W124 300e-24
05-08-2003, 07:48 AM
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W124 300E-24
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Can anybody tell me ???
I have a W124 300E-24, I have been told that the engine was made/developed by Cosworth Engineering, is this right???
I have a W124 300E-24, I have been told that the engine was made/developed by Cosworth Engineering, is this right???
05-08-2003, 08:02 AM
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The only thing I know about Cosworth participation in MB engines was the 2,3 litre 16valve 4 cylinder introduced in 1984 in the 190E, but maybe this finally lead to the 300E 24V which, but I never heard thereof.
05-08-2003, 08:15 AM
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W124 300E-24
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Thanks very much,
Yes i knew the interest Cosworth played in the 190 they did the 2.3 and the later 2.5 engines but as i say would like to know about the 300E. i've only had the car about 2 weeks and enjoying every moment i'm in it. Thanks again.
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Alan
Yes i knew the interest Cosworth played in the 190 they did the 2.3 and the later 2.5 engines but as i say would like to know about the 300E. i've only had the car about 2 weeks and enjoying every moment i'm in it. Thanks again.
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Alan
05-08-2003, 10:08 AM
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W124 300E-24
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Thanks Mate,
Yes its a lovely car, got it off my Dad who had it from new. It's a 'j' reg, with a Cat, Sportline suspention/wheels/seats, Electric sunroof, Manual 5-speed with only 42,500miles on the clock, full MB service history. I will be posting some pictures soon as i can. Look forward to speaking again,
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Alan
Yes its a lovely car, got it off my Dad who had it from new. It's a 'j' reg, with a Cat, Sportline suspention/wheels/seats, Electric sunroof, Manual 5-speed with only 42,500miles on the clock, full MB service history. I will be posting some pictures soon as i can. Look forward to speaking again,
Regards,
Alan
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05-08-2003, 07:44 PM
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350SLC, 500SLC, 300TE, 190E 2.3 Sportline
Now I'm envious
Alan,
A 300E-24 Sportline with manual tranny, I'm envious. That thing must be fun to drive. I guess about the only improvement would be if it had no cat and was a CE (coupe) rather than a sedan. Just don't tell me it is that lovely pine green (dark metallic green with lighter green lower panels, my favourite W124 colour).
Does the gearbox have 1st to 4th in the H pattern or 2nd to fifth? I believe some had 1st across to the left and back as in the 190E 2.3-16. My 190E 2.3 Sportline has the conventional 5-speed pattern with 5th across to the right and forward.
Regarding your question about Cosworth's involvement, my understanding is that they only did the early 16 valve version the M102 (2.3-16). MB used this development and subsequently did the 2.5-16 version themselves. They also used this experience to develop the 24 valve M104 six (3.0 and later 2.8, 3.2 and ultimately 3.6 AMG) from the earlier M103 12 valve. Ultimately, MB replaced the M102 four with the M111 four using experience gained from the earlier multivalve engines.
Regards,
Greg
A 300E-24 Sportline with manual tranny, I'm envious. That thing must be fun to drive. I guess about the only improvement would be if it had no cat and was a CE (coupe) rather than a sedan. Just don't tell me it is that lovely pine green (dark metallic green with lighter green lower panels, my favourite W124 colour).
Does the gearbox have 1st to 4th in the H pattern or 2nd to fifth? I believe some had 1st across to the left and back as in the 190E 2.3-16. My 190E 2.3 Sportline has the conventional 5-speed pattern with 5th across to the right and forward.
Regarding your question about Cosworth's involvement, my understanding is that they only did the early 16 valve version the M102 (2.3-16). MB used this development and subsequently did the 2.5-16 version themselves. They also used this experience to develop the 24 valve M104 six (3.0 and later 2.8, 3.2 and ultimately 3.6 AMG) from the earlier M103 12 valve. Ultimately, MB replaced the M102 four with the M111 four using experience gained from the earlier multivalve engines.
Regards,
Greg
05-09-2003, 12:52 PM
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W124 300E-24
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Thanks for you message Greg,
Yes it's a lovely car to drive, brings the pleasure back to driving. My last car was an '86 Renault Alpine 2.8 V6 turbo, which was excedingly fast but not very comfortable. No to the question about the colour, it's champain gold with slightly darker lower half, will post som pics soon. The manual transmition has 1'st gear over to the left and down with a dog leg up to second (think this is the 'ZF' gear box). Which is actually quite user friendly as most of the time you only need 2nd to 5th anyway. Thanks also for the remarks on the Cosworth side of things.
