Another 2010 ML350 Bluetec engine seized
The 100% synthetic oil have more problem of contamination sludging than blends😟
PAOs base has lowest sludge dispensing ability.
100% synthetic shine at the temperature extremes. No one size fits all.
There are great III oils that have excellent sludge protection and high temperature stability and wear properties but too expensive due to a be additive package.
I would not try to improve a manufacturer’s additive package. Odds are the modifications will make it worse.
for short drives a blend and frequent oil changes.
long distance AZ summer driving 100% synthetic.
Though if not for the hassle and twice the price I might consider this stuff... https://www.weboil.dk/shop/172-ws2-t...w40---5-liter/
Then I look back on by old 1981 MB diesel... and using mineral oil (no synthetic) for 26 years of faithful service... why I never looked further is, a friend with a huge experience in diesel engine test and development said it any high ash heavy duty diesel oil would work... I changed every 1500 mi. and used 15w-40, good enough. No problems! Besides my kind of use and attention would never allow any sludge build up anyway.
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The same affect will be by running 10,000 miles on the oil and shave some soap bar + couple of spoons of battery acid at 5000 miles.
It will not kill the engine on short note, but don't expect it to last for milion miles, like properly maintained engines do.
As comparing the engines, the 3 liter 1985 diesel produced 120 HP,
the 3 liter in 2015 makes 250 HP.
Though if not for the hassle and twice the price I might consider this stuff... https://www.weboil.dk/shop/172-ws2-t...w40---5-liter/
Then I look back on by old 1981 MB diesel... and using mineral oil (no synthetic) for 26 years of faithful service... why I never looked further is, a friend with a huge experience in diesel engine test and development said it any high ash heavy duty diesel oil would work... I changed every 1500 mi. and used 15w-40, good enough. No problems! Besides my kind of use and attention would never allow any sludge build up anyway.
Tungsten Disulfide , now we're talking...


The oil passages have been made narrower, so the oil needs to be thinner especially for the start up and cold temperatures.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 40 weight oil to be on the lower range of the viscosity of the 40 weight range.
HD diesel 40 weight oils are on the high viscosity side of the 40 weight range.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 30 weight oil to be on the high range of the viscosity of the 30 weight range. It's almost a light 40 weight oil.
The 229.52 30 weight oil viscosity is slightly lower than the 229.51 specification.
The emission system is dumping exhaust gas (water vapors) into the cold oil. Water and contaminates with heat give rise to sludge. Once the sludge gets to a certain concentration, the oil can't keep it suspended and it sticks to the engine. Small blockages rapid lead to more sludge in the passage that causes oil starvation and super heating. Super heating give raise to rapid polymerization. Dino oil is better in keeping the sludge in solution, but can't last the high temperature without an expensive additive package and long OCI.
Europeans are not know for frequent oil changes and have more gas and oil rated oil (fleet oils in the USA). A trade off on the best oil vs. keeping inventory low.
Toyota had a sludging problem on gas engine that was solved in two steps: 1. large cooling fan and lower thermostat (extra charge for that mandatory option $300 -- an external oil cooler was another option as the towing package ~$400. 2. Redesign the engine to have large oil return channels.
Mercedes should consider larger passages, but a great European and America engineers would design the engine to have 99.9999% reliability during the warranty period and have most fail two to three years after the warranty period.
The same affect will be by running 10,000 miles on the oil and shave some soap bar + couple of spoons of battery acid at 5000 miles.
It will not kill the engine on short note, but don't expect it to last for milion miles, like properly maintained engines do.
As comparing the engines, the 3 liter 1985 diesel produced 120 HP,
the 3 liter in 2015 makes 250 HP.
