linh

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Brandon @ Kleemann

KLEEMANN USA has to stay current, new W211 E500 ordered and being delivered 2nd week in October. How many cars should I have? (CLK 43K, E32K and C23K currently- how many do I need?)

Tezta

So is KLEEMANN going to sell a fully KLEEMANNized W211 when it comes out? HOw much?

Brandon @ Kleemann

I have not an idea what my E500 will cost me- I ordered LONG ago. To this date my dealer has no confirmed pricing.

As always it will vary on options from MBZ and the level to which you "KLEEMANIZE" your car. Full spec wil be $40K plus (Kompressor, wheels/tires, lowering module, ex system, aero parts, leather interior, wood trim, leatherheadliner/a/b/c/pillars etc).

We have always offered complete cars.

linh

The seller claimed his car performance equal to the E55. What a joke...lol !!!

Brandon @ Kleemann

Really??

A Joke?

Ill run circles around a stock E55 with that car. Power and TQ so close so its not even funny- suspension and brakes far better.

linh

Kleemann, maybe you are right. But what i saw at the Ervine Spectrum raced between the Kleemann Clk 43K, C32 and E55. Kleemann car came in last, buddy !!

linh

Wait a minutes? The seller claimed it equal to the E55 performance. But you claimed that you run around the E55 with it. So who's is lying...lol?

Sleestack

Linh, no offense, but that race at Irvine, was it not the case that the driver of the CLK was Terry? No offense to Terry, but he kind of counts for 2 to 3 people. You can say all you want about the Kleemann product, but, I can assure you that their product is the real deal. I had my Kleemanized CLK dyno'd on several different dynos and had straight line races against Z06's, Z8s, 550 Maranellos and beaten them all... I won't even mention M3's, C32s and the numerous other cars that aren't worth mentioning. It is true that a stock CLK will have trouble putting all that power to the ground, however, the Kleemannn product delivers as promised. Until you can figure out a way to get a 4.3 liter CLK pumping out a reliable 490 hp and 460 lb/ft torque, I wouldn't spend all your time resenting the fact that some people (certainly not me), might know more than you. As for the Kleeman's E32K beating a stock E55, I wouldn't be surprised, especially in the cool climates of Colorado.

Mach430

I'll have to boast that my CLK43K can also run, spin, and drift circles around an E55 or C32. Both cars are also great, but how many of them put this to the wheel?


That's more HP to the wheels, than the E55 or C32 has at the crank. And almost the same for Torque. Now, slap some upgrades on either car, and they can be in the same ballpark, but I've got more planned for my car as well.

Thanks

Ben

Fast Eddy

So dude , Terry is hte problem here? Is that what you think? Are we to assume here that you (having beaten all the cars you mentioned above) are Calista Flockhart in mens pants?
Terry has to be a fool---he should have dropped a few pounds instead of dropping all that dough on KLeemann.

Sleestack

Listen man, the driver I am speaking of (without offending him greatly) is a big, big, big... can I stress big, man.... really big. The drivers of the cars I have been beating seemed to be averaged size (meaning anywhere from 155 - 220 lbs) . I think Terry was a big part of the problem in that case, however, I was not there to witness. My car is putting out 40 more hp and 25 more lb/ft torque at the rear wheel than a regular Kleeman CLK430 so I don't think its so surprising that I had been beating those cars I have mentioned. I'm not quite sure why people have trouble believing a car with 490 hp and 460 lb/ft torque can tear up the road. Anyway, Terry is no fool... he is a Ferrari/Lamborghini mechanic that knows more about cars than the wannabe car experts (including myself) on this board...... oh, Fast Edddy, I forgot about not wasting my time responding to you, oh well, too late.

Brandon @ Kleemann

I am supposed to take a "loose" gathering at Irvine where three cars lined up in a parking lot- got started by a person waving their hands, then all had to stop abruptly be cause the parking lot was so short? The the rent-a-cop came? What bull**** is this? This is the definitive performance test?

Lets take a real testing environment like a timed lap on a track or perhaps a 1/4mile strip in any town USA.

