ScanGauge monitors DPF on 250 Bluetec YUPEEEYY
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From what I experience - freezing at ski resort is not a big danger, unless you go there in snow blizzard.
When we've been skiing in Sierra, on sunny day cars stay at 50-60F.
My worry is that in average season my cars for 6 months operate above 100F all the time.. Even I cool my garage, summer temp oscillate around 90F.
So with low annual miles my DEF stays in car tank well over a year at those high temp. No problem so far, but I have 2 DEF equipped vehicles for just over a year.
When we've been skiing in Sierra, on sunny day cars stay at 50-60F.
My worry is that in average season my cars for 6 months operate above 100F all the time.. Even I cool my garage, summer temp oscillate around 90F.
So with low annual miles my DEF stays in car tank well over a year at those high temp. No problem so far, but I have 2 DEF equipped vehicles for just over a year.
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This is nuts. You're telling me that anyone who owns a BT, has no indoor parking and lives in colder climates will have this problem? Insane.
I'm even happier now that I've deleted my DEF.
I'm even happier now that I've deleted my DEF.
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By the way, did you do the complete delete? No DPF, No Catalysts, No Adblue? Like my 85 300D!
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Yup, DPF/DEF & EGR.
Kept the catalytic converters because;
A: they don't pose any issues for me
B: I was told that in some cases, the exhaust smells absolutely horrible when you remove them
Quite honestly, no discernible (been dying to slip that word into a post for months now LOL) difference. Doesn't seem louder/stronger than before. Possibly a bit harder acceleration, but not sure.
PS: No longer called Dorval. Now called Pierre-Elliot Trudeau airport in honour of the idiot who sired our present dancing fool.
Kept the catalytic converters because;
A: they don't pose any issues for me
B: I was told that in some cases, the exhaust smells absolutely horrible when you remove them
Quite honestly, no discernible (been dying to slip that word into a post for months now LOL) difference. Doesn't seem louder/stronger than before. Possibly a bit harder acceleration, but not sure.
PS: No longer called Dorval. Now called Pierre-Elliot Trudeau airport in honour of the idiot who sired our present dancing fool.
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I can understand why owners are starting to do the, ahem, conversion.
What would worry me, is that it may become necessary to take these still relatively new cars to a dealer for work that requires their Star system or other reasons like SCN coding of some parts. They would likely recognize that car had been modified. and either not work on it or take some other action.
On our old W123 diesels, elimination of EGR is common. But they are simple engines that don't need to ever go back to a dealer.
Emission testing has ended in Ontario. Guess you don't have them in Quebec either.
What would worry me, is that it may become necessary to take these still relatively new cars to a dealer for work that requires their Star system or other reasons like SCN coding of some parts. They would likely recognize that car had been modified. and either not work on it or take some other action.
On our old W123 diesels, elimination of EGR is common. But they are simple engines that don't need to ever go back to a dealer.
Emission testing has ended in Ontario. Guess you don't have them in Quebec either.
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I send my ECU to London for stage 2 tune, what include DPF delete.
Those guys say that normal car scanning will not tell the modification and sniff test is not testing particules, so it should be safe for Nevada, where I do only sniff test and they don't plug the car.
Peter is the first who come with some reviews after DPF delete and I am pretty sure we will have more such modification since 5 months wait after dealer took my money - Stuttgart never send rebuild DPF for my car. Would you think that $2700 for minor part would give them good motivation, ha?
The promise is gaining at least 10% of HP and torque, what with less restriction in exhaust is expected. I monitor my mpg closely, so will be able to tell if that changed.
Canadian shops want for tune about $1000, while London shops has special for $400.
Funny all those shops have technicians with Arabic names. Seems Arabs dominate car tuning those days.
Those guys say that normal car scanning will not tell the modification and sniff test is not testing particules, so it should be safe for Nevada, where I do only sniff test and they don't plug the car.
Peter is the first who come with some reviews after DPF delete and I am pretty sure we will have more such modification since 5 months wait after dealer took my money - Stuttgart never send rebuild DPF for my car. Would you think that $2700 for minor part would give them good motivation, ha?
The promise is gaining at least 10% of HP and torque, what with less restriction in exhaust is expected. I monitor my mpg closely, so will be able to tell if that changed.
Canadian shops want for tune about $1000, while London shops has special for $400.
Funny all those shops have technicians with Arabic names. Seems Arabs dominate car tuning those days.
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I didn't know that Ontario stopped emissions testing. Incredibly, this left-wing province never brought testing into force. They barked about it a lot, that's it. As far as the dealer knowing that the emissions system was tampered with, none of their business. If you're out of warranty, then MB has nothing to say about the matter.
Krysztof, the tune alone was about $550 CAN, and it's a Malone tune so it's good. If you ever need a tune, you can ship your ECM up here or down to Florida and I can have the tune done for you. Shop's only 20 minutes from my Canada home.
