2024 Mercedes-AMG GT debut at Pebble Beach
08-19-2023, 03:18 PM
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The AMG GT C was 3792 lbs as measured my MotorTrend (plus minus a few pounds depending on options). Are you saying new one weights 4600 lbs? Where did you see that? That seems absurd, almost the same weight as an S class.
EDIT: https://media.mercedes-benz.com/arti...a-071ae23a6031
In the PDF document, it reports "Kerb weight acc. to EC" as 1970 kg. The EC kerb weight includes a 75 kg driver, in addition to all fluids. Weight without a driver but with fluids is 1895 kg, or 4178 lbs. That's around 386 lbs heavier than the old AMG GT C (roughly a 10% increase), and around 130 lbs lighter than the SL.
EDIT: https://media.mercedes-benz.com/arti...a-071ae23a6031
In the PDF document, it reports "Kerb weight acc. to EC" as 1970 kg. The EC kerb weight includes a 75 kg driver, in addition to all fluids. Weight without a driver but with fluids is 1895 kg, or 4178 lbs. That's around 386 lbs heavier than the old AMG GT C (roughly a 10% increase), and around 130 lbs lighter than the SL.
Even in the absolute best case (we assume they only used curb weight for the new model, and not for any of the previous model specs), the new car is 750lbs heavier than the GT R....
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...msrp-is-157000
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2017-feature/
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08-19-2023, 04:36 PM
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Idk why we are comparing the weight of this coupe to a convertible. MB claimed the GT R had a curb weight of 3428lbs, but independent sources (car and driver) weighed it in at 3668lbs, that's 7% off the claim. If we assume they are fudging the numbers by the same margin, that puts the new GT 63 at 4647. Even without accounting for the number fudging, that's almost 700lbs heavier than the GT R. If we take MB numbers from both, the new car is 900lbs more.
Even in the absolute best case (we assume they only used curb weight for the new model, and not for any of the previous model specs), the new car is 750lbs heavier than the GT R....
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...msrp-is-157000
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2017-feature/
Even in the absolute best case (we assume they only used curb weight for the new model, and not for any of the previous model specs), the new car is 750lbs heavier than the GT R....
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...msrp-is-157000
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2017-feature/
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08-19-2023, 07:01 PM
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Overall it is a great looking car, the proportions are nice, I personally like the S-Class inspired three dots (indicating the top of the model) and the AMG Project One inspired three dots/lines as the graphics in the taillights or we can also argue it is inspired by S-Class' three dots of the headlights.
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08-19-2023, 09:57 PM
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Anyone here feels like they love their current GT a bit more? Went driving in mine today.
That said, it's a proper and classy update to gen1 AMG GT considering what's out there from the other German manufacturers. Still quite confused with the naming though. So there won't be a 4-door version now that 63 and 55 are taken? And after reading the pr, the difference between 55 and 63 is just performance it seems?
That said, it's a proper and classy update to gen1 AMG GT considering what's out there from the other German manufacturers. Still quite confused with the naming though. So there won't be a 4-door version now that 63 and 55 are taken? And after reading the pr, the difference between 55 and 63 is just performance it seems?
08-19-2023, 10:46 PM
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Like the new AMG GT! Would probably debadge mine for an even cleaner look.
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For Dream Track Weapon would choose KTM GT-XR...too bad 100 or so KTMs not coming to the States. Always was fond of Audi 5-cylinders. Almost bought a Yellow 1987 Quattro Coupe that was sitting at NM Dealership for almost a year. Was driving a 1985 CRX Si and Suzuki GS550E/F at the time.
08-19-2023, 11:55 PM
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The old AMG GT C coupe was 3792 lbs (https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...pe-test-drive/) wet weight, without a driver. The newly announced AMG GT models are a successor to that (comfort oriented models with rear wheel steering). EC regulations clearly specify how weight is to be measured, it's with all fluids in, 90% full fuel tank, and a 75 kg weight for the driver. They say 1970 kg EU kerb weight, so 1895 kg without a driver (4178 lbs). Again, that's a 386 lb increase from the equivalent predecessor, or a 510 lbs increase from the track focused AMG GT R (though they will probably release a lighter weight track focused version of the new GT too).