The automotive/engine manager Mr. McFarland at Garrett/AiReasearch, now called Honeywell, when they did the OM617A engine design and qualification for MB told me oh some 10 years after the development now over 25+ years ago) after those programs ended the development oil testing showed even at 5000 miles with mineral oil insufficient cause to change due to contamination loading or reduction in its additive package or its breakdown. But I remember he said my 1500 miles oil change interval could not matter much. I did for security, and I have always been fastidious about car maintenance... so perhaps that is why I never have major mechanical issues. Those included engines that saw all kinds of cycle testing, Garrett in Torrance, CA had more than 20 fully equipped research engine test cells. Bob Mullen, formally of White Motors, and Chysler and Ford before ran Garrett's test facility during the MB work... before he also when he ran Chysler's Performance test and support efforts for Racing (drag, circle track... everything)... he knew all the racers in the late 1950s through the early 1970s. Bob designed Donovan's engine and was on the team of Chysler for the old 426 Hemi (he often gets sole credit). He left to start his own engine performance company in the 1970s... mainly doing head. Chrysler offered him the patterns and production equipment for several of the racing engines, he turned it down, as I remember the Aluminum Hemi stuff went to Black. Back when I worked, he and I worked on several engine projects, some really out there projects, and this included diesels. Bob also designed several aircraft motors and a tank motor in his later career doing consulting.
If I'd been in Pennsylvania I would probably have used "Pennsylvania Oil". The last brands are made still in one refinery... they have high performance, and another line of fleet products like diesel lube oil. However, they do not make them to any manufacturers specs. but do qualify to API and ACEA. Performance oils: https://penngrade1.com D-A for the non-performance, fleet, marine and industrial market. Pennsylvania Oil, real stuff you can tell by the smell and florescence of green coloration, is just about the best lubricant for any engine or machine... it is very durable... and used can be re-refined, and not lose any properties. My grandfathers both used those oils, but without any additive package... back in the 1920-1930s... one in his Rickenbacker and the other in his Packards... it was not until the later 1950s and early 1960s that additive packages were used, but the military had developed ZDDP during WW2, it and PCV on engines were kept as important National Secrets. Oh, yea that company sells "non detergent or oil without additive packages" and also synthetic and blends. My feeling go with the mineral oil, except in modern high output engines. You know the M276 version of the OM642 engine puts out a specific horsepower and torque rating almost identical to the 1960's F1 Grand Prix cars...
Quite frankly, this is the first time I have ever heard of too often oil changes being hard on engines and causing them to wear out! Hold on that is untrue, my material grandfather had a 1955 Buick that he put detergent oil in and that caused a major engine failure due to breaking loose and overloading the oil system with sudden release of sludge deposits. Usually, its the other way. I have never had an engine fail or wear out in my personal vehicles, I did have a driver for my race car, way back when, drive one of my race cars out of oil in a long race because he would not pit (had an oil pan gasket leak)... that was officially my problem and mistake as the pan gasket seal failed... even though kept driving for 12 laps getting a black flag every time around... due to the oil on track issue... why see I got to pay the fines... $1000 per flag.
The oil passages have been made narrower, so the oil needs to be thinner especially for the start up and cold temperatures.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 40 weight oil to be on the lower range of the viscosity of the 40 weight range.
HD diesel 40 weight oils are on the high viscosity side of the 40 weight range.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 30 weight oil to be on the high range of the viscosity of the 30 weight range. It's almost a light 40 weight oil.
The 229.52 30 weight oil viscosity is slightly lower than the 229.51 specification.
The emission system is dumping exhaust gas (water vapors) into the cold oil. Water and contaminates with heat give rise to sludge. Once the sludge gets to a certain concentration, the oil can't keep it suspended and it sticks to the engine. Small blockages rapid lead to more sludge in the passage that causes oil starvation and super heating. Super heating give raise to rapid polymerization. Dino oil is better in keeping the sludge in solution, but can't last the high temperature without an expensive additive package and long OCI.
Europeans are not know for frequent oil changes and have more gas and oil rated oil (fleet oils in the USA). A trade off on the best oil vs. keeping inventory low.
Toyota had a sludging problem on gas engine that was solved in two steps: 1. large cooling fan and lower thermostat (extra charge for that mandatory option $300 -- an external oil cooler was another option as the towing package ~$400. 2. Redesign the engine to have large oil return channels.
Mercedes should consider larger passages, but a great European and America engineers would design the engine to have 99.9999% reliability during the warranty period and have most fail two to three years after the warranty period.
