ScanGauge monitors DPF on 250 Bluetec YUPEEEYY
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ScanGauge monitors DPF on 250 Bluetec YUPEEEYY
I'll take some credit for it as I emailed them about new software and I supplied them with data monitoring.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
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Do they really mean DPF or do they mean DEF? It would be easy for them to get DEF level, but DPF signal would have to be the pressure difference, then they would have to calculate a % of the max allowable before regeneration. All possible of course.
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They mean DPF. A bit disappointing that they did not make regeneration status for MB, what I have for Ford, but seems their engineers keep working on the system and hopefully it will come.
My other scanners read DEF level and wood stick works as well.
From my mechanical mind - all soot and ash weights are calculated from pressure differential as the cars don't have any weight scale build in.
I had my older ScanGauge working on Ford truck, but I don't drive it very often and on 400 miles trip the ash % dropped drastically without regeneration. So if the gauge is correct, DPF to some degree is self-regenerating and long trip under load (I drove with camper) can burn it off.
At this point I am waiting for new ScanGauge as MB program require newer firmware.
Other choice than spending $160 on new gauge would be spend $25 for old one update, but having several vehicles, additional gauge will get used.
My other scanners read DEF level and wood stick works as well.
From my mechanical mind - all soot and ash weights are calculated from pressure differential as the cars don't have any weight scale build in.
I had my older ScanGauge working on Ford truck, but I don't drive it very often and on 400 miles trip the ash % dropped drastically without regeneration. So if the gauge is correct, DPF to some degree is self-regenerating and long trip under load (I drove with camper) can burn it off.
At this point I am waiting for new ScanGauge as MB program require newer firmware.
Other choice than spending $160 on new gauge would be spend $25 for old one update, but having several vehicles, additional gauge will get used.
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There is some interesting stuff on eBay and elsewhere. Not something I would do on my low mileage diesel, but based on possible repair costs one seller quotes, I could see owners being interested.
Links:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-ca...-/252485713121
https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/0/?...EwMDQxMjE4OTV9
- price of car repair. Even few components can significantly hit on a owner's pocket. When you will consider labor cost (4-10 hours) - it become even more pricy. 1. SERVICE KIT (RS PREHEATER) - $959 2. SERVICE KIT (RS ADBLUE PUMP MODULE.) - $899 3. NOX-SENSOR FRONT - $599 4. NOX-SENSOR BACK - $599 most of our customers had over USD 2000 bills from their dealer or mechanic to make SCR system work again after fault.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-ca...-/252485713121
https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/0/?...EwMDQxMjE4OTV9
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I'll take some credit for it as I emailed them about new software and I supplied them with data monitoring.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
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My comps says it is unsafe as well, but lets me in. Go to advanced options to make exception.
I've have that Belarus seller saved for long time. He does amazing software for MB, but the linked plugs are just temporary patch, not a real solution.
This is very sensitive subject as law doesn't allow emission stuff disabling, but it is MB USA who fails to deliver emission components.
So far the best I found is UK company, who for less than $400 will remap ECU and than you can shake DPF empty
I've have that Belarus seller saved for long time. He does amazing software for MB, but the linked plugs are just temporary patch, not a real solution.
This is very sensitive subject as law doesn't allow emission stuff disabling, but it is MB USA who fails to deliver emission components.
So far the best I found is UK company, who for less than $400 will remap ECU and than you can shake DPF empty
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I'll take some credit for it as I emailed them about new software and I supplied them with data monitoring.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
https://www.scangauge.com/x-gauge-co...-e250-bluetec/ are new gauges that cover 250 Bluetec and they are still working on Xgauges for 320 Bluetec that I send them data as well.
I did not test the feature yet and am afraid that my older model might need upgrade, but I have no problem to keep my older SG for my Ford, where it works and buy 2nd one.
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Your engine is the same block what 320 Bluetec and as I said in starting topic- they said they are working on it.
However I went on their site and the scanner has lot of software for Sprinters, who use the same engines, or at least the same short block engines.
Over the years the same engines got different ECU, so just becouse scanner supports Sprinter from the same year and the same engine, doesn't mean it has to work on your ML.
Why don't you shoot ScanGauge an email?
They have been very responsive, what doesn't happen very often in today's World.