Regards,
Alan
Yes it's a lovely car to drive, brings the pleasure back to driving. My last car was an '86 Renault Alpine 2.8 V6 turbo, which was excedingly fast but not very comfortable. No to the question about the colour, it's champain gold with slightly darker lower half, will post som pics soon. The manual transmition has 1'st gear over to the left and down with a dog leg up to second (think this is the 'ZF' gear box). Which is actually quite user friendly as most of the time you only need 2nd to 5th anyway. Thanks also for the remarks on the Cosworth side of things.
Regards,
Alan
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300TE 24v Sportline
We should get a UK 24valve meet sorted
On this forum and the other one, there are now quite a few 300-24valves.
We should try and get togther and terrorise a few BMW's sometime!
Would make a great set of pics....
We should try and get togther and terrorise a few BMW's sometime!
Would make a great set of pics....
05-11-2003, 07:18 PM
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350SLC, 500SLC, 300TE, 190E 2.3 Sportline
Getrag 'box?
Alan,
The 190E 2.3-16 with the dogleg 1st gear got a Getrag gearbox. I don't know if yours is the same but it may be. I am unaware of any W124s in Australia with the dogleg 1st. In fact, I can't think of ever seeing a manual W124 here. Aussies tend to like autos in larger cars and particularly luxury cars.
Greg
The 190E 2.3-16 with the dogleg 1st gear got a Getrag gearbox. I don't know if yours is the same but it may be. I am unaware of any W124s in Australia with the dogleg 1st. In fact, I can't think of ever seeing a manual W124 here. Aussies tend to like autos in larger cars and particularly luxury cars.
Greg
05-11-2003, 07:37 PM
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E300-24 is a...
The E300-24 was a jubile model of the E300 engine. The new replacing and more efficent E280 engine have a 24valve top. This top was placed on the 300 base and therefore the name E300-24.
Happy motoring, Danny
Happy motoring, Danny
05-13-2003, 10:36 AM
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300TE 24v Sportline
Hey Daniel Thats not what I heard
When BMW launched the 24valve versions of the 525, 530 engines, Mercedes were left flat footed with 12valves in the E class.
They developed the 24 valve heads from what they had learn't from the multivalve 4 cyl 190E-2.3 & 2.6.
The result was the 300E-24v. However, once restricted with cats, these units were not as pokey as they wanted hence the bore out to 3.2 litres for the 320. (the 280 is a reduced stroke 300).
The original non-cat 300E-24 engines are the most powerful but a little fragile and with a 7,000 rpm redline not in keeping with the relaxed E class image. They also had trouble getting them through US emissions.
A UK spec non cat 300E-24valve puts out more power than a Uk spec 320E with Cat (230bhp+ against 217bhp).
From the specs I've read, the US only E400's are slower so the only faster W124's are the AMG modified cars and the 500E.
A clean and tidy well serviced but otherwise stock 300E-24 Uk spec will hit 0-60 in low 7 seconds and go on to 147mph (only 8 mph and 1 second down on the top speed electronically limited E500).
The same 24v 3litre was used in the 300SL-24 for a while too.
Finding parts (recon or used) for these M104 3litre 24valves is not easy. For example, I was unable to find a recon head when my head gasket went. But thankfully my original one was not cracked and a good de-coke and valve seals was all it needed. Good job too because Mercedes wanted the *** end of £4,000 for a new one ($6,000).
They developed the 24 valve heads from what they had learn't from the multivalve 4 cyl 190E-2.3 & 2.6.
The result was the 300E-24v. However, once restricted with cats, these units were not as pokey as they wanted hence the bore out to 3.2 litres for the 320. (the 280 is a reduced stroke 300).
The original non-cat 300E-24 engines are the most powerful but a little fragile and with a 7,000 rpm redline not in keeping with the relaxed E class image. They also had trouble getting them through US emissions.
A UK spec non cat 300E-24valve puts out more power than a Uk spec 320E with Cat (230bhp+ against 217bhp).
From the specs I've read, the US only E400's are slower so the only faster W124's are the AMG modified cars and the 500E.
A clean and tidy well serviced but otherwise stock 300E-24 Uk spec will hit 0-60 in low 7 seconds and go on to 147mph (only 8 mph and 1 second down on the top speed electronically limited E500).
The same 24v 3litre was used in the 300SL-24 for a while too.
Finding parts (recon or used) for these M104 3litre 24valves is not easy. For example, I was unable to find a recon head when my head gasket went. But thankfully my original one was not cracked and a good de-coke and valve seals was all it needed. Good job too because Mercedes wanted the *** end of £4,000 for a new one ($6,000).
