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Im stuck deciding between a e55 or e320 bluetec/cdi. So the question here is, could i upgrade the turbo on the diesel to get more power? Money is no option here so yes i know its going to cost $$$. I love diesel so i would like to stick with it...but i need power.
Im stuck deciding between a e55 or e320 bluetec/cdi. So the question here is, could i upgrade the turbo on the diesel to get more power? Money is no option here so yes i know its going to cost $$$. I love diesel so i would like to stick with it...but i need power.
If money is really no object, buy both.
Then find a 420 CDI V8 diesel engine.
Add a bigger turbo (or two with some work) (Or maybe find a way to get the E55 supercharger on to the 420 block)
I would assume with all those parts you could have one hell of a screaming diesel E!
Having owned the W211 CDI and driven several AMG 55 motors in various states of tune, I can promise you the 55 motor is epic fun, in the E55 and SL55 and even the CLS55 I had for a few weeks that motor is amazing, broad spread of power but with a short stroke high rpm rush that feels manic under full boost. Fuel economy...well you stated money was no object so f-that right? I'm still on the fence personally about an SL600/65 since a few weeks back my NSX was sold...dunno, Audi S8, E46 M3, Cayman S, E39 M5, GT2...after I pay off my newest (1947 model) airplane acquisition the car shopping might get more serious again but, oh the irony, the current front runner is actually a $4k 1965 Volvo 122S, tastefully upgraded.
The E55 AMG, W211 running a tune, light mods, extra boost, water/meth injection and open-ish pipes is one awesome ride I probably should have bought from a wholesaler buddy, he got it cheap due to the mods, said nobody wanted it out of warranty, could have been mine for $16k at 80k miles...hindsight right? It was FUN.
yea money is no issue but im planning to use the car as a daily and long road trips.. im even thinking of the ML350 w164 for more room. i have driven them all but just cant make up my mind..
Funny...I've got a V12 BMW too, just saw your list. If the V6 CDI motor doesn't scare you with its issues you can pick up R models dirt cheap with low miles around here...in a strange way I like them.
W212 M276 DELA 30 ; W211 M113k, W126 M117, W126 OM617, W211 OM642 ; R107 M117 X2, Sierra 1500 LZ0
Originally Posted by Micah / AF1 Rac
Funny...I've got a V12 BMW too, just saw your list. If the V6 CDI motor doesn't scare you with its issues you can pick up R models dirt cheap with low miles around here...in a strange way I like them.
What issues? I keep hearing CDI owners talk about the big, bad, scary bluetec engine, but yet they've been out now for almost a decade, are used in industrial trucks among other things, and there's nothing that really stands out in terms of reliability problems.
Now on mine? I had the dreaded early 7-speed valve body replacement on my transmission, but that has nothing to do with my OM642 engine. The only "Engine" related problems I've had were a small crack in the turbo ductwork that would allow pressure to escape under heavy load. That was replaced for about 100 bucks. I recently started getting a glow plug light at 88k miles, so I need to change one of my glow plugs, but that happens to all diesels eventually.
I also own a v6 Sprinter cdi, I can absolutely assure you that I've done more work on it in 40k miles than 145k miles on my inline six daily driver and expect only more BS btw. Just wait till you have to do anything involving the center of the V on the motor.
Funny...I've got a V12 BMW too, just saw your list. If the V6 CDI motor doesn't scare you with its issues you can pick up R models dirt cheap with low miles around here...in a strange way I like them.
The v12's are just too much fun! Yea but the R is a little too big for me.. if i were to get a ML i would throw on some fat all terrain tires and have some fun with it. i do all of my own work on my cars so im not scared of problems.. i just dont want a problem to occur while im in the middle of no where.
im bringing a v8 diesel from europe and im still debating into which car ill put it into. A nice classy e63 look-a-like or a offroad ready w164 ml350 with ml63 body. These guys are tuned to 700 torques! ill be happy with that power going up the mountains
You can use the 2260VKLR from the 265 HP 0M642.
Its almost plug and play, you need to change the turbo mount and supply water to the turbo as it is water cooled.
DPF & EGR delete + good tuning will get you around 310 HP and 700nm +
The piezo injectors are very big no need for upgrade, you will be running out of fuel before running out of injector capacity, they are able to make north of 80HP/cilincer
I did the upgrade on mine 60.000 km ago and still running very strong
Last edited by diesel2fast4u; Sep 15, 2014 at 01:53 AM.
You can use the 2260VKLR from the 265 HP 0M642.
Its almost plug and play, you need to change the turbo mount and supply water to the turbo as it is water cooled.
DPF & EGR delete + good tuning will get you around 310 HP and 700nm +
The piezo injectors are very big no need for upgrade, you will be running out of fuel before running out of injector capacity, they are able to make north of 80HP/cilincer
I did the upgrade on mine 60.000 km ago and still running very strong
This is good info. I did a bunch of research and this is what I came up with as well. IIRC the mount wasn't different, it just had water cooling though?
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by boardboy330
This is good info. I did a bunch of research and this is what I came up with as well. IIRC the mount wasn't different, it just had water cooling though?
