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Old Jul 3, 2024 | 09:54 AM
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Super Secret Recalls W221 S350 Bluetec

Just wanted to let people know there are open recalls as of Dec 2023 that do NOT show up when you put your VIN in on the Mercedes website. The dealer told me about them when I set up an appointment for something else. It was actually hard to find any info online.

Note that one of these also applies to 2009-2012 Mercedes-Benz ML-Class, R-Class, & S-Class Bluetec cars.

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A service campaign is not a safety recall.
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Old Jul 5, 2024 | 09:22 AM
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A service campaign is not a safety recall.
Perhaps, but the lady at the Mercedes dealer definitely called them "recalls" and said they would take care of them.
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Old Jul 6, 2024 | 10:03 AM
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The lady is an idiot. It's not a recall, it's no secret.
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Old Jul 6, 2024 | 10:28 AM
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The lady is an idiot. It's not a recall, it's no secret.
Oh wow now I realize who you are. One can expect unpleasantness coming from you because that's all you spew here. Why can't you just be nice? Why call her (and thus me) an idiot for not fully understanding the situation? I am really surprised you haven't been banned from this forum long ago.
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Old Jul 6, 2024 | 11:22 AM
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When tjts1 is not nice guy, I grew up in Poland, where all my technical teachers were very strict on using proper nomenclature for parts as this way you can avoid lot of confusion, like above.
Typical is "pilot bushing" on 5G transmission. Not the best name for the part, but that is how parts catalog calls it.
Yet, maybe 1 owner out of 20 uses it, when the part generated almost a dozen different names and talking about them on forum can get very confusing.
Calling campaign a recall can have also legal consequences,
You'd not like when somebody passing your Mercedes would call it Yugo?

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Originally Posted by kajtek1
When tjts1 is not nice guy, I grew up in Poland, where all my technical teachers were very strict on using proper nomenclature for parts as this way you can avoid lot of confusion, like above.
Typical is "pilot bushing" on 5G transmission. Not the best name for the part, but that is how parts catalog calls it.
Yet, maybe 1 owner out of 20 uses it, when the part generated almost a dozen different names and talking about them on forum can get very confusing.
Calling campaign a recall can have also legal consequences,
You'd not like when somebody passing your Mercedes would call it Yugo?
only reason its a recall vs campaign is because they can get there asses sued off for killing people. Nothing like calling a benz a yugo or tdi or any other thing that doesnt matter one bit at all.

**** doesnt really contribute anything and only chimes in on oil threads or to try and poke at people that he/she doesnt agree with.
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Like it or not the fact remains that a TSB is not a recall. Calling it a recall does a disservice to anyone that has a genuine safety recall that must address.
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Originally Posted by tjts1
Like it or not the fact remains that a TSB is not a recall. Calling it a recall does a disservice to anyone that has a genuine safety recall that must address.
Changing a SCR or program for emissions is not a genuine safety concern FYI yet it is a recall.
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No matter if you like it or not, making false topic title looks like bad publicity stunt.
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Service campaign: Mercedes noticed that the radio sometimes glitches and drops bluetooth signals. Next time you're in their service bay, they reflash a system and the issue is done. No safety issues, no laws broken.
Recall: The Tanaka airbags sometimes blow up for no apparent reason. Letters are sent, folks are told to come to the dealer and get the issue fixed. Safety issue.
Recall: Mercedes is discovered to be cheating on emissions programs. Government dictates a change to the system. Letters are sent, owners are told to come get it fixed. Laws are broken.

Generally, a service campaign isn't going to kill you.
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Originally Posted by rapidoxidation
Service campaign: Mercedes noticed that the radio sometimes glitches and drops bluetooth signals. Next time you're in their service bay, they reflash a system and the issue is done. No safety issues, no laws broken.
Recall: The Tanaka airbags sometimes blow up for no apparent reason. Letters are sent, folks are told to come to the dealer and get the issue fixed. Safety issue.
Recall: Mercedes is discovered to be cheating on emissions programs (they paid money, vw was caught cheating). Government dictates a change to the system. Letters are sent, owners are told to come get it fixed. Laws are broken. (Didnt hurt anyone and is not a safety concern at all. Just the overreaching EPA hating on diesels in the US).

Generally, a service campaign isn't going to kill you.
By the way thanks EPA and CARB for not allowing us to have the best functioning hybrids available because of there hatred for diesel passenger cars.
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By the way thanks EPA and CARB for not allowing us to have the best functioning hybrids available because of there hatred for diesel passenger cars.
Oh they allowed it. It was Mercedes decision to not import their diesel hybrids because they are hot garbage. The best hybrids are still made by Toyota.


Mercedes has fallen far behind.
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Recall: Mercedes is discovered to be cheating on emissions programs. Government dictates a change to the system. Letters are sent, owners are told to come get it fixed. Laws are broken.

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That is fictional statement, so hardly good example for the case.
Actually I counted 3 false statements in 1 line.
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Oh they allowed it. It was Mercedes decision to not import their diesel hybrids because they are hot garbage. The best hybrids are still made by Toyota.


Mercedes has fallen far behind.
I've seen MB diesel hybrid in Las Vegas, so MB USA did import small number of them.
I researched it at the time and the concept was about "helper" electric motor, so kind of MB idea of getting on bandwagon, when IMHO hybrid on diesel will never make sense not only economically, but technically as well.
Diesel just sips too little fuel to benefit from helping electric motors.
For me, long term idea was plug-in hybrid that Porsche build. You can drive 30 miles on batteries, making city runs without starting the combustion engine and then take off for vacations with gasoline power.
But now Electric Vehicles are bandwagon. Will they prevail?

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Originally Posted by kajtek1
I've seen MB diesel hybrid in Las Vegas, so MB USA did import small number of them.
I researched it at the time and the concept was about "helper" electric motor, so kind of MB idea of getting on bandwagon, when IMHO hybrid on diesel will never make sense not only economically, but technically as well.
Diesel just sips too little fuel to benefit from helping electric motors.
For me, long term idea was plug-in hybrid that Porsche build. You can drive 30 miles on batteries, making city runs without starting the combustion engine and then take off for vacations with gasoline power.
But now Electric Vehicles are bandwagon. Will they prevail?
Same as any other hybrid electric. Get a plug in hybrid and they all do the same thing, they have a minivan that goes 50m on electric before engine kicks on. Full electric is only badwagon in certain areas other than that they are failing. I could see vegas or something like that until the heat kills the batteries.

Diesel hybrid makes perfect sense but I imagine they will screw it all up. Diesel hybrid works great on trains, ships, boats, and in vehicles unless CARB and EPA take over like they do with small passenger vehicles.
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