Too often people on these internet forums use them to take out aggression or hostility they may have. What I am trying to do his help understand a potential problem. That comes out of the recent Bluetec Settlement. Why is because my belief is the attorneys in that suit violated candor, a necessary aspect of any legal process, without which tips the balance justice provides in our civilizations' experience. The oil specs here have nothing and everything to do with the problems of the OM642 engine. For the owners it is reliability and good service for money, for the regulators it is minimizing emissons and compliance with regulations as law. For MB it is largely financial as it is for the attorneys involved. I happen not to like very little people and companies who are more concerned with their own bottom line and profit, over dumping problems they create on unsuspecting owners, just like; nor fools and bureaucrats abusing the taxpayer and his liberty. Owners who purchased these cars in good faith! If it is a confusion of the oil specifications as Mr. Stephan's the former 5 time World Wide Service Manager of the Year and expert infers; poor operation and service keeping by the owners, or; defective products from design, regulatory, manufacture, or service information and work involved by the dealers/servicers, all of it comes down to a failure costly to the customer. To be perfectly honest, the settlement does noting to solve most of the underlying problems and expenses the owners suffer but enrich those attorneys and shield the manufacturer from financial responsibility for all the costs and damages due the owners. Honestly, the money involved in that settlement likely smartly applied could make everyone happy, with a little common sense applied to it and a fair and impartial balance made. Do the attorneys really deserve some $300 millions of dollars? Are the real concerns and problems of the owners being addressed? And, is MB really best served financially with a settlement designed to stiff arm its customers. I think none of these are fair or balanced herein, and the court involved failed in its duty to provide balance. Perhaps another emission reduction scheme should be considered, combined emission catalyst, DEF and SCR are all after treatment. How about not making the toxic emissions in the first place, could that be accomplished... what could be done to reduce the problems of an engine run at high levels is not mainly recirculated exhaust gas... could the DEF fluid be better used to reduce emissions... could the thing be qualified, even after the fact, as a dual fuel vehicle with beneficial regulatory burden reductions... could the costs be decreased... and how many of the vehicles really exceed the emission standard in day to day use. I can pretty well say my car has zero of the problems, and I will have emissions tests before and after done, as I think at least my car does not have the problem. Why I look into the exhaust pipe and see little if any noticeable residues attached, I have never seen one little bit of diesel exhaust smoke even on startup on cold days, my catalyst loading is always single digits, the EGR acts more as a throttle than an after treatment which I tracking the live data off the engine while driving, I use so little DEF fluid it is almost negligible, the rate of engine oil consumption is between 0.5 and 0.75 quarts for 5000 miles driving, and I have not noticed any engine running problems until I have seen some intake air system soot recently (which will be given service shortly), and then only slightly; I did get a code situation and limp home after I cleaned the MAF sensor... this was later traced to the sensors mass air flow output being used with the EGR valve position to calculate the EGR flow and percent of inlet air flow by the ECU, what happens when the two sensors have different readings, due to calibration, this shows up as EGR flow problem and trips a code and limp home.
