First Oil Change on 2007 ML320 CDI
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First Oil Change on 2007 ML320 CDI
I was wondering what would be a recommended mileage/time to do the oil change on our new ML320 CDI. The dealer is saying to bringi it in whenever the computer says, which can be 10k miles. What would you folks with more diesel experience recommend?
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If it were mine, I'd change the oil out the first time earlier than what the computer says.
Why?
I believe that no matter how foreign matter may get into the engine, the sooner it is removed, the better.
There may be debris left over from the original castings, etc.
To my way of thinking, why not play it safe and get rid of that debris that may be left inside?
Also, during the first 1000 miles, there will be minute metal shavings created during the break-in process.
After you change it that first time, then go with your changes when
the computer says, and continue with the computer schedule.
Why?
I believe that no matter how foreign matter may get into the engine, the sooner it is removed, the better.
There may be debris left over from the original castings, etc.
To my way of thinking, why not play it safe and get rid of that debris that may be left inside?
Also, during the first 1000 miles, there will be minute metal shavings created during the break-in process.
After you change it that first time, then go with your changes when
the computer says, and continue with the computer schedule.
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I always change oil and filter at 1,000 miles, 5,000 miles and every 5,000 miles thereafter. I plan to do the same with my ML320 CDI which will be delivered next week.
My engines have never used oil - even after 100,000+ miles on the clock. If it works, don't fix it!
My engines have never used oil - even after 100,000+ miles on the clock. If it works, don't fix it!
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what oil for your CDi?
Did they say synthetic? If so what grade? Old diesels use 15W40 or higher. I used gravel truck grades, non-synthetic, in my VW TDi. Worked great.
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Oil changes are a cheap insurance policies particularly if non-synthetic grades are OK. If you have a MB diesel regular 5,000 mile oil changes are a must. A lot of car makers recommend lower grade synthetics I think due to fuel economy reasons rather than long term engine protection.
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The Mercedes-Benz Maintenance System We've made caring for your vehicle easier than ever. With the Mercedes-Benz Maintenance System, the service intervals are fixed and predictable - every 13,000 miles or one year (10,000 miles or one year for AMG models).*2* Your vehicle will even remind you about one month before service is due via an automatic display on the dashboard that also tells you which type of maintenance service is due.
*2*. Whichever comes first. Requires use of 229.5-spec oil and high-performance fleece oil filter. Driver is responsible for monitoring fluid levels and tire pressure between service visits. See Maintenance Booklet for details.
*2*. Whichever comes first. Requires use of 229.5-spec oil and high-performance fleece oil filter. Driver is responsible for monitoring fluid levels and tire pressure between service visits. See Maintenance Booklet for details.
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html
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Seems that "life" ended just after the warranty expired; and there were quite a few young (in life's terms) transmission failures. They have since changed their stand; and now recommend regular fluid and filter changes.
As someone else has already mentioned, regular oil (and fluid) changes are very inexpensive "life" insurance.
(I take delivery of mine tomorrow (12/18).
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This is a very personal response, but I've decided to change my oil at 6K mile intervals. My decision is loosely based on oil analysis results.
Your Factory Approved Service Products booklet identifies motor oils which meet M-B requirements for your car. The short answer is Mobil 1 0w-40 synthetic, which is readily available here in Lansing, MI. There are other products on the list, but I've never found any of them on local retailer's shelves.
No doubt you'll get responses suggesting Mobil Delvac diesel motor oil. Delvac is NOT on the M-B approved list, and good though it may be, I'd avoid it for that reason. If you choose to use an unapproved oil, you're exposing yourself to possible denial of warranty claims.
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Your Factory Approved Service Products booklet identifies motor oils which meet M-B requirements for your car. The short answer is Mobil 1 0w-40 synthetic, which is readily available here in Lansing, MI. There are other products on the list, but I've never found any of them on local retailer's shelves.
No doubt you'll get responses suggesting Mobil Delvac diesel motor oil. Delvac is NOT on the M-B approved list, and good though it may be, I'd avoid it for that reason. If you choose to use an unapproved oil, you're exposing yourself to possible denial of warranty claims.
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There are actually quite a few more that are on the approved list for Sheet 229.5, which is the minimum that must be met. Sheet 229.51 oils are also approved.
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"As of model year 2007 diesel engines must only use 229.51 approved engine oil."
So far MBUSA put those two 229.51 oils on their recommended list.
Presumably one can also use any of the other 10 or so 229.51 oils like the ELF Solaris LSX 5W-30. And if no 229.51 oil is available substitute a good 229.5 oil, in particular those where the vapor pressure is similarly low, like Mobil1 0-W-40, so the particle filter doesn't get polluted...
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MBUSA writes in their list of Factory Approved Service Products:
"As of model year 2007 diesel engines must only use 229.51 approved engine oil."
So far MBUSA put those two 229.51 oils on their recommended list.
Presumably one can also use any of the other 10 or so 229.51 oils like the ELF Solaris LSX 5W-30. And if no 229.51 oil is available substitute a good 229.5 oil, in particular those where the vapor pressure is similarly low, like Mobil1 0-W-40, so the particle filter doesn't get polluted...
"As of model year 2007 diesel engines must only use 229.51 approved engine oil."
So far MBUSA put those two 229.51 oils on their recommended list.
Presumably one can also use any of the other 10 or so 229.51 oils like the ELF Solaris LSX 5W-30. And if no 229.51 oil is available substitute a good 229.5 oil, in particular those where the vapor pressure is similarly low, like Mobil1 0-W-40, so the particle filter doesn't get polluted...
Does this mean that the other oils shown on your oil page are not acceptable?
MB sheet 229.51 approved oils; low ash long life
Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3.
Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40
Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS
Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51)
Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05)
Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006)
Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3.
Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40
Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS
Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51)
Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05)
Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006)
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With regards to Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06), ExxonMobil says this oil is not available in the USA.
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But MB dealers should have it available by now. I've seen some reports where it was used already for oil changes, at P3.
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Do you think there would be and warranty problems using another oil on the Sheet 229.51 list posted on your MB Oils website?
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Just talked to Park Place. They have it only in bulk.
http://porsche.parkplacestores.com/mob1synoil.html
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229.51 oils should be fine. Might not be easy to find yet...
Just talked to Park Place. They have it only in bulk.
http://porsche.parkplacestores.com/mob1synoil.html
Just talked to Park Place. They have it only in bulk.
http://porsche.parkplacestores.com/mob1synoil.html
In the mean time, I've contacted an MB dealer who sells discount parts to see if I can get a good price on the Mobil 1 stuff from him.
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229.51 oils should be fine. Might not be easy to find yet...
Just talked to Park Place. They have it only in bulk.
http://porsche.parkplacestores.com/mob1synoil.html
Just talked to Park Place. They have it only in bulk.
http://porsche.parkplacestores.com/mob1synoil.html
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The correct name for this oil is Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40. Here is the spec sheet from their info site. (It's not error free...)
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...la_M_5W-40.asp
There is also another Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 229.51 oil which is only available in Germany:
http://www.mobil.com/Germany-German/...mula_5W-30.asp
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Luckily, I drive by that dealership when I travel to that state on business; so I can pick some up on my next trip. The other option was/is Amsoil; but during the initial warranty period I think it's probably prudent to use an oil that is in the MBUSA Maintenance Book.
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I used to own a 99ML320 (Gasoline not diesel). MB didn't recomment synthetic at first but a few engines started were hit with sludge build up after running on conventional oil for the computer recomended 10K + miles on conventional oil. About a year later, I received information from Mercedes in the mail saying that they had changed their policy to use only synthetic oil but that it was okay to go by the computer recomendation for oil change frequencies.
Personally I didnt feel comfortable with the computer numbers and did oil change with Mobil 1 synthetic 0-40 grade every 7500 miles.
Personally I didnt feel comfortable with the computer numbers and did oil change with Mobil 1 synthetic 0-40 grade every 7500 miles.