The point is this: the HP is identical (peak) the TQ is not (advantage E55). The E55 rear ratio is 2.88:1, the E320 is 3.07. The E32K will routinely get to 60 in 5.6 seconds- off by 2 10ths- at a road cousr a driver with my E32K bested the times of a stock E55. I have dusted/beaten (however you want to say it) E55's on the street and track. Its a performance reference for those who might not spend their life on the internet MBZ boards bench racing- anyone who is really interested in that car will drive it before they buy and make the choise for themselves.

linh

Sleestack,

My point is that, if the Clk43K having hard time beat the other two, how is the Clk32K is going to performance against the other two? Come on, guys? It a clear cut lost to the other two! Why is there alway a reason when someone lost to a race? Btw, Simon from Evosport also said that the Clk43K felt slow then the E55 after he test drive them both.

The Clk32K 0-60 in 6.1s and the E55 0-60 in ???? Need i say more? look, i believe the Clk43K have a chance the beat the E55 but not the Clk32K, NO WAY !!!

linh

Kleemann,

Oh btw, are those spec. claimed on the Clk32K is as good at the claim on your pulley that it will not have any kind of problem once you install? J/K !!

Brandon @ Kleemann

***mean comment retracted***

Mach430

Before my car was finished (CLK43K), we were test driving it around the town. Simon said that "It feels faster than mine (E55)." The next day, everything was complete, and the dyno showed an increase of 30HP/Torque over the previous. So, if you take a car that is faster, than add more power, is it not still faster?

It is much easier to say with confidence that the E32K is faster, after driving it or seeing it at the track. Take your pick. And yes, the 43K is much faster than a stock 55.

Sleestack

Linh, the real fact to me is that those who actually own or have driven Kleemann cars actually have a point of reference from which they speak. Despite what you might have seen that day, I can assure you that I have run my car against C32s and E55s and ther is really no comparison. Both Simon and Brad have driven my car and were comparing it to Z06s, Modenas and 911 Turbos, not E55s. I'm not quite sure why you have such a hard time believing that cars with simiar hp and torque (speaking about the E32K and E55) would put up similar numbers. I think spending some time with a Kleemann car would quickly cure your skeptcism.

linh

Guys, you are right !!! But just because the V6 produced the same HP as the V8 is does not mean it as fast as an V8. Ah, most people just look at the HP and compared it to other car but they don't realize the most importance thing thing we should look at is the "power curve band". There's nothing like a V8 flat curve power band.

Sleestack

It think all of the people involved in this thread understand that. Obviously, the V8 pulls harder earlier and drops off later. I have never compared an E32K dyno to a stock E55 dyno, however, if you look at a dyno of my car compared to a stock E55, you will see that my car's powerband destoys the E55 at every point. I agree that there is nothing like a V8 flat curve, especially when it has a Kleemann SC driving it.

linh

Sleestack,

No doubt, you have one of the fastest Mercedes out there based on all the mods you have done to it. It the E32K that i questioning of. I still think with all those money you spended to mods your car, you could have buy something that is....???? Just mine opinion.

mikE55

Kleemann does have great performance products. But for me, the hot pink color scheme used on the engine cover and brakes etc. just isn't my cup of tea.

Sleestack

No engine cover on the SC for CLKs.

Sleestack

I definitely could have spent that money on a different car, however, the W208 is one of my favorite body styles on any car and if I want a car that badly, I'lkl go out and get it. I think its much more interesting to try to build a unique supercar, then to go out and buy one. Anyway, once my car is done with its next round of upgrades, you are welcome to swing by Evosport and check it out.

Blue Benz

I was also at the Irvine spectrum and saw that race. What I noticed was that the tires on that CLK43 K were pretty much BALD. I imagine just flooring a CLK43 K would break the tires VERY eaisily so there goes the launch because he didn't have any grip. 2nd thing I noticed was that the guy had been doing doughnuts and brake stands for more than 30 min. so i'm sure the engine was not at it's normal temp.