Krysztof, the tune alone was about $550 CAN, and it's a Malone tune so it's good. If you ever need a tune, you can ship your ECM up here or down to Florida and I can have the tune done for you. Shop's only 20 minutes from my Canada home.
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Kajtek, Do you have one of these?
https://www.icarsoft.eu/MB-V2-audi-s...oda-volkswagen
With so many diesels in Europe, I suspect that many owners must be looking for ways to monitor the Bluetec emission system. They only mention DPH here, nothing on NOx, temperature, soot and other components. Must all be there though, if some software can access it.
Peter - I agree about dealer, but they may not see it that way. Good to find an independent shop that has Star and OCN capability. We have no such shops in our area. Do you drive the Bluetec to Florida?
At 50k km, I have not had one problem with my Bluetec GLK. But I have only recently become aware of just what warranties cover and what the replacement parts cost. Sell, trade, tune, pay for repairs all options
Great car though.
https://www.icarsoft.eu/MB-V2-audi-s...oda-volkswagen
With so many diesels in Europe, I suspect that many owners must be looking for ways to monitor the Bluetec emission system. They only mention DPH here, nothing on NOx, temperature, soot and other components. Must all be there though, if some software can access it.
Peter - I agree about dealer, but they may not see it that way. Good to find an independent shop that has Star and OCN capability. We have no such shops in our area. Do you drive the Bluetec to Florida?
At 50k km, I have not had one problem with my Bluetec GLK. But I have only recently become aware of just what warranties cover and what the replacement parts cost. Sell, trade, tune, pay for repairs all options
Great car though.
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I had the DEF tank assembly replaced under warranty at +/- 30k km at a retail cost of $3k. EGR system replaced just before the end of the warranty last month, another $1700. I got it, I got it. Delete all that crap. Been running high-zinc oil so my timing chain and other metal-bearing surfaces should be good for forever. I converted the oil filter to a honking-big spin-on, replace the oil every 5k km. I should theoretically be able to enjoy that famous MB reliability they "were" famous for.
We're driving down to Florida with the ML for the first time this X-Mas. We already exported our X6 back in fall of 2015. No longer crazy of long-distance drives, but the wife's eldest daughter has her learners permit, so between the three of us, it should be more pleasant. I...uh.... tend to drive like a maniac all through the night in an attempt to get "there" ASAP. Not this time.
We're driving down to Florida with the ML for the first time this X-Mas. We already exported our X6 back in fall of 2015. No longer crazy of long-distance drives, but the wife's eldest daughter has her learners permit, so between the three of us, it should be more pleasant. I...uh.... tend to drive like a maniac all through the night in an attempt to get "there" ASAP. Not this time.
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We're driving down to Florida with the ML for the first time this X-Mas. We already exported our X6 back in fall of 2015. No longer crazy of long-distance drives, but the wife's eldest daughter has her learners permit, so between the three of us, it should be more pleasant. I...uh.... tend to drive like a maniac all through the night in an attempt to get "there" ASAP. Not this time.
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Kajtek, Do you have one of these?
https://www.icarsoft.eu/MB-V2-audi-s...oda-volkswagen
With so many diesels in Europe, I suspect that many owners must be looking for ways to monitor the Bluetec emission system. .
https://www.icarsoft.eu/MB-V2-audi-s...oda-volkswagen
With so many diesels in Europe, I suspect that many owners must be looking for ways to monitor the Bluetec emission system. .
It does a lot on 2008 E320 bluetec, but does not support 250 Bluetec.
Still the only scanner I know that will tell you DPF status on the road is ScanGauge.
I chat on Polish W212 forum. It is different World. Mechanics in Poland work for $20/hr and seem all shops have some kind of SD clone.
There is big aftermarket on part as well + cars in Europe corrode faster, so lot of used mechanical parts.
Since most of MB owners are self-employed , they rather drop off the car at nearby shop and go make the money.
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I bought a home there back in 2012 when the housing market was practically at it's lowest. My best friend lives there, that's how I even know about the Cape. Smartest thing I ever did financially. Picked up a detached 1,500 sq ft bungalow on a 10k sq ft corner lot c/w double garage, in-ground pool and screened lanai for next to nothing, relatively speaking. House needed nothing more than a couple of faucet repairs, anything else I've done was voluntary 'cause I'm massively ****.
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I ended up getting the reader below which uses Torque-Pro. Reads/clears codes on my FJ (issues with my O2 sensors) and gives a multitude of information. Anxious to try it out on the Benz.
Thanks to all for the advice! I was getting prepared to spend big bucks on a bulky, cabled reader which I evidently don't need.
Thanks to all for the advice! I was getting prepared to spend big bucks on a bulky, cabled reader which I evidently don't need.
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I had the DEF tank assembly replaced under warranty at +/- 30k km at a retail cost of $3k. EGR system replaced just before the end of the warranty last month, another $1700. I got it, I got it. Delete all that crap. Been running high-zinc oil so my timing chain and other metal-bearing surfaces should be good for forever. I converted the oil filter to a honking-big spin-on, replace the oil every 5k km. I should theoretically be able to enjoy that famous MB reliability they "were" famous for.