Tell them Kristopher send you
However I went on their site and the scanner has lot of software for Sprinters, who use the same engines, or at least the same short block engines.
Over the years the same engines got different ECU, so just becouse scanner supports Sprinter from the same year and the same engine, doesn't mean it has to work on your ML.
Why don't you shoot ScanGauge an email?
They have been very responsive, what doesn't happen very often in today's World.
Tell them Kristopher send you
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I go new ScanGauge (in the mean time send my old one for upgrade) and on the first drive the DPF started at 156%. About 10 miles mixed drive and it went down to 13, so regeneration happen on that 10 miles drive.
I wrote some questions to ScanGauge and here are the answers.
So for now this is my favorite set of gauges.
I wrote some questions to ScanGauge and here are the answers.
I spoke with the engineer and apparently this how Mercedes reports it. 200% is considered the limit for this sensor. If you have any questions, please let me know.
For the 2014 E250 you can try the following for the Regen Status:
Regen Status (On/Off)
TXD: 07DF018B
RXF: 0541268B0000
RXD: 3F01
MTH: 000100010000
NAM: RGN
For the 2014 E250 you can try the following for the Regen Status:
Regen Status (On/Off)
TXD: 07DF018B
RXF: 0541268B0000
RXD: 3F01
MTH: 000100010000
NAM: RGN
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Yes, to get ScanGauge to monitor MB you need to program so called X-gauge. Those numbers are what you need to enter for it. Whole procedure is on SG site.
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More experience with new life ScanGauge is getting.
I went to the site and look for X-gauges for sprinters. They use the same technology W212 and W211 do, so some modules are the same.
I tried Xgauge for transmission temp and it does not work, but the DPF differential pressure does.
So if you think you could use any of gauges listed for Sprinters - just give it a try.
I went to the site and look for X-gauges for sprinters. They use the same technology W212 and W211 do, so some modules are the same.
I tried Xgauge for transmission temp and it does not work, but the DPF differential pressure does.
So if you think you could use any of gauges listed for Sprinters - just give it a try.
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Krzysztof, I want to invest in a scanner myself. Something that's good for my W166 as well as my 2007 FJ Cruiser. Don't mind spending a bit more for quality and increased options.
Any suggestions?
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I was looking at scanners and saved a couple of links: I already have one, but was looking for ones that would monitor Bluetec diesel emission systems. .
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=51224
https://www.obdsoftware.net/software/obdfusion
https://www.obdsoftware.net/
https://torque-bhp.com/ (I have this - bought an adapter off Amazon, I think. No problems, so I didn't learn much about using it.
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=51224
https://www.obdsoftware.net/software/obdfusion
https://www.obdsoftware.net/
https://torque-bhp.com/ (I have this - bought an adapter off Amazon, I think. No problems, so I didn't learn much about using it.
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What you need the scanner for?
I own 7 scanners that I accumulated over the years and frankly- use 5 of them for different purpose.
The ScanGauge I am showing here is more a gauge with code reader, so don't buy it for code reading - buy it for engine monitoring as it can be plugged permanently and you can program fuel cost for specific bookkeeping.
For engine troubleshooting I am using iCarsoft MBII and MaxiEcu.
MaxiEcu is very good scanner, but require laptop and I am still waiting for update covering 651 engine.
MBII doesn't support 651 engine neither, but has generic DPF regeneration program.
Than I still have my first scanner, or more code reader, who cost me dearly 10 years ago and couple of Bletooth plugs that I always carry in all cars for emergencies.
Unfortunately if there is scanner who can do all the jobs on the car and be portable - I did not find it yet.
If you don't own any scanner, but have android - $7 Bluetooth plug sure is good start with Torque app.
I own 7 scanners that I accumulated over the years and frankly- use 5 of them for different purpose.
The ScanGauge I am showing here is more a gauge with code reader, so don't buy it for code reading - buy it for engine monitoring as it can be plugged permanently and you can program fuel cost for specific bookkeeping.
For engine troubleshooting I am using iCarsoft MBII and MaxiEcu.
MaxiEcu is very good scanner, but require laptop and I am still waiting for update covering 651 engine.
MBII doesn't support 651 engine neither, but has generic DPF regeneration program.
