E-Class (W124) 1984-1995: E 260, E 300, E 320, E 420, E 500 (Includes CE, T, TD models)

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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:11 AM
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i now drive a ford p71 i also own a 1988 ford f150 lariat
was a bit skeptical but wow

so i got this stuff for my car called RESTORE you put in your oil and it should clean out gunk and make the car run better. wow at 1st i thought how dumb but thought i should try what do i have to lose right. holy crap it works well then i got this 2 in one transmission stuff cleans gears and restores the seals dam it worked to. the leak has stopped to a little drip every 3 to 4 hours. now there is not a pool of read under my car. quick fix stuff i know but they will get me by until i pick up one more job.
oh and i have seen way better mpg im now going around 280 miles on one tank.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:19 AM
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i now drive a ford p71 i also own a 1988 ford f150 lariat
dont know if any one can help me but i got a photo of my smog read out from when i failed
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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The easiest way to make you pass smog would be to have a new cat put in. You can have one installed for $100 or less. Shop around. 15 minutes of calling around got me $104 after tax. Im sure if you called around for a day or so you could get a slightly better price.

Apparently your check engine light is on too, but thats just a matter of finding a smogger who doesnt care about the light as long as you pass the sniffer. Which is almost any of them.
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 01:25 AM
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One thing you definitely need to do is let your cats warm up at least 30 mins prior to a smog check.


Ohh yeah I would avoid any liquid sealants, those are just temporary fixes.
Think about it if you pour any of these liquids into your tranny, motor, or radiator to seal leaks what do you think that gunk is doing to the rest of your internal parts?

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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 03:14 AM
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the two load test in California your car is over 5-7 times the average values and far above a properly running engine that measures below the accepted max numbers for hc and no.A new cat is not going to make an engine with obvious problems pass the test all it will do is eat up the new cat.Is it burning oil,smoking,running poorly,missing.You need to get the codes read and follow the trail they lead you on.Advanced timing beyond specs is one of the greatest causes of both way out of range ho and nox.So get the codes,apply for the money from the state and get it back into tune,not only so it can pass but with that much unburned fuel going out the pipes at $5 a gallon you need every bit of it ignited in the cylinder
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 04:21 AM
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the two load test in California your car is over 5-7 times the average values and far above a properly running engine that measures below the accepted max numbers for hc and no.A new cat is not going to make an engine with obvious problems pass the test all it will do is eat up the new cat.Is it burning oil,smoking,running poorly,missing.You need to get the codes read and follow the trail they lead you on.Advanced timing beyond specs is one of the greatest causes of both way out of range ho and nox.So get the codes,apply for the money from the state and get it back into tune,not only so it can pass but with that much unburned fuel going out the pipes at $5 a gallon you need every bit of it ignited in the cylinder
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i have a miss fire going on with my car but it has gone away with the stuff i have done to my car. it pops up every now and again but thats only on start up or if im sitting to long with the motor running. i will have the timing looked at for my car and see if i can get it fixed. apparently i might of f-ed up when i did it my self

i burn some oil and have to add oil every 3 months and i never have seen my car smoke oh and i am one of the people on here who dose not care about paying for gas. and last i have no O2 on my car
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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Rio I posted this a long time ago when you complained about it around two months ago. Put a gallon of methanol in it from your local hardware store. I'm serious. Google. Again, I wasn't kidding, it works wonders if your low on cash and are willing to ignore a problem that may become worst....and in that case your already pretty good at that. I wouldn't tell you to do something that would hurt your car because knowing you, you would do it and we would all feel bad for not warning you . Just Google it and read up on it, a gallon costs around $10 USD, dump it in when your just about at reserve, take a spirited drive, and watch the guys face when you pull some nice smog numbers.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rio Z Lander
i have a miss fire going on with my car but it has gone away with the stuff i have done to my car. it pops up every now and again but thats only on start up or if im sitting to long with the motor running. i will have the timing looked at for my car and see if i can get it fixed. apparently i might of f-ed up when i did it my self

i burn some oil and have to add oil every 3 months and i never have seen my car smoke oh and i am one of the people on here who dose not care about paying for gas. and last i have no O2 on my car
No O2 sensor!#@!$#!%~^!$#^$#


We need to learn to ask the most obvious questions first with you Rio. Go buy a 02 sensor. (3-wire mustang 02 is a simple and cheap "Cut and splice" DIY at around $40) Search it.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 12:42 AM
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the two load test in California your car is over 5-7 times the average values and far above a properly running engine that measures below the accepted max numbers for hc and no.A new cat is not going to make an engine with obvious problems pass the test all it will do is eat up the new cat.Is it burning oil,smoking,running poorly,missing.You need to get the codes read and follow the trail they lead you on.Advanced timing beyond specs is one of the greatest causes of both way out of range ho and nox.So get the codes,apply for the money from the state and get it back into tune,not only so it can pass but with that much unburned fuel going out the pipes at $5 a gallon you need every bit of it ignited in the cylinder
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Its true that a new cat is not going to fix all of him problems, but it will most likely make him pass the sniffer. No doubt about it.

Im looking at my results at this very moment. Doing nothing but changing the cat brought my HC levels from 235 and 239, to 104 and 80.

It brought my NO levels from a staggering 2237 and 2027 to a mere 595 and 167. And my O2 levels from 0.8 and 0.7 to 0.4 and 0.2.

You should definitely look into making your own code reader Rio. Even if you dont have the money to fix the actual problems you will at very least know what they are, and can possibly map out some type of plan to get stuff done little by little.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 04:22 AM
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i now drive a ford p71 i also own a 1988 ford f150 lariat
methanol............that i will not do ever it just sounds ...well i dont know but i will not try that one

hay rivcal4life i have a question my car i have 3 cats 2 pre cats and one main cat.
the main cat is welded on along with the 2 pre cats witch bolt on at my headers

witch one would i replace it is all one unit on my car.

my auto teacher tells me to replace my spark plug wires there fu(ked if you ask me i mean just bad burn marks all over them and they feel limp and loose

and last to have my timing looked at out of it all im going with the cheap stuff 1st timing and wires if that dont help then i call and try to get my car fixed for free from the program
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 04:39 AM
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yeah after reading up on it i found this and many more things stating the same thing so yeah i will not try it at all the sad fact is running things like that in a motor can mess up a lot of things if the motor was not built to run it. not only that but in some cases it has ben proven that this stuff run throw older cars can kill the motor IF NOT BUILT TO RUN THIS STUFF
also in California it is illegal and you will pay a big find or jail time

this is a quote i got from a web site with alot of research put in to this



((From a chemists point of view, sounds fishy... I know enough about engine combustion to know that if you want to ever run "clean" fuels (ie. methanol or ethanol), you need to re-adjust multiple engine components to get it running right. If you were to add methanol to the fuel, it would NOT run cleaner. In fact, it may cause you to fail the emissions test even if you would have passed! Funny side note here: a friend of mine had an old Olds with over 300K kilometers on it and needed to pass emissions. So he took a bottle of octane from the lab and added it to his tank. Needless to say, he barely made it to the shop and luckily, didn't fail. Some guys will try anything.)))

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Funny I can give you a scanned image of my emissions report while running methanol.....and I passed with flying colors. I wasn't worth the 3 hour high speed pursuit on I-95 (damn chemists couldn't keep their mouth shut!) I failed the first time with 93 Octane. While my car is still running, and has been for over a year including 9 trips from Penn State University and back to CT I don't see the danger. Maybe I got lucky.


93 Octane=FAIL 1/4 Ratio of methanol=Pass (With flying colors)


...btw in CT there were no chemists in the garage I went to.....damn places cutting corners these days!

However, don't do it. I'm thinking about this and you'll find a way to blow your car up and I would rather you spend the $200-$350 for both CATs and fix the problem. FYI I found a new center CAT for non-calif cars on ebay for about $280 shipped so you might want to look.
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Funny I can give you a scanned image of my emissions report while running methanol.....and I passed with flying colors. I wasn't worth the 3 hour high speed pursuit on I-95 (damn chemists couldn't keep their mouth shut!) I failed the first time with 93 Octane. While my car is still running, and has been for over a year including 9 trips from Penn State University and back to CT I don't see the danger. Maybe I got lucky.


