W124 Coilovers
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http://picasaweb.google.com/10768156...at=directlink#
ray has provided this link for our viewing pleassure...
more to come on this subject...
ray has provided this link for our viewing pleassure...
more to come on this subject...
1. We can't install the coil over without taking the spring out can we?
2. I see an image with separate shock and spring. May I ask why?
3. Can it be adjusted the ride high with out compress the spring section?
It look really like a normal shock&spring system for me now. It is not a coilover anymore.
(sorry about my english)
Last edited by greeny300e; Aug 5, 2011 at 01:31 AM.
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88-300CE TWIN TURBO, 99-C43, 05-G55K, 71-280SL, 94-E320 CAB, 08 CLK63 BLACK SERIES
http://picasaweb.google.com/10768156...at=directlink#
ray has provided this link for our viewing pleassure...
more to come on this subject...
ray has provided this link for our viewing pleassure...
more to come on this subject...
If the pic posted by the vendor is for the 124 then how is it a coil over?
I wouldn't use an unproven aftermarket suspension component that isn't built to OEM or higher spec on any car let alone a Merc !!!
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According to the picture I would like to ask some question
1. We can't install the coil over without taking the spring out can we?
2. I see an image with separate shock and spring. May I ask why?
3. Can it be adjusted the ride high with out compress the spring section?
It look really like a normal shock&spring system for me now. It is not a coilover anymore.
(sorry about my english)
1. We can't install the coil over without taking the spring out can we?
2. I see an image with separate shock and spring. May I ask why?
3. Can it be adjusted the ride high with out compress the spring section?
It look really like a normal shock&spring system for me now. It is not a coilover anymore.
(sorry about my english)
You communicate very well...it is no more then a substandard and potentially dangerous strut/shock spring installation.
You saw the difference in the vendors pix of the OEM and coilover supplied spring.
The weight of the car rides on the spring not on the strut.
The piece on top of the coil is an especially bizarre part of the design....what's the purpose other then to fill the gap left by the OEM spring ?
Ed A.
Last edited by RBYCC; Aug 5, 2011 at 07:33 AM.
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86 W124
Seems to me .... the height adjustment would be the thing on top of the spring. And then a regular shock with some bearings on top. Tho what's the yellow nut doing in the middle of the shock.
Mui confuzed meow...
Mui confuzed meow...
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I have sent an email to them today to cancel the order.
According to an image they put in EBAY I expect that the front part suppose to be a coil over system.
but It is not
Seem like B8+Eibach is the best solution.
Also since the structure that hold our shock in place is not designed to hold the weight of the car
It seem to me we still have to leave our original spring there for safety reason? (perhaps a 201 spring )
which mean we add more unsprung instead of remove.
According to an image they put in EBAY I expect that the front part suppose to be a coil over system.
but It is not
Seem like B8+Eibach is the best solution.
Also since the structure that hold our shock in place is not designed to hold the weight of the car
It seem to me we still have to leave our original spring there for safety reason? (perhaps a 201 spring )
which mean we add more unsprung instead of remove.
Last edited by greeny300e; Aug 6, 2011 at 10:03 AM.
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The yellow sports or whatever are not a coil over. As you guys have figured out. It is just an adjustable spring perch on a race spring in the stock location with a coil over shock without the spring on the shock. It gives you adjustability of so you can set ride height and thats really it.
The only true coil over is from Ground Control. They list it for the w201 chassis.
The problem is that it can not fit more wheel or tire over stock on it really.
The only true coil over is from Ground Control. They list it for the w201 chassis.
The problem is that it can not fit more wheel or tire over stock on it really.
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Yes very interesting... trying to see a final install.. the beast by design will always require a frame spring or whatever they call it ... as well as the shock and or adjustable coil... so .... i'm confused as well..
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The yellow sports or whatever are not a coil over. As you guys have figured out. It is just an adjustable spring perch on a race spring in the stock location with a coil over shock without the spring on the shock. It gives you adjustability of so you can set ride height and thats really it.
The only true coil over is from Ground Control. They list it for the w201 chassis.
The problem is that it can not fit more wheel or tire over stock on it really.
The only true coil over is from Ground Control. They list it for the w201 chassis.
The problem is that it can not fit more wheel or tire over stock on it really.
I've been trying to tell the thread that the 124 suspension is not designed for coilovers due to structural design and location/physical dimensions of the strut tower.
The posted link from the vendor clearly shows the 124 install and it is just how you describe.
Possible great for those that slam their cars but not so great or even safe for those that want to corner at speed
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Ed, could you verify this thought?
We know the strut mount is a weak link and couldn't support the weight of the car without springs. And even if reinforced and yadda yaddi... wouldn't the ball joint in the control arm also be stressed to support all that weight.
In such dangerous ways that the alignment could collapse toe??
Just analyzing what the springs support, right on the frame rails.
We know the strut mount is a weak link and couldn't support the weight of the car without springs. And even if reinforced and yadda yaddi... wouldn't the ball joint in the control arm also be stressed to support all that weight.
In such dangerous ways that the alignment could collapse toe??
Just analyzing what the springs support, right on the frame rails.
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I do not think that it is actually unsafe to use coil overs. I think that the shock tower is more than sufficient. The gain for a coil over is really only two things over our stock setup. 1st is adjustability. The yellow sport provides this with adjustable spring cups. You do not need their shocks though to gain this. I have heard that their setup is not adjustable with the springs on the car. This makes corner balancing very difficult. If you were racing then swapping springs and adjusting would be very difficult.