Than I still have my first scanner, or more code reader, who cost me dearly 10 years ago and couple of Bletooth plugs that I always carry in all cars for emergencies.
Unfortunately if there is scanner who can do all the jobs on the car and be portable - I did not find it yet.
If you don't own any scanner, but have android - $7 Bluetooth plug sure is good start with Torque app.
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Torque site has an adapter review. But most buy the cheap ones off Amazon. Just read the buyers reviews. The one I bought is called FOSEAL There is Torque Lite and then a paid version. Best to try Lite, then buy the paid version.
https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Bluetooth_Adapters
If you only want to read codes, an OBD2 code reader may be all you need. Places like Harbor Freight have them. Also Amazon. Torque and similar apps provide real time information about engine performance. Interesting but not usually really needed.
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Torque Pro cost like $5 and you might have fun reading live data. I always do when DW is behind the wheel.
When buying Bluetooth plug, get the one with on/off switch.
I had my BT plug on for 3 days and the car started, but felt some starter hesitation, so better not to leave it on when you are not using it.
Then when you need it, I can find the switch even without stopping the car and have live data on my android in just seconds.
When buying Bluetooth plug, get the one with on/off switch.
I had my BT plug on for 3 days and the car started, but felt some starter hesitation, so better not to leave it on when you are not using it.
Then when you need it, I can find the switch even without stopping the car and have live data on my android in just seconds.
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Any scanner will read emission codes that trigger CEL.
Than few years back - my ScanGauge did read transmission code on W210, when not too many scanners go there. SG also has "force clear" function that I used few times and I think it clear the mentioned transmission code, but since it was just pending, I did not get solid confirmation.
That said reading and describing is different story. Lot of scanners will give you code number and then you have to search the details.
With newer cars it gets tricker and tricker.
I just had code on my 2014 Bluetec, what indicates error that even google search did not explain very well. Took contacting friendly SDS guru who told me that DEF sensors code can be fixed by topping off the tank.
Than few years back - my ScanGauge did read transmission code on W210, when not too many scanners go there. SG also has "force clear" function that I used few times and I think it clear the mentioned transmission code, but since it was just pending, I did not get solid confirmation.
That said reading and describing is different story. Lot of scanners will give you code number and then you have to search the details.
With newer cars it gets tricker and tricker.
I just had code on my 2014 Bluetec, what indicates error that even google search did not explain very well. Took contacting friendly SDS guru who told me that DEF sensors code can be fixed by topping off the tank.
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Regarding your DPF - did you consider removing it and sending it to one of the places that cleans them? Or maybe a DIY cleaning like has been posted on Youtube?
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I tried the LM cleaner + DPF purge for no change.
I had my DPF cleaned by professional shop and it id not meet specifications.
I am still gaining experience with new gauges and seems the problem with that particular DPF is collapsed interior. It shows on the end holes and when I assumed the DPF pressure code comes due the clog - comparing values between 2 DPF - looks that troublesome DPF has too low differential pressure and that is what triggers the code.
When I am a bit skeptical about gauge accuracy - on couple occasions it did indicate regeneration started when I punched the accelerator on freeway ramp, but it would stop when I back off the foot and never come back on the drive. Sot was in 30-40 %
Talking about DEF again, I don't want to keep it topped off as I don't do 10k miles a year and story about DEF crystallization in the system make some topics.
I had my DPF cleaned by professional shop and it id not meet specifications.
I am still gaining experience with new gauges and seems the problem with that particular DPF is collapsed interior. It shows on the end holes and when I assumed the DPF pressure code comes due the clog - comparing values between 2 DPF - looks that troublesome DPF has too low differential pressure and that is what triggers the code.
When I am a bit skeptical about gauge accuracy - on couple occasions it did indicate regeneration started when I punched the accelerator on freeway ramp, but it would stop when I back off the foot and never come back on the drive. Sot was in 30-40 %
Talking about DEF again, I don't want to keep it topped off as I don't do 10k miles a year and story about DEF crystallization in the system make some topics.
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As you know, DEF will freeze at about 12 deg F. It doesn't just freeze solid, but starts to crystallize. The Bluetec system probably will try and thaw the DEF. But if car had been sitting for extended period outdoors, say at ski resort, then we may have a problem! In the video below, not having a full DEF tank and having some warm DEF on hand, bailed out one trucker: