Amsoil reformulates their "Gold Standard" diesel oil!!!!!
05-07-2009, 05:12 AM
#26
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Federal Heights, CO
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
1982 300D VNT, 1980 240D 3.0T, 1982 300TD
Thats because they use Mobil's oil base.
Please, do us the favor of putting yourself on the ignore list so the forum can have an intelligent discussion without you adding uneducated nonsense like the example below.
I'm not asking anyone to do anything but add me to the "ignore" feature if they're going to act like school girls.
Last edited by 240D 3.0T; 05-07-2009 at 05:16 AM.
05-07-2009, 11:54 AM
#27
MBWorld Fanatic!
05-07-2009, 05:11 PM
#29
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
They made one other important change that everyone should be aware of...
They changed the color scheme from silver to gold lettering on the premium oils. Just got my new shipment in.
They changed the color scheme from silver to gold lettering on the premium oils. Just got my new shipment in.
05-07-2009, 11:54 PM
#30
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Orange County
Posts: 2,848
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes
on
15 Posts
2005 C Wagon (No snickering please!)
Amsoil, reminds me of Slick-50, Seafoam, fueline magnets, acetone pills, and Frantz oil filters. Remember those? They sold you a canister that you put a roll of toilet paper inside. It gave you super clean oil according to them. What it actually gave you was seized bearings.
Amsoil could certainly pay for the testing to be done to certify their products. Trouble is the product has to actually pass. There is no "look the other way" day. Some Amsoil salesmen are really great guys, just trying to take care of the family, but just because they say it is the "best" does not mean you should subject your car to Amsoil until it says approved for the Mercedes Sheet specified for your engine.
Amsoil could certainly pay for the testing to be done to certify their products. Trouble is the product has to actually pass. There is no "look the other way" day. Some Amsoil salesmen are really great guys, just trying to take care of the family, but just because they say it is the "best" does not mean you should subject your car to Amsoil until it says approved for the Mercedes Sheet specified for your engine.
05-09-2009, 07:04 PM
#31
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,332
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
2006 E320 CDi, 2008 3/4 Ton Suburban, 2007 "rice rickshaw" Accord 5 speed
I personally would not use it until the warranty runs out.
For those who wants to use the stuff, go ahead. America is a free country.
05-10-2009, 03:35 AM
#32
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Federal Heights, CO
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
1982 300D VNT, 1980 240D 3.0T, 1982 300TD
Why? If what you do/use is unapproved and breaks something, you will have to pay for it the same no matter if the engine/car is still under warranty or not! If you destroy the engine and its not covered under warranty, the replacement engine will have a warranty and you'll know not to repeat the mistake.
05-11-2009, 04:45 PM
#33
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
Lets see one instance whewre ANY manufacturer has "proved" it was an "unapproved" oil that was responsible for a failure, then work our way up from there.
Ain't gonna happen. Amsoil is the BEST oil on the planet, bar none. Anything else is a step down.
Ain't gonna happen. Amsoil is the BEST oil on the planet, bar none. Anything else is a step down.
05-11-2009, 05:04 PM
#35
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
So in other words, you've got nothing... There's a stretch....
05-11-2009, 05:16 PM
#37
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
I learned by watching you. You are, after all, the king...
05-12-2009, 02:35 AM
#38
Super Member
You both are idiots. Amsoil makes a damn fine oil, probably one of the best for long drain intervals. They do buy the PAO base stock from Mobil, but they tend to use higher concentrations of it along with seemingly better additive packages so Amsoil is widely regarded as AT LEAST as good as Mobil 1, if not better.
However, I would not go so far as to call it "the best oil". I personally feel that Redline is a superior oil to Amsoil for higher stress environments, and would much rather use it in a race car or motor that sees lots of revs and/or boost. I would also choose Motul, Renewable Lube, Schaeffers, etc... above Amsoil for high stress applications. But that is just MY opinion.
Will Amsoil void your warranty? Probably not since an oil-related failure is not likely with Amsoil. But if this were to occur, and MB wanted to be dicks about it and have the oil analyzed, then they could absolutely void the warranty on a 229.5 spec engine since the oil was never officially tested to meet that spec by MB.
Bottom line, there is no subjectively "best" oil. So just kill this thread already, or do you need someone to post the "arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics" picture...
However, I would not go so far as to call it "the best oil". I personally feel that Redline is a superior oil to Amsoil for higher stress environments, and would much rather use it in a race car or motor that sees lots of revs and/or boost. I would also choose Motul, Renewable Lube, Schaeffers, etc... above Amsoil for high stress applications. But that is just MY opinion.
Will Amsoil void your warranty? Probably not since an oil-related failure is not likely with Amsoil. But if this were to occur, and MB wanted to be dicks about it and have the oil analyzed, then they could absolutely void the warranty on a 229.5 spec engine since the oil was never officially tested to meet that spec by MB.
Bottom line, there is no subjectively "best" oil. So just kill this thread already, or do you need someone to post the "arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics" picture...
Last edited by stickygreen; 05-12-2009 at 02:41 AM.
05-12-2009, 05:42 PM
#39
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
Worked fine in my 700 HP naturally aspirated, 7,000 rpm Pontiac motor. Works in that, it'll work in anything.
