Quicksilver500

Get with the guys on the 500 forum, there is at least one serious guy there. If I had the money right now I would do it. 2k for a 12.5 second quarter? There isn't better value for your money.

Let the collectors collect, everyone else drive like you stole it! There are plenty of cars in private collections and museums already not being enjoyed. My last 500E had 149k on it and my current has 152k, so close to my first badge, can't wait till my second one!

You also might be interested to know that like most things auto-awesome nitrous was an original MB factory thing....when they were building Messerschmitt's . I think they were the first ones to use nitrous on production engines, so I think its in the spirit of the car.

-Mike

BJaltima

Really? I'm new to my 4ooE so I'm curious as to why it would be better than a 5ooE in the 1/4 mile?

rivcal4life

I think what he meant was that, if he were going to mod a w124, then he would start with a common 400e. Not a rare 500e which he believes should be preserved in its original state and admired for the piece of art that it is.

Anyway, we can still do this guys! I think if we came to Steve with 3 buyers, he would not turn us down. It's the holidays and everyone needs money, and $5650 is nothing for even the wealthiest of us to sneeze at.

$1850 and you can be running with Porshe's, smoking SVT mustangs, new corvettes, E55's, you name it.

1995E320Cab

This sounds like a sweet set up.... I'm on the hunt for a 500 so I my be joining up for this soon also.

BJaltima

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Damn, I was all excited for a moment. Thanks for bursting my bubble!

haha.

Saijin_Naib

The only w124 that would be one better than the 500e would probably be the e60.

rivcal4life

Dont get me wrong, with one of these kits you will still be running faster than any stock 500e. And the best part is, on a 400e, no one would expect it!

I would expect low 13's from a 400e with this system.

BJaltima

Personally, not a fan of NOS. However, thanks for the info.

rivcal4life

I spoke with Steve this week and he is still interested in a group buy! I did not get an exact number from him for a group buy, but the single kit is now at $2100. So I would expect a group buy price to be somewhere around $1950-$2000.

I am getting a kit with or without you guys, but I did want to give anyone interested one last chance to make this happen.

Mike, are you in a position to make this purchase now?

1995E320Cab: I know you've got your 500e now, and a very nice one at that. I know you spent a pretty penny on those beautiful wheels of yours, (Still envious of those by the way!) so you may or may not be interested in putting more money in the car right now. You did express interest though, and this may be our last chance to do this.

rivcal4life

Still no interest?

CDP

Sounds like your GB isn't going to go through.

rivcal4life

I am buying my kit either way, I just thought I'd give anyone else a chance to jump in before I did. The last guy that bought a kit on his own got chewed out for not waiting for the GB to come together.

Anyhow, this was posted by Steve today:

"Nitrous Kits Group Buy ASAP
After considering the recent interest in nitrous and comments about a group buy here it is. This is a limited time offer(very limited time)

I will offer the kits for 2050.00 each if I have 3 orders, I will further lower the price to 2000.00 for 5 or more orders. The cost of several items has gone up since the last offer and this IS the best price I can offer. The catch IS the time limit; orders must be placed by 5-25-10 and all orders must be paid in full (pay pal payments add 3%) The price is all inclusive; the kit contains an electronic bottle valve, bottle heater and includes shipping in the lower 48 states. The delivery is 3-4 weeks from the dead line, the lead time on the components is out of my control.

The two week window will begin now. I am not sure of export on these so regrettably this offer is only available in the USA.

Steve"

CDP

Why does he need the 3% charge from PayPal? Tell him to tell his people to send their payments as a gift. lol

rivcal4life

Never heard of that. Genuis!

mikekuriger

Hmm, I paid less than $400 for my zex 150 shot kit.

rivcal4life

It's all about fuel management. Your car has a newer, more easily adjusted, piggybacked, and remapped system than the old '92 Bosch LH.

The system development for our m119 engines was extensive and expensive.

I, for one, would rather spend a few more dollars now and not have to worry about blowing rings or melting pistons down the road.

2PHAST

To fully duplicate a Bergwerks N20 system (with all the safe guards) your looking at spending around 800-900, assuming you can get everything at reasonable prices (or wholesale)

Quicksilver500

Yeah but it really isn't worth it to try to get everything right to save a few bucks when Steve can sell you the whole thing with the bugs worked out as almost plug and play. M119 is a whole different animal than those newer motors. Value is pretty damn big on that kit if you just want a few extra horses for a sprint.

Also, I will not be buying the kit, I have decided to invest in other upgrades. I am afraid that I would run through bottles too quick, would rather just have more reliable power on tap.

-Mike

2PHAST

Big difference between $900 and $2000, so its more than just a "few" bucks.

I will admit though, if you have never seen a BW kit in person or have access to the original installation instructions, you are in the dark about many of the aspects of the installation and without that information I wouldn't even attempt to duplicate the kit.

N20 isn't my thing either, I won't be buying a kit or building one at this point.

Steves kit is complete and well put together, just like all the Bergwerks products. Anyone buying the kit won't be dissapointed with it.

mikekuriger

for me, the zex kit is foolproof. It has an adjustable window switch (mine kicks on at 3500 and off at 6000), activates on WOT, and monitors fuel pressure to shut the system off in case of fuel pressure loss. Taps right into the stock fuel rail without modifying anything. Installed the nozzle in my MAF sensor housing and ran the lines under the car to the trunk area. Seriously a simple job and not $1800.

What extras do you get with that $1800 kit? I paid a little extra for a bottle heater. It think it was $20.

My buddy went a step further and has a 2 gallon fuel cell in his trunk with C16 in it! So when his NOS kicks on, the stock fuel system is untouched and extra fuel comes from the fuel cell.

I have another friend with a progressive direct port injection system on his Viper. He runs a 500 shot. That system uses a laptop and has many more failsafes than my system. It even monitors the wideband and shuts down if the A/F goes above a pre-set threshold. That kit was $$$, I'm thinking he paid $5000 or so installed. But it looks amazing!

2PHAST

Zex is what I would use. The BW kit is very complete and includes much more than a base Zex kit (e.g. remote bottle opener, heater, pressure guage, etc. and some proprietary stuff), so once you get done adding up all the accessory add-on's, your somewhere in the realm of $800-900. For the novice, its a nice kit designed specifically for the 500e and comes with very detailed instructions. There is no doubt it is a excellent kit, well designed and well thoughtout, just not a very good value (at 2k)

rivcal4life

Well the group buy is off. I was the only person who followed through and shoveled out the money. Should have my kit within a month. Stay tuned!

mikekuriger

Can't wait to see how that thing fly's with the nos!

rivcal4life

Picked up my kit a few weeks ago. Im finally getting into the install. Once I got into it, I noticed my fuel pressure regulator needed replacing. Come delivery on Monday, I should be able to throw up some videos.

rivcal4life

Finished up the wiring tonight and got her out for a test drive.

Floored it and.....NOTHING! I'm confident I wired everything fine, so I'm thinking it's a fuel pressure issue. I don't think I'm generating enough to engage the Hobbs switch.

So alas, it will be at least another day until it's working the way it should be.