we write custom firmware in the TCU so you can have an adjustable Race Start RPM by using the paddles to adjust up or down. This gives you a launch range based on your desire, but typically set to 3,800-5,000 RPM. We also work extensively on launch control limits so the car leaves the line much better and relies more on the tire's ability to get traction, rather than the TCU limiting power.
You may read all of this and say, I don't make nearly that kind of power. The same rules apply however. Shift speed and timing is a big part of the clutches holding power, and they also transform the feel of the car.
The end result is quite a difference and has propelled client cars to set 60-130mph world records and allows clients to have a truly transformed feel from the transmission.
We hope this helps and please feel free to let us know if you have any questions.
Thanks and Happy New Year.
Team PTG
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I would like to know more about the tunes and how it affects daily driving. On either the Renntech or Eurocharged how does it work, the changes in HP and Torque happen on Sport+ and Race only? or it changes on Individual, Comfort, and Sport mode also? does it change the sound of the exhaust to louder? does it keep the pops and crackles from the OEM setup?
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With a stage 2 tune and tcu tune, how much more stress is put on the transmission and clutches and can it handle it? I would be all in on the tcu tune but curious about the added stress. Thoughts?
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The transmission seems to have a max recommended 800nm torque which translates to only 590 lbs foot. Not sure what the actual software limits are. It’s my understanding that the TCU tune raises these limits. To what is a good question.
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I’m not sure how a tune can raise the torque limits. Unless it puts more clapping force on the clutches. I’d like to know as well. I really want this tune.
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You also need a TCU tune. The clutch packs are no longer mechanically compressed with a spring. This is done hydraulically. You can increase this clutch pressure (better: oil pressure) in the TCU software. Then the clutch can transmit more torque. Currently driving up to 980 Nm. (around 720 ft lbs) No problems so far. However, I rarely demand this maximum torque. (daily)
Depending on the source, the Getrag is specified with an input torque of 750 or 790 Nm. Black Series Version (stock 800nm) max. I don't know.
My personal opinion:
Reserves are always there. However, the transmission will then not last 500,000 mls.
+ 20 - 25% I don't see as a problem now. (and as a preventative measure, I got myself a replacement gearbox.) :-)
In a vehicle that I know of (around 1200 Nm, with a Dobson clutch pack), the gears worked. The wheel drive shafts are probably the weak point. There have already been 3 failures. But the car is often well loaded.
Best regard
Stenzel
You also need a TCU tune. The clutch packs are no longer mechanically compressed with a spring. This is done hydraulically. You can increase this clutch pressure (better: oil pressure) in the TCU software. Then the clutch can transmit more torque. Currently driving up to 980 Nm. (around 720 ft lbs) No problems so far. However, I rarely demand this maximum torque. (daily)
Depending on the source, the Getrag is specified with an input torque of 750 or 790 Nm. Black Series Version (stock 800nm) max. I don't know.
My personal opinion:
Reserves are always there. However, the transmission will then not last 500,000 mls.
+ 20 - 25% I don't see as a problem now. (and as a preventative measure, I got myself a replacement gearbox.) :-)
In a vehicle that I know of (around 1200 Nm, with a Dobson clutch pack), the gears worked. The wheel drive shafts are probably the weak point. There have already been 3 failures. But the car is often well loaded.
Best regard
Stenzel
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Downsides, have yet to find one, don’t think you’ll ever see one with a reliable and knowledgeable tuner.
As far as PTG’s version and my reasoning as to why it is better than other offerings……I suggest you contact them to discuss, don’t know how much of the curtain they will choose to pull back.
I have been around them when programming and tweaking peoples GT platform cars TCU tunes, and they are doing things I know nobody else is, the tweaks they do regularly to the worlds fastest AMG GTR specific to trans tuning shows their programmers wealth of knowledge to the platform.
As far as PTG’s version and my reasoning as to why it is better than other offerings……I suggest you contact them to discuss, don’t know how much of the curtain they will choose to pull back.
I have been around them when programming and tweaking peoples GT platform cars TCU tunes, and they are doing things I know nobody else is, the tweaks they do regularly to the worlds fastest AMG GTR specific to trans tuning shows their programmers wealth of knowledge to the platform.
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There is a Euro tuner that produced the most impressive numbers (over 1000hp) I had seen before. He is a member here, but I just can’t remember the name of the tuner, but he emphasized that they upgraded the clutch packs. I also think he ran nines in a quarter mile.
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Is that that Dodson clutch your referring to????