08-20-2023, 08:35 AM
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Idk why we are comparing the weight of this coupe to a convertible. MB claimed the GT R had a curb weight of 3428lbs, but independent sources (car and driver) weighed it in at 3668lbs, that's 7% off the claim. If we assume they are fudging the numbers by the same margin, that puts the new GT 63 at 4647. Even without accounting for the number fudging, that's almost 700lbs heavier than the GT R. If we take MB numbers from both, the new car is 900lbs more.
Even in the absolute best case (we assume they only used curb weight for the new model, and not for any of the previous model specs), the new car is 750lbs heavier than the GT R....
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...msrp-is-157000
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2017-feature/
Even in the absolute best case (we assume they only used curb weight for the new model, and not for any of the previous model specs), the new car is 750lbs heavier than the GT R....
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...msrp-is-157000
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-2017-feature/
This is by far the heaviest car I have ever owned by a considerable margin.
I was pleasantly surprised when I first drove my GT R that it didn't feel 500 lbs heavier than my previous heaviest car.
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08-20-2023, 10:38 AM
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That weight you quoted is for the Euro spec cars. In all of my research on the GT R I had never seen that light of a weight. Always saw ~ 3700 lbs or so. I'm all about power to weight so this is interesting to me.
This is by far the heaviest car I have ever owned by a considerable margin.
I was pleasantly surprised when I first drove my GT R that it didn't feel 500 lbs heavier than my previous heaviest car.
This is by far the heaviest car I have ever owned by a considerable margin.
I was pleasantly surprised when I first drove my GT R that it didn't feel 500 lbs heavier than my previous heaviest car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2017-feature
I know there are people saying “wait for the R,” but we have seen spy shots of a version with a battery charger cover on the rear bumper. Based off the GT 4 Door and other recent AMG hybrids, I’d estimate the performance version is a GT63 E-performance version that is even heavier. That’s just how the rules are these days.
The executives, in their effort to reduce models, wanted to create a car that appeases everyone. Their target was customers who wanted a slightly more exotic C63S coupe/E53 coupe they can daily, an S Coupe that’s comfy, and a GT for a weekend toy/track car. Sadly, I think the GT owners got the back seat literally in the discussion. We most likely are the minority of buyers. I guess for the first time in Mercedes history, the halo sports car will have 4 seats? 300SL, SLR, SLS, and original GT didn’t.
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08-20-2023, 11:47 AM
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That weight you quoted is for the Euro spec cars. In all of my research on the GT R I had never seen that light of a weight. Always saw ~ 3700 lbs or so. I'm all about power to weight so this is interesting to me.
This is by far the heaviest car I have ever owned by a considerable margin.
I was pleasantly surprised when I first drove my GT R that it didn't feel 500 lbs heavier than my previous heaviest car.
This is by far the heaviest car I have ever owned by a considerable margin.
I was pleasantly surprised when I first drove my GT R that it didn't feel 500 lbs heavier than my previous heaviest car.
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It’s already been mentioned that you can spec the car without the rear seats, so I strongly suspect that a subsequent ’R’ version will be a lighter weight with (hopefully!!) LWBS; removal of rear seat; reduction in sound deadening materials; carbon fibre roof, etc.
That might only get you 100 kilos out of the car, but anything helps. Regardless it is no doubt going to be a land rocket on a road course, just be prepared to invest in Michelin and Pagid!! lol
That might only get you 100 kilos out of the car, but anything helps. Regardless it is no doubt going to be a land rocket on a road course, just be prepared to invest in Michelin and Pagid!! lol
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08-20-2023, 04:30 PM
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rear caliper or caliper-style brace, like an overlay with aliexpress?