A little story to pass on, a boss, mentor, and later very good friend was Director of Advanced Development (a job he was hired to mentor me into so I would as the company president said... keep from getting the company in trouble). Anyway my friend Warren Boardman had worked at Marquardt Corp. in that capacity, they were an avant garde aerospace propulsion company, and company president was Roy Marquardt... a protégé student of von Karman at Cal Tec in the the 1930s, later professor of Aeronautical Engineering at USC, later president of this up and coming company in the 1950-60s. Warren had phenomenal success history most largely don't know... without his technologies there would have been no Apollo Program success, Spy Satellite dominance, and space defense. Anyway Warren had been engineering student at CalTech and USC in the 1930s, and worked with Kelly Johnson at Lockheed on the P38 project during the war before leaving at 25 years old to be general manager of General Aircraft in Burbank, CA which produced over 5,000 observation aircraft during WW2 (he got that job as he had gray hair early). Anyway, Kelly (who I later knew when I was at Lockheed ADP, and who was my neighbor) would come over to Van Nuys to discuss problems that they were having with the various mysterious projects with Warren. But every time, Roy would hold the meeting (if he got wind of it) in his office. Of course Kelly had no time for Roy as he considered him lets say, colorful and avant garde, Warren said Kelly quietly listened to Roy... then after about 45 minutes to an hour Roy would get tried of being the only one talking... and leave for some other distraction. Nearly, every time when Roy left the first thing Kelly would say, "I thought that blabber mouth would never shut up!" Kelly was a quiet natured Swede, matter of fact, and suffered no fool. Warren suffered them less. My first talk with Kelly shortly after I started working in APD, I was complaining about the engineers had gone out on strike, and my job I was reporting for evaporated that I had no money, so they put me to work in ADP machine shop... my complaint was I couldn't seem to get back out of it. His reply was, "Best thing in the world for an engineer to have to spend at least a year or so in the shops!" Course, I had only worked there about a week... when I was complaining. And, I did get a brand new Monarch 10ee tool room lathe to work on worth $85,000 at the time... the very next day gleaming like a 1950s new car... with instructions from the boss it was "Only for my use!" This raised eyebrows with the older staff and the shop lead and manager. See I as a youngster, I to needing machined parts for my projects. So I took machine shop and had official qualification in it, and owned a small shop for supporting my personal projects (pictures of which got me hired then in that field). On the other hand, I served a full term in the Naval Nuclear Power Program, including work on a Research Reactor at Knolls Nuclear Labs, experienced everything one could in that including a major fuel element failure, and research on the reactor in its aftermath, and been in charge of a reactor plant electrical group, also had served in the Army in combat, had two undergraduate degree bio-evolutionary anthropology, electrical engineering, and a master in physics from the Pierre et Marie Curie Université, Paris No.6 Sorbonne. So I thought I might escape... but I think on it now... Kelly purposefully held me back. In the mean time after a year, I moved to Rocketdyne to work on the development of the first Shuttle engine turbo pumps, before returning. And, the year and half in the ADP shops are a cherished time to me. The particular incident, relayed to me, as to Kellys aggravation peak, was when the Y-12 aircraft (SR-71) could not fly fast and meet anywhere near the intended performance... due to thermal overload problems. Within a week Warren's small team figured out a solution by using latent heat of evaporation of the fuel to cool the critical concerns, Art Ackerman a really sharp fluid dynamists worked out the analytics of the solution which satisfied Kelly and Marquardt and Lockheed quickly had the thing working right. Though the other major concern was to remain normal shock wave control in the engine inlets as that was very difficult under any conditions... and would nearly tear wings off or badly injure the crew much like hitting a tree at 60mph in a car; disregarding nearly every time the plane flew rather scarily important parts peeled or where worn off by the airflow and heat. Sad Kelly slipped in Alzheimers... but l Warren's fate was worse incapacitated with a stroke, unable to move and talk, surviving a nursing home little over 4 years... both Warren and Abe (Parkinson's) within a month of my proof and success of my little magic flying wing. The thing that is really hard to take is how Adm. Rickover was treated, not only did the man serve under the most difficult conditions the country for 63 years, the longest active duty of anyone ever, but his nuclear shield and machines are what have prevented our obliteration.
A final comment... what does anything matter? Today perhaps what do any of us matter perhaps Elon Musk is right about AI, perhaps a friend when I was in university is right... she honestly advocated their were 2 billion people on earth then and it should be reduced to 50 million, in true belief in utopia. Perhaps all that will be true and the 42 million billionaires existing today will survive over the dead bodies of nearly 8 billion today to make way or to accomplish... what... opening the way again for the rise of totalitarian fascism we live with today:Rosa Koire exposes the UN Agenda 2030…
New Video… coming sooner than one might think
Codex - interesting maybe this is why everybody is getting so fat.
These are all emblematic of the construct of bureaucracy and bureaucratic control. Fascism adopted like in 1930s Germany that to make the Holocaust and great evils, we see it rising again, like in 18th Century France:
The great lesson... January 6th, 2021 US Congress… We learned our leaders fear the People.
