ZorroAMG

What does common always have to do with best? Chevy Cavaliers are more common than Ferraris. So?

Eibach and H&R do not lower the car as much and some people want it lower. i have had Intrax on BOTH of my W124's with great success.

As for Bilstein, they, as well, are not the best. Konis are JUST as good and it's a fact.

Man, some people's boxes are small.

ksing44

I understand your statement about common vs. being the best, but I was just saying that “after having a problem” it might be best to try what most others have used. From what I read, he does not want his car lower.

I have also heard that Koni shocks could be just as good, not better, but just as good. Bilstein shocks, however, are still a great choice and may in fact be the very best choice for a W124.

Maybe I am just too old to have a clue about what you are talking about with regard to boxes. Is that an insult of some kind? Cool dude! Enzo Benzo and all that stuff.

ZorroAMG

By boxes I meant what people choose to believe and try. It wasn't an insult, just punctuating my point:

"Bilstein shocks, however, are still a great choice and may in fact be the very best choice for a W124. "

Says who? You are making claims without any backup.

I am not trying to start a fight at all, just showing the narrow-mindedness of consumers with their product choices. What works for some, doesn't always work for everyone and just because one company's marketing and branding is stronger, that doesn't mean they offer better products. Brainwashing...that's all I'm talking about.

What I DIDN'T get is your last line about "Cool dude! Enzo Benzo and all that stuff. I want to make a movie!" Care to elaborate?

ksing44

Come on man, Bilstein shocks are the most common because they are the very best shocks you can get for the W124. They supply the things to Mercedes for heaven sakes. Take a poll if you want. That is basically what I did before I purchased mine. They are hands down the most highly recommended shocks for the W124. The same goes for the Eibach. There are clearly documented cases of Eibach suspension stuff being part of the AMG package. It is great that you had a good result with Koni and Intrax, but really…

Just being as silly as possible, because I thought the box thing was nonsense.

shadowgriffen

Sachs Germany Ftmfw!

ZorroAMG

KSing,

You of all people should realize (being a mercedes owner) that businesses like MB and ALL profitable companies do not always make decisions based on quality. Costs are ALWAYS an issue and neither one of us know the reason why Koni or any other company didnt become an OEM supplier over Bilstein. Don't sit at your computer and tell me that I am wrong about MB cost cutting decisions, have you HEARD about the W210?

My box comment was warranted, I see. Come ON man, Bilsteins are the most common because they have a decent product, and good marketing, not because they are the BEST.

Speaking of nonsense, I am done arguing with you, it's like talking to a kid set on a certain toy....let's just agree to disagree.

shadowgriffen

uuuhhh, hello everybody

ZorroAMG

Harrrrow!!!

shadowgriffen

Lol

Bigpete123

Frankly we can all argue about what's better, but unless we have had long-term experience with all of the products, we can only guess which is better.

I have only been in a stock W124 (mine) and a H&R/Bilstein-lowered W124 (mine). It's impossible for me to guess whether Intrax, Eibach, Vogtland, etc are better... same with shocks.

I have most definitely found that people on the forums who don't have direct experience with competing products almost always claim whatever they have is the best. It's silly. I'm always a fan of "loving the one you're with", but you can't make claims you can't support with experience.

ksing44

OK

ZorroAMG

I agree although I have had second hand experience with friends with the Bilstein/H&R/Eibach setups here in canada on their W124s and I have had 2 W124s with my current Intrax/Koni setup. Not just talking outta my butt here..

It's just goofy to claim one product is better based on a "norm" due to better marketing.

Ksing is a respectable member here with great posts, intelligent thoughts and I have nothing against him for the record.

ksing44

I think everything you said is true. In terms of direct personal experience, I guess I can only say that I am happy with my Eibach springs and Bilstein shocks. It is also true, however, that I must have read literally hundreds of posts about good results with the Bilstein shocks on a W124. I have also read many many posts about good results with H&R springs and many, but not quite as many, about good results with Eibach springs. I think most of us read these forums to gather exactly that kind of user information.

This started with a guy in trouble. I still think his best option is to go with a set-up that has made many many W124 owners very satisfied. The most frequent success stories seem to be H&R with Bilstein followed by Eibach with Bilstein.

ksing44

Also for the record, I have learned plenty from reading your posts, so I am always willing to listen to you.

RBYCC

It's impossible to ascertain which suspension setup is optimum on a vehicle that is driven solely on the street.
Too many variables come into play, especially on an older high mileage vehicle.

The only way one can determine the true effect of suspension modifications is on the track, by comparing lap times.

Other then proving with lap times any discussion of which is setup is best is purely subjective !

Some combinations of springs and shocks are more common and tend to be held up as the accepted "gold standard".
In reality it's a matter of preference and oft times economics on a street only vehicle

ZorroAMG

Awwwwwwww....shucks!

ksing44

I don't want to turn this into a love fest or anything, but I have to admit that you certainly know more about these cars than I do.

As for my end of this, I just felt sorry for the guy with the problem and thought he would be best served by going with something that had been used by many others.

Good luck gutmann, please let us know what you finally do for a solution.

CDP

You guys have seen the drop on my car with the new Vogtland V8 springs and IMO it's a pretty good *** drop.

V8 owners won't have to suffer anymore since I have the last remaining sets of Vogtland W124 V8 Springs. You guys will be getting them soon - Sorry for lagging on the whole set-up and what not.