Indeed , delete , delete.
Can't beat a good dose of ZDDP , as an alternative either way with higher group oil basestocks but still low saps is VW 507.00 , if it can protect narrow VAG PD camshaft lobes....
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I ended up getting the reader below which uses Torque-Pro. Reads/clears codes on my FJ (issues with my O2 sensors) and gives a multitude of information. Anxious to try it out on the Benz.
Thanks to all for the advice! I was getting prepared to spend big bucks on a bulky, cabled reader which I evidently don't need.
Thanks to all for the advice! I was getting prepared to spend big bucks on a bulky, cabled reader which I evidently don't need.
You can leave it permanently plug and even mine have switches on them, I often forget to turn it off and 5 days later the car still started, so they don't drain battery too much.
But they will not do much of troubleshooting beside codes and some live data.
Also beware about false data. I tried to use Torque for reading my DPF pressure and it was showing me peaks of 2000 psi. There is no way that can be real data.
The same was with mpg I tried on W210 car.
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Took about 600 miles of mixed driving for soot to come to 100%.
Without a gauge I would have no idea the car enter regeneration. Outside temp in 60's, no raised idle, no different sound and the computer was still doing ECO stops.
Regeneration took less than 10 miles so for next time I plan to turn ECO off and drive extra to get soot down to 0 before parking the car.
For comparison- my Ford Truck drives under medium load (camper) and on freeway driving DPF self-cleaned itself without regeneration.
Took about 600 miles of mixed driving for soot to come to 100%.
Without a gauge I would have no idea the car enter regeneration. Outside temp in 60's, no raised idle, no different sound and the computer was still doing ECO stops.
Regeneration took less than 10 miles so for next time I plan to turn ECO off and drive extra to get soot down to 0 before parking the car.
For comparison- my Ford Truck drives under medium load (camper) and on freeway driving DPF self-cleaned itself without regeneration.
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More experience with new life ScanGauge is getting.
I went to the site and look for X-gauges for sprinters. They use the same technology W212 and W211 do, so some modules are the same.
I tried Xgauge for transmission temp and it does not work, but the DPF differential pressure does.
So if you think you could use any of gauges listed for Sprinters - just give it a try.
I went to the site and look for X-gauges for sprinters. They use the same technology W212 and W211 do, so some modules are the same.
I tried Xgauge for transmission temp and it does not work, but the DPF differential pressure does.
So if you think you could use any of gauges listed for Sprinters - just give it a try.
Will keep everyone posted.
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Been running high-zinc oil so my timing chain and other metal-bearing surfaces should be good for forever. I converted the oil filter to a honking-big spin-on, replace the oil every 5k km. I should theoretically be able to enjoy that famous MB reliability they "were" famous for.
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OK, So, I just spoke to the folks at ScanGuage. They are very supportive and are going to send me the module(s) to do the data collection on my 2016 E250 with the 2.1L OM651 Bluetec engine. I am hopeful that I can (eventually) get Xguage support for the same 19 Xguage command (by my count) that they do support for the Sprinter. And Krzysztof, I did mention your efforts in doing same for your 2014, and positive comments about them. In addition to all the DPF parameters, another couple that seem interesting to me to be able to monitor are some of the temps - specifically Engine Oil, Coolant (if they support it) and Transmission oil.
Will keep everyone posted.
Will keep everyone posted.
They have data collection from my car, so strange they need it again.
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Interesting post peter2772000, thanks for sharing. I am monitoring the emissions/DPF discussions but also gearing up to start doing my own oil changes again.. I have driven about 7K km now on my CPO 2016 E250 that I picked up with 82K on the clock. Curious as to what oil you are using with high zinc / ZDDP content, and more info on the larger capacity spin on filter you refer to. I am thinking of using the MB 229.52 compliant Liqui Moly Oil and Mann filter. Thanks!
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For 2014 e250 which you have, I believe their website lists 4 x gauge commands. I have the 2016 e250, with to my understanding pretty much the same OM651 engine, but maybe different ECU. They were the ones that suggested sending me a couple data loggers to capture the data from the 2016 e250. I am happy to oblige if it gets me (and everyone) additional xguage command support :-).
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Anything new on this? I own a '15 ML250 with 2.1L BT engine (still under warranty for 3000 miles). Over the weekend my engine light came on for the second time since Sept. '18, I have been doing mostly short drives recently. The first time the car went into limp mode and had to be towed to a dealer 100 miles from where I was, that was after a 400 mile drive. It had DPF codes. Codes were cleared and nothing else was done. Took it to my local dealer who also did nothing. I love this car and planned to keep it a long time but now I'm having second thoughts. If I do keep it I'm thinking I need a scan tool to monitor the DPF status and have the ability to force a regen. Obviously, I'd also like to clear codes. Any suggestions on which tool? Thanks in advance,