Opening Statement -
In regard to our time in America with the Capitol city fortified against the people.... with their representatives cowering behind 25,000 troops in fear of the People.... Perhaps the lesson of the Second Revolution of Enlightenment, the French Revolution, with far more sang versè, is to be remembered… Lest not forget after Camille Desmoulins se tenait sur une table dressant la, «Prise de la Bastille», and after it fell and freed hardly a handful les détenus mentalement diminuées, as be our President, King Louis XVI was far more brave then our Combined Congress House and Senate to face the People, to go to the Hotel de Ville [city hall], accompanied by a then little known Robespierre, into the heart of the mob without protection, and the royal peacemaker pinned his des royale soleils blanc on the rouge et bleu cocarde du Paris, symbol of the new order, the colours du Paris with the blanc of the monarchy yet not fully comprehending it was a revolution, et il a fait le premier tricolore pour la République et il a déclaré l'amour sans les baisers: « Je suis très satisfait. Vous pouvez toujours compter sur mon amour. » And, he meant it, shall this Congress be so brave, heavens no, and they are far more foolish! [Trans fr. - and he declared love without the kisses: “I am very satisfied. You can always count on my love.”]
Understand Louis was victim of the French crushing court, governmental and social bureaucracy, and actually supported and loved the people more than our current representatives. And, Louis believed in the principles of the Enlightenment... but was trapped by a toxic bureaucracy out to defend themselves hiding in the dark. Our leaders wherever they are created, support, defend and use the bureaucracy over and against the People to end Representative Government.
The propaganda of fear is anxiety of the believer... but what is propaganda but lies to create fear... when there is nothing to fear... of those that speak the propaganda. Yes, I too have anxiety... of the nameless faceless bureaucrat... who makes the propaganda hidden by dark behind safe doors to have others speak it... for others to fear... "pour que les autres aient peur ... ni l'épée ni le loup ... pas le sang fendu ... mais le mot." ->
[trans. fr. - "so that others are afraid ... neither the sword nor the wolf ... not the split blood ... but the word."]
Somehow, we must fear the Third Revolution of the Enlightenment after the American First and the French Second being with far more sang versè soaked into the dirt of America to nourish Liberty, and before that extreme another path ought to be sought. Translated in comments -
The oil passages have been made narrower, so the oil needs to be thinner especially for the start up and cold temperatures.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 40 weight oil to be on the lower range of the viscosity of the 40 weight range.
HD diesel 40 weight oils are on the high viscosity side of the 40 weight range.
Modern Mercedes have oil specification for the 30 weight oil to be on the high range of the viscosity of the 30 weight range. It's almost a light 40 weight oil.
The 229.52 30 weight oil viscosity is slightly lower than the 229.51 specification.
The emission system is dumping exhaust gas (water vapors) into the cold oil. Water and contaminates with heat give rise to sludge. Once the sludge gets to a certain concentration, the oil can't keep it suspended and it sticks to the engine. Small blockages rapid lead to more sludge in the passage that causes oil starvation and super heating. Super heating give raise to rapid polymerization. Dino oil is better in keeping the sludge in solution...
How is dino oil better in keeping sludge in solution , it's not my understanding and so can you pick a Mercedes dino oil manufacturer oil spec in your opinion that is good for keeping sludge in solution ?
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Dino oil to try to clear out sludge. Drop the oil pan and remove as much as possible. Reassemble and Dino oil change every 2000 miles and lots of praying.
Dino oil high in naphthalenic oil are better in dissolving or keeping sludge suspenses than Long Branched chain and long straight chain saturated hydrocarbons (Synthetic oils). Think of getting tar off a bucket.
You want to get some cleaning each change and not have a big chunk come loose and clog the screen or passage.
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Flush everything as well as you can. Refill the oil and drive the snot out of it for ~200km (force it to stay close to red line by selecting a lower gear with left paddle), flush oil and refill again, drive the snot out of it, repeat again. Re-evaluate engine condition. While this will NOT undo years of neglect, it might prolong the inevitable by a year or two.












All the rest is in chem/detergent pack, however when you do oil test, you will find that synthetic oils are loaded with molybdenum, who for 200 years is known for lowering the friction between working engine surfaces. For some reasons the dino oils I know did not have the substance.
