Random Orbital Buffer Help/Questions!!
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1996 E320
Random Orbital Buffer Help/Questions!!
Everyone,
I've done a test spot on my car (black '96 E320) to see how using the Porter Cable and Meguiar's Dual Action polisher #83 and #9 2.0 Swirl remover work. I have some questions if people can answer for me:
1. What causes the polish to turn white and be really hard to remove?
Is it putting too much polish down? How do you get off the hard to remove polish?
2. Can the pad's after a while gunk up with too much polish and cause it to go down not well causing it to cake up?
3. Can you go over it a second or third time?
4. What's to be done if only 25%-50% of the scratches are removed? Do you go with a more aggressive polish or find an "expert" to do it? 
Any answers are appreciated, thanks.
I've done a test spot on my car (black '96 E320) to see how using the Porter Cable and Meguiar's Dual Action polisher #83 and #9 2.0 Swirl remover work. I have some questions if people can answer for me:
1. What causes the polish to turn white and be really hard to remove?
Is it putting too much polish down? How do you get off the hard to remove polish?2. Can the pad's after a while gunk up with too much polish and cause it to go down not well causing it to cake up?
3. Can you go over it a second or third time?
4. What's to be done if only 25%-50% of the scratches are removed? Do you go with a more aggressive polish or find an "expert" to do it?
Any answers are appreciated, thanks.
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From: Ponte Vedra Beach FL/ Hampstead, London, England
'84 380 SL/ '02 XK8
Megs DACP and #9 SMR
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
1. What causes the polish to turn white and be really hard to remove? Is it putting too much polish down?
A: Yes
2. How do you get off the hard to remove polish?
A: Isopropyl Alcohol
3. Can the pad's after a while gunk up with too much polish and cause it to go down not well causing it to cake up?
A: Try lightly misting the pad with distilled water and applying the product very thinly
4. Can you go over it a second or third time?
A: Yes, work the product until its almost gone (DACP is formulated with diminishing abrasives)
5. What's to be done if only 25%-50% of the scratches are removed? Do you go with a more aggressive polish or find an "expert" to do it?
A: How deep are those scratches? If you go too far you might compromise the paint film system.
Always use the least aggressive product first, evaluate the surface, (only) then if necessary ‘step-up’ to the more abrasive products.
1. # 83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish, W-7006 or W-8006 pad, speed # *5-6, work product until it becomes a fine dust (like most products there is a learning curve, but the results are worthwhile)
2. # 9 Swirl Remover 2.0 (polish) speed W-8006speed # 4-*5(this removes the minor swirling left by the DACP)
3. #7 Show Car Glaze or # 26 Hi-Tech Liquid Yellow Wax, or NXT Tech Wax Poly Sealant W-9006,
Speed #3.5 - 4
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/ Jon
justadumbarchitect * so I question everything *
1. What causes the polish to turn white and be really hard to remove? Is it putting too much polish down?
A: Yes
2. How do you get off the hard to remove polish?
A: Isopropyl Alcohol
3. Can the pad's after a while gunk up with too much polish and cause it to go down not well causing it to cake up?
A: Try lightly misting the pad with distilled water and applying the product very thinly
4. Can you go over it a second or third time?
A: Yes, work the product until its almost gone (DACP is formulated with diminishing abrasives)
5. What's to be done if only 25%-50% of the scratches are removed? Do you go with a more aggressive polish or find an "expert" to do it?
A: How deep are those scratches? If you go too far you might compromise the paint film system.
Always use the least aggressive product first, evaluate the surface, (only) then if necessary ‘step-up’ to the more abrasive products.
1. # 83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish, W-7006 or W-8006 pad, speed # *5-6, work product until it becomes a fine dust (like most products there is a learning curve, but the results are worthwhile)
2. # 9 Swirl Remover 2.0 (polish) speed W-8006speed # 4-*5(this removes the minor swirling left by the DACP)
3. #7 Show Car Glaze or # 26 Hi-Tech Liquid Yellow Wax, or NXT Tech Wax Poly Sealant W-9006,
Speed #3.5 - 4
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/ Jon
justadumbarchitect * so I question everything *
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TOGWT,
Thanks for your reply.
Can you apply a second or third coat of polish or will it hurt the surface?
The scratches/swirls looking at a certain angle during the day look like spider webs. I don't think they are major scratches as you can't always see them at all angles. It is hard to tell the depth when they are maybe not even hair thick wide. Again about half of them were removed with the polish. Should I go with a more aggressive polish?
Thanks for your reply.
Can you apply a second or third coat of polish or will it hurt the surface?
The scratches/swirls looking at a certain angle during the day look like spider webs. I don't think they are major scratches as you can't always see them at all angles. It is hard to tell the depth when they are maybe not even hair thick wide. Again about half of them were removed with the polish. Should I go with a more aggressive polish?
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From: Ponte Vedra Beach FL/ Hampstead, London, England
'84 380 SL/ '02 XK8
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
Q: Can you apply a second or third coat of polish or will it hurt the surface?
A: It would depend upon how abrasive the polish is. The use of abrasive type polish / cleaners should always be restricted to specific problems. Most original paint finishes are tougher on the outer surface than the layers underneath. The outer layers should be preserved as far as possible. It is preferable to polish 2-3 times to restore the paint film surface than to use an unnecessarily abrasive paint compound.
The abrading ability of any polish can be changed by their application method (i.e. machine or hand application, speed and / or pressure used, using it wet or dry and / or type of foam composition (different foam compositions and / or densities have a differing abrading ability) The work is approximately distributed, 60% product, 30% foam composition and 10% pressure applied and / or speed of rotation or oscillation.
Q: The scratches/swirls looking at a certain angle during the day look like spider webs. I don't think they are major scratches as you can't always see them at all angles. It is hard to tell the depth when they are maybe not even hair thick wide. Again about half of them were removed with the polish. Should I go with a more aggressive polish?
A: Usually a ‘swirl mark remover’ (a mild polish) will take care of these. They are mild enough for you to use 2-3 times without harming the paint and are formulated to take car of ‘spider-webbing’
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/ Jon
justadumbarchitect * so I question everything *
Q: Can you apply a second or third coat of polish or will it hurt the surface?
A: It would depend upon how abrasive the polish is. The use of abrasive type polish / cleaners should always be restricted to specific problems. Most original paint finishes are tougher on the outer surface than the layers underneath. The outer layers should be preserved as far as possible. It is preferable to polish 2-3 times to restore the paint film surface than to use an unnecessarily abrasive paint compound.
The abrading ability of any polish can be changed by their application method (i.e. machine or hand application, speed and / or pressure used, using it wet or dry and / or type of foam composition (different foam compositions and / or densities have a differing abrading ability) The work is approximately distributed, 60% product, 30% foam composition and 10% pressure applied and / or speed of rotation or oscillation.
Q: The scratches/swirls looking at a certain angle during the day look like spider webs. I don't think they are major scratches as you can't always see them at all angles. It is hard to tell the depth when they are maybe not even hair thick wide. Again about half of them were removed with the polish. Should I go with a more aggressive polish?
A: Usually a ‘swirl mark remover’ (a mild polish) will take care of these. They are mild enough for you to use 2-3 times without harming the paint and are formulated to take car of ‘spider-webbing’
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/ Jon
justadumbarchitect * so I question everything *