But then again, I'm an idiot....
But then again, I'm an idiot....
05-14-2009, 04:02 PM
#43
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1987 SDL; 2001 Chevy 2500HD CC, 8.1L, Allison special order; 1970 GTO LS2, 4L60E, under construction
In other words, you've got nothing. Notice the reoccuring theme here?
12-18-2010, 06:00 PM
#46
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
6.6 LBZ Dmax
Why? If what you do/use is unapproved and breaks something, you will have to pay for it the same no matter if the engine/car is still under warranty or not! If you destroy the engine and its not covered under warranty, the replacement engine will have a warranty and you'll know not to repeat the mistake.
That would be where the Amsoil product warranty comes into play.
If it is lube caused damage, when used in a motor that requires the spec oil they put on the bottle, they pay for it...Pretty simple.
Most people who have used Amsoil in engines and put some serious mileage on them over the years know how good their product is....and it sells itself.
Independent Used Oil analysis also backs up their product for people who sample their oil for extended drains, piece of mind or paperwork in case a warranty claim is ever an issue.
FYI>A simple solution,If any dealer simply tries to deny a warranty claim on the base of using Amsoil, tell them you want it sampled to prove it was the problem and get one ran for yourself as well.
The issue will disappear real quick if you threaten them with getting the data on the oil as a cause for denying warranty!
12-19-2010, 12:39 PM
#47
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Federal Heights, CO
Posts: 1,116
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
1982 300D VNT, 1980 240D 3.0T, 1982 300TD
No such thing, its a marketing gimmick. They will only pay for repairs if there is a problem directly caused by a fault with their oil.
Its never the oil's fault alone. If the customer selects the wrong oil then neither OEM or Amsoil will cover the mistake. If the correct oil is used there won't be a problem, it will be due to component failure or operator abuse.
Not really. Pretty much any oil on the market will aid a long life to the engine that is maintained. This isn't the 70's or 80's where the standards are questionable and oils are mostly based on paraffin crude. Even cheapo house-brand oils are as good as most name brand oils.
As well as more "dealer" franchises, Amsoil's primary business.
They won't.
2. The warranty herein applies only to AMSOIL lubricants that are packaged by AMSOIL INC. and sold by AMSOIL INC. or
an authorized Dealer.
3. The liability of AMSOIL INC. shall be limited to:
a. Replacement of the defective lubricant.
b. The cost, including labor and materials, to repair, or at the option of AMSOIL INC., to replace damaged components
lubricated by AMSOIL products according to AMSOIL recommendations.
...
e. In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL
lubricant, the customer shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM warranty denial.
f. AMSOIL INC. may, at its option, notify its insurance carrier of the claim.
g. AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier may conduct an investigation that includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of the
failed parts, a review of the operating conditions and a thorough review of the information requested above. The customer
agrees to cooperate with such investigation.
h. If AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier pays a claim, an attempt may be made to recover amounts paid from the OEM.
If this occurs, the customer may be asked to provide further information pertaining to the failure and to cooperate with
AMSOIL INC. or its insurer in the recovery process.
an authorized Dealer.
3. The liability of AMSOIL INC. shall be limited to:
a. Replacement of the defective lubricant.
b. The cost, including labor and materials, to repair, or at the option of AMSOIL INC., to replace damaged components
lubricated by AMSOIL products according to AMSOIL recommendations.
...
e. In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL
lubricant, the customer shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM warranty denial.
f. AMSOIL INC. may, at its option, notify its insurance carrier of the claim.
g. AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier may conduct an investigation that includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of the
failed parts, a review of the operating conditions and a thorough review of the information requested above. The customer
agrees to cooperate with such investigation.
h. If AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier pays a claim, an attempt may be made to recover amounts paid from the OEM.
If this occurs, the customer may be asked to provide further information pertaining to the failure and to cooperate with
AMSOIL INC. or its insurer in the recovery process.
If it is lube caused damage, when used in a motor that requires the spec oil they put on the bottle, they pay for it...Pretty simple.
Most people who have used Amsoil in engines and put some serious mileage on them over the years know how good Mobil's product is
...and it sells itself.
If any dealer simply tries to deny a warranty claim on the base of using Amsoil
Last edited by 240D 3.0T; 12-19-2010 at 12:42 PM.
12-19-2010, 05:38 PM
#48
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
6.6 LBZ Dmax
However, thanks for posting thier warranty guidelines to show its hardly a "Gimmick", LOL
If you're not worried about it being the oils fault, where does that leave your deflated "argument"??
12-19-2010, 11:02 PM
#50
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,332
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
2006 E320 CDi, 2008 3/4 Ton Suburban, 2007 "rice rickshaw" Accord 5 speed
Mr. Duramax: you heavy duty "3500" guys are renowned in maintaining your rigs to perfection. It makes sense in both business and competition. I love watching those big trucks competing in "pulling" and the quarter mile. I really would like a 2500 Harley Davidson Powerstroke or the Duramaz but my wife and family both think I need to see a psychiatrist so I am holding off. Unfortunately with each passing year the Californian law makers are thinking of new rules and regulations to make diesels less enjoyable.
Maybe buying secondhand?
Maybe buying secondhand?