I always follow MB FSS system for oil intervals and my 1998 ML320 was making 13,000 miles on dino oils before US lawyers made us change to synthetics. Sprinters make 20,000 miles before oil change, but they have much bigger oil pans. Never had sludge in engine in my life.
Considering how far oil chemistry has evolved over the last 20 years alone, aside from cost there are absolutely ZERO advantages to dino oil vs. a synthetic. All other things being equal, a conventional motor oil is worse that a synthetic in every measurable respect except for the manufacturing costs.




I did compare several oils years ago on older Ford Powerstroke and both dino and synthetic oils had the same 4 parts of boron.
But when dino oil had 1 of molybdenum, the synthetic had 58. So is it the oil base that makes it better for average use, or is it chem pack?
From what I read, Europe did not fall under the sale pitch. Most of high-end oils are mixes.
I did compare several oils years ago on older Ford Powerstroke and both dino and synthetic oils had the same 4 parts of boron.
But when dino oil had 1 of molybdenum, the synthetic had 58. So is it the oil base that makes it better for average use, or is it chem pack?
From what I read, Europe did not fall under the sale pitch. Most of high-end oils are mixes.
The base stock itself provides the lubrication - the additive (chem pack) provides the detergents, suspension agents, viscosity improvers, friction modifiers, anti-oxidants, etc. etc, The more additives you have to put in, the more you dilute the oil and thus decrease its ability to provide lubrication. A synthetic base stock needs a lot less viscosity improvers, friction modifiers or anti-oxidant additives than mineral oil, so it is going to provide both better lubrication and better protection. In other words, it's the combination of the two - it's a better base stock that also needs fewer additives.
As for people in Europe, keep in mind that their car culture is considerably different from ours, and that their cars both get serviced much more regularly as well as have to pass a technical inspection every year. A mineral / synthetic blend may be perfectly acceptable for a 1.1 liter Citroen Saxo engine that gets driven 4,000 km a year mostly on "longer" trips, but that's not going to fly here where people on average do 20,000 km a year or more and use the car as their primary means of commuting to work and to make 10-minute runs to the supermarket when the oil doesn't ever get to temperature.


10,000 OCI or one year which every was sooner for the bluetec. Used 229.51 oil. Started with mobil one and then when to Penn Euro L (much cheaper).
The 300 TD was with Chevon DELO 15-40, which is a great dino oil. OCI 5,000 or once a year. When two year one time with only 3000 miles. No sludge.
Both has external oil leaks that dripped on the driveway. Cylinders were well sealed as noted by low blow-by. I don't drive much.
Moly is expensive. The additive package is dependent on how much $ the market will bear and manufacturer's profit margin. Zinc (ZDDO) is cheaper and was great until the one engine had a cat poisoning and everybody was required to change the oil formulation. (Government and courts making rules based on the exception instead of the typical or reasonable.)
The oil like grease can be too slick that it doesn't coat well or doesn't allow the bearings to rotate and slide instead. Oil formulation is part science and part art to get the best for the money. Or charge more for hype.
There are many dino oils that work better than synthetic, but cost $$. It's highly refined and with an expensive additive package. Synthetic excel in low and high temperature extremes and OCI due to base break down. With the gas to oil process, the cost of synthetic is slightly higher the cost of good dino oil.
Almost all US synthetic oil is Fisher-Tropsch gas to oil process (branched hydrocarbon and controlled size). It is not group IV nor group V synthetic oil. Many cheaper synthetic don't have a good additive package and can't pass M-B oil test.
edited to can't pass
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Poland has average wages much lower than Western Europe, so Polish buy those cars for lower prices and this is 1 of the pictures they discover
My opinion is that one can not get into oil trouble if one uses an oil recommended by the manufacturer and changes it frequently. I will not exceed 5000 miles. Just make sure it never runs low.




I keep telling him for last 10,000 miles that he needs new car and he has cash for it, yet after 13 years of ownership he become attached to it and is even considering engine replacement, but in the mean time he drives it in western states with big bottle of oil in the trunk
Please make sure to take the Nissan to the same service station for any repairs it may need.