Although it is called GT, it is a modern different car. Another platform and ideology. There is nothing left of the previous model 190, but thanks for that. that the name was changed a little and made in the style of ordinary AMGs, and not icon ones. the box was removed from the back, the dry sump was removed ?, the brakes were not improved (the bracket at the back), four-wheel drive was added, the location of the motor, as in a conventional car. Added trunk servo and options from non-racing cars. It's not really a 911 competitor, it's more of a Bentley GT competitor. Mercedes-Benz has always said that it goes into luxury, so he left the sport in luxury. therefore, there is no need to be surprised, Mercedes officially announced this on the Cote d'Azur a year ago.
As we say in Russia: "they beat not on the passport, but on the face". So - this is an SL in a hardtop body and although it is called GT, but let's take a sober look at things, this is a completely new model and you should not compare it with SLR, SLS, AMG GT, it is in a different class.
(sorry for bad english).
Although it is called GT, it is a modern different car. Another platform and ideology. There is nothing left of the previous model 190, but thanks for that. that the name was changed a little and made in the style of ordinary AMGs, and not icon ones. the box was removed from the back, the dry sump was removed ?, the brakes were not improved (the bracket at the back), four-wheel drive was added, the location of the motor, as in a conventional car. Added trunk servo and options from non-racing cars. It's not really a 911 competitor, it's more of a Bentley GT competitor. Mercedes-Benz has always said that it goes into luxury, so he left the sport in luxury. therefore, there is no need to be surprised, Mercedes officially announced this on the Cote d'Azur a year ago.
As we say in Russia: "they beat not on the passport, but on the face". So - this is an SL in a hardtop body and although it is called GT, but let's take a sober look at things, this is a completely new model and you should not compare it with SLR, SLS, AMG GT, it is in a different class.
(sorry for bad english).
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08-20-2023, 07:27 PM
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Test by Car & Driver for the 2016 AMG GT-S reported a measured curb weight of 3677 lbs (1668 kg) for their Lightning Lap test. The new GT has an official EU kerb weight of 1970 kg including driver weight of 75 kg or 1895 kg for the car only with 90% full fuel tank per DIN method. If tank capacity is 70 liters, then add weight of 7 liters of fuel at .7 kg/litre or 5kg, making the curb weight full of fuel 1900 kg or 4190 lbs to compare with the way the GT-S was measured by Car & Driver. That is a whopping 511 lbs more than the GT-S! I saw other sources reporting an even higher weight for the new GT.
As has been said before, the new GT is a complete porker, and not a sports car like the previous GT model. If the rear seats are like the new SL I saw at the dealer, then they are of no use except for shopping bags. For comparison, a 992 Porsche PDK Carrera 4S has a DIN kerb weight of 1565 kg or 3450 lbs, making the argument that they are competing with Porsche for a 2+2 AWD sports car somewhat sad.
I am rather disappointed by Mercedes abandoning the original GT ethos, and I plan on keeping my 2016 GT-S which I have been tracking for 6 years for a long time. That car won Best Driver's car at Laguna Seca driven by Randy Pobst for Motor Trend. Not expecting to see too may of the new GT's at the track, nor winning any sports car tests.
As has been said before, the new GT is a complete porker, and not a sports car like the previous GT model. If the rear seats are like the new SL I saw at the dealer, then they are of no use except for shopping bags. For comparison, a 992 Porsche PDK Carrera 4S has a DIN kerb weight of 1565 kg or 3450 lbs, making the argument that they are competing with Porsche for a 2+2 AWD sports car somewhat sad.
I am rather disappointed by Mercedes abandoning the original GT ethos, and I plan on keeping my 2016 GT-S which I have been tracking for 6 years for a long time. That car won Best Driver's car at Laguna Seca driven by Randy Pobst for Motor Trend. Not expecting to see too may of the new GT's at the track, nor winning any sports car tests.
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A 992 GTS coupe is just a bit over 3600lbs, so in appearance and weight the GT is not a 911 by a long stretch.
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The ePerformance will add what, probably another 800lbs on top of that...
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