2nd is that the spring location being inboard for the stock location provides leverage over the spring. A true coilover puts the spring load point out at the wheel and standard spring rates are usable.
I think all that being said that the w124 chassis is not a car I would put these on. A really good shock and good springs and sway bar is sufficient for a street car and tracking a w124 does not make sense. The adjustability is not necessary for the street.
2nd is that the spring location being inboard for the stock location provides leverage over the spring. A true coilover puts the spring load point out at the wheel and standard spring rates are usable.
I think all that being said that the w124 chassis is not a car I would put these on. A really good shock and good springs and sway bar is sufficient for a street car and tracking a w124 does not make sense. The adjustability is not necessary for the street.
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I do not think that it is actually unsafe to use coil overs. I think that the shock tower is more than sufficient.
I think all that being said that the w124 chassis is not a car I would put these on. A really good shock and good springs and sway bar is sufficient for a street car and tracking a w124 does not make sense. The adjustability is not necessary for the street.
I think all that being said that the w124 chassis is not a car I would put these on. A really good shock and good springs and sway bar is sufficient for a street car and tracking a w124 does not make sense. The adjustability is not necessary for the street.
I have AMG modified KW's on my Black Series and they are there for adjustments for chassis balancing.
My comment about safety was that the vendor is calling their design a coil over which it is not.
So why have confidence in the quality of the product ?
Standard strut tower would have to have a more substantial upper mounting .
No info on any spring rates matching/compatible with the strut...important for ride stability as it "tunes" the suspension.
Commercially available struts/shocks/springs from companies like Bilstein are as good as you can get for maximum performance on a 124.
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Bad news
Those yellow racing guy said the image on EBAY may not the actual image of the product and insist not to return my money.
The first time in my-life that I feel like wanna kill someone (with a rod of fake coil over).
Those yellow racing guy said the image on EBAY may not the actual image of the product and insist not to return my money.
The first time in my-life that I feel like wanna kill someone (with a rod of fake coil over).
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So if he doesn't return your money, you've at least gotten something out of it. I hope you work it out, though...
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Well, we haven't ascertained that they're fake yet. At the very least, they're a sports shock with stiffer springs. Which is what you need for stiffness anyway...
So if he doesn't return your money, you've at least gotten something out of it. I hope you work it out, though...
So if he doesn't return your money, you've at least gotten something out of it. I hope you work it out, though...
A coilover is an automobile suspension device. "Coilover" is short for "coil spring over strut". It consists of a shock absorber with a coil spring encircling it.
AGAIN "a shock absorber with a coil spring encircling it"
I don't think the stuffs Yellow speed is sending to me fit in to "Coilover" term
Do you think this trade is fair for me???
Why don't they put a proper image since they have one!!!!!!
and if they put that picture on only I blind man would buy their fake coilover
IT IS NOT A COILOVER!
I get nothing!!! and I will not work anything out!
I am not going to make same mistake twice by putting product from someone who already cheat me in to my precious greenygranny.
What don't you buy this sport height adjust able shock and spring from me?
I will sell you half the price!!!!
Ps.If I want sport shock I go for Bilstein if I want stiffer spings I go for Eibach no need to think twice.
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Do you think this trade is fair for me???
What I did mean to imply, however, is that you should have checked out reviews, voiced a query here, at the very least sent them an email to discuss what you were buying BEFORE YOU GAVE THEM YOUR MONEY. That's your fault and no one else's, my friend.
I really mean no disrespect, I really don't...
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Now With hindsight I am glad I did not placed an order on them,
I had been quite disappointed when it apparently not really "coilover", may look for another solution if I want to have the car low enough.
Will be well to look for something sensible Airride kit.
Think also it is a bit bad manners to them not to write it in the item description, or the like. And when I was in contact when they talk and describe as normal coils
I had been quite disappointed when it apparently not really "coilover", may look for another solution if I want to have the car low enough.
Will be well to look for something sensible Airride kit.
Think also it is a bit bad manners to them not to write it in the item description, or the like. And when I was in contact when they talk and describe as normal coils
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From: Newport Beach
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bummer... never would of thought they wouldnt give you your dough back...
glad i didnt order these... Maybe i should go for a nice set of road suspension ?? ?
anyone have any plausible
examples..?
glad i didnt order these... Maybe i should go for a nice set of road suspension ?? ?
anyone have any plausible
examples..?
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From: Bangkok Thailand
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I have to apologies Mr ShoomakanLike noel said you never changed what v been and gone
So I am alright now
This is the first time I invest in new "new-brand" and I have learn my lesson.
I am a kind of DIY man and I know that with the right knowledge,tools and mind-set it possible to get good stuff with reasonable price.
This yellow speed people really let me down.
this is an example why I believe that cheap can be better.
Last time when I bought the light-weight forged wheel it coverd with irremovable brown brake stain. I checked the price of those wheel stain remover product which cost me around 20-30$ but at the end I spent 1$ for bottle of HCL and it clean my wheel as good (or better) than those big brand.
It didn't damage the painting it still shine and glossy as brand new.
with a nice sticker then put it on the shelf I can make a fortune can't I? lol
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TANABE SSR TYPE-C 15"x7-7.5 5x114.3 4.3Kgs
I auctioned it from JAPAN for 575$ include shipping.
anyway I recommend you people to go for 16" if you plan to
Tyre company don't provide top rank sport tyre for 15" (225/55)
they only sale 225/50 or 205/55