93 Octane=FAIL 1/4 Ratio of methanol=Pass (With flying colors)


...btw in CT there were no chemists in the garage I went to.....damn places cutting corners these days!

However, don't do it. I'm thinking about this and you'll find a way to blow your car up and I would rather you spend the $200-$350 for both CATs and fix the problem. FYI I found a new center CAT for non-calif cars on ebay for about $280 shipped so you might want to look.
Methonal is one of the main ingredients in diesel. When you introduce methonol into a system it is fine at first. the problem is your fuel system is not built for it because of how currosive it is i.e fuel pump, filters, fuel rail and injectors. A one time dump might not hurt you that bad but it could do long term damage. the first order of business is to go get the right cat for your car with an O2 sensor on it. if you do that you will likely fix most if not all of your issues. the car is made to run with the o2 info and if it is not present it will cause your car to be constantly compensating for what it thinks is a bad mixture of fuel and air. Judging by your report that is exactly what is going on. fix your car the right way. If you try and weasel around it you are going to run into other issues down the line anyhow so just do it right the first time. If you want your car to last you you gotta do things right.
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GEDaggett is right, thank you. At the same time, however, while you read the several thousand (exaggeration) other posts by Rio it seems as if he is low on cash constantly (somehow excluding gas expenses) but I will put my tally up for him to buy a new O2 sensor and CAT's. Let us know the result Rio! Good Luck!
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Old Jun 15, 2008 | 04:20 AM
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GEDaggett is right, thank you. At the same time, however, while you read the several thousand (exaggeration) other posts by Rio it seems as if he is low on cash constantly (somehow excluding gas expenses) but I will put my tally up for him to buy a new O2 sensor and CAT's. Let us know the result Rio! Good Luck!
well i got new spark plug wires. now my miss fire is gone. i am doing way better on gas i have gone a total of 68 miles and the needle has not moved much at all. next thing for me to do is raise 300 bucks for professional motor tune along with a new o2 for my car. my god it feels like it is not my benz any more it drives so much better and runs differently. now i find my self speeding very easy. im having to re learn to drive my car. but yeas my motor is out of tune i can feel it. timing is off but not to bad. but im not going to tuch that any more better leave it up to the pros i try to do 90% of the work on my car my self. seems my auto teacher was dead on with the needs new spark plug wires.
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Old Jun 15, 2008 | 06:46 AM
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How did you adjust the timing yourself? I thought timing was electronically controlled...via little resistor chips that plug into the wiring harness?

Glad to hear that the wires made a world of difference, don't let it lead to careless driving though. Careful Rio!
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I know in my m104 I can adjust the timing by advancing it manually, but I don't know how. My dad has not shown me yet :P

Good to hear you got rid of your misfire Rio, I had a set of ignition wires that were arcing that caused my car to run rough. Thankfully, that was taken care of. Then, my thermostat went, then either my cat or muffler has now gone. Also, my odometer has stopped working. But whatever, still like the car
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Old Jun 15, 2008 | 08:12 PM
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I know in my m104 I can adjust the timing by advancing it manually, but I don't know how. My dad has not shown me yet :P

Good to hear you got rid of your misfire Rio, I had a set of ignition wires that were arcing that caused my car to run rough. Thankfully, that was taken care of. Then, my thermostat went, then either my cat or muffler has now gone. Also, my odometer has stopped working. But whatever, still like the car
thermostat hummmmm mine is broken i know this i have seen mine and i dont like what i see. the last thing im doing will be getting my motor tuned. and after that i will see if it is running better. if i see that it is i will go and try smog again and go from the new number i get on the sheet. a new o2 is not a lot of cash i have found new ones for 90 bucks. i have no problem buying new parts for my car. i dont like used ones you never know what you could be getting or if it evan works. i do about 200 bucks worth of work on my car a week. no new parts are added but i do under the hood stuff cleaning, fixing, looking. try to see how much time i have left be for the next part goes. or trying to get more life out of a part.

my car is like my zen. working on it makes me happy. and if my car runs better from what i do i feel more confident like i can take on a bigger task.

not a bad car it just needs TLC
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