This is a turbo for V6, I6 uses different one, already little bigger, but us not ball bearing.
This is good info. I did a bunch of research and this is what I came up with as well. IIRC the mount wasn't different, it just had water cooling though?
I tapped the block for water feed and there is a small hose that crosses the mid V where I used a T connector.
You could also take water before and after the radiator. easy
This is a turbo for V6, I6 uses different one, already little bigger, but us not ball bearing.
Yes, I understand - but you said you needed to change the mount and it's no different, just water cooled. There are a few threads about this being a bolt on assuming you tap and add a water line.
This is my next upgrade, so I have been lurking for a while trying to figure out who I will get to weld up my pieces.
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by boardboy330
Yes, I understand - but you said you needed to change the mount and it's no different, just water cooled. There are a few threads about this being a bolt on assuming you tap and add a water line.
This is my next upgrade, so I have been lurking for a while trying to figure out who I will get to weld up my pieces.
I am not 100% sure but I think that been V6 turbo that mounts on the block all inlets/outlets are on same side (not really, my mistake), thus it uses mount that distributes oil and water, plus it mounts differently to the intake manifold.
See here: https://mbworld.org/forums/diesel-fo...ml#post5809805
I have a 2260 ball bearing watercooled. I did a write up on superturbodiesel.
You need the turbo mount of the 265 model as it is different.
It bolts right up but the turbo side is longer (because of the water passage canal)
Intake manifold side is identical, I plugged the water hole in the turbomount and made a side water inlet, works perfect
water inlet
Last edited by diesel2fast4u; Sep 20, 2014 at 05:30 AM.
im bringing a v8 diesel from europe and im still debating into which car ill put it into. A nice classy e63 look-a-like or a offroad ready w164 ml350 with ml63 body. These guys are tuned to 700 torques! ill be happy with that power going up the mountains
and how are you going to make it run? first 400cdi had alot of problems beware
I have a 2260 ball bearing watercooled. I did a write up on superturbodiesel.
You need the turbo mount of the 265 model as it is different.
It bolts right up but the turbo side is longer (because of the water passage canal)
Intake manifold side is identical, I plugged the water hole in the turbomount and made a side water inlet, works perfect water inlet
Very interesting. Thanks for the post. Can't wait to get mine done. I need every bit of that 300hp
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by boardboy330
Very interesting. Thanks for the post. Can't wait to get mine done. I need every bit of that 300hp
Am I missing something, you are talking about turbo from V6 being installed on I6, unless you changed the engine on yours 05, or you do some serious fabrication work on the exhaust manifold on your OM648 engine, like custom exhaust, this turbo from OM642 won't fit. Plus you will have to weld flange to the down pipe in order to attach it to the turbo. Keep in mind that this turbo also has different compressor map.
Am I missing something, you are talking about turbo from V6 being installed on I6, unless you changed the engine on yours 05, or you do some serious fabrication work on the exhaust manifold on your OM648 engine, like custom exhaust, this turbo from OM642 won't fit. Plus you will have to weld flange to the down pipe in order to attach it to the turbo. Keep in mind that this turbo also has different compressor map.
The original post was about a bluetec wich is only V6 I think.
@boardboy330 if you have a 648 inline 320cdi your original turbo should be able to get you to 300hp, not sure that your High pressure pump will be big enough. You can use the 400cdi pump (also used on the 30CDI AMG engine) I have a spare one if you want. EGR delete, 400cdi pump, AMG injectors a Holset 351VGT (or something like this) and then a tuner who can make to work al this together could get you to 400HP+
06 E320 CDI (GONE), 14 Jeep GC EcoDiesel, 01 Disco II (GONE), 09 BMW X3 3.0 Si Xdrive
Originally Posted by diesel2fast4u
The original post was about a bluetec wich is only V6 I think.
@boardboy330 if you have a 648 inline 320cdi your original turbo should be able to get you to 300hp, not sure that your High pressure pump will be big enough. You can use the 400cdi pump (also used on the 30CDI AMG engine) I have a spare one if you want. EGR delete, 400cdi pump, AMG injectors a Holset 351VGT (or something like this) and then a tuner who can make to work al this together could get you to 400HP+
Pump from 400CDI won't fit because of the external gear pump drive and it's cooling, which are not present on the OEM pump, are close to the fan shroud (it is almost double the width vs. OEM) plus the in and out flow is different (OM648 are all on the base, OM628 are on the pump). The most important part is the tuner, because they are very scarce here in the states (not in general but the ones that can tune MB diesel from scratch).
Pump from 400CDI won't fit because of the external gear pump drive and it's cooling, which are not present on the OEM pump, are close to the fan shroud (it is almost double the width vs. OEM) plus the in and out flow is different (OM648 are all on the base, OM628 are on the pump). The most important part is the tuner, because they are very scarce here in the states (not in general but the ones that can tune MB diesel from scratch).
On the inline, you need injectors as they will only be good to around 55HP/cilinder. The 400CDI pump is almost bolt on (you have to cut a little in the aluminium of the timing cover) or use the 30cdi part. Also you need the injector rail line from 30CDI (see pics)
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