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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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Damaged wheels while replacing tires

Went to Sams two nights ago and had al four tires replaced w/ some Goodyear Eagle F1 GS's - anyway since I've got the 18" monoblock replica's they needed some special machine to complete to process - the lips on all of my wheels have gouges in them, as if something clawed/latched onto the lips... Already called them and will go down tomorrow to have them take pictures and send it to home office, as they are self insured for further handling.

Any advice guys? Anyone experience something similar and what was teh result? I'll try to post some pic later...
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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thankfuly that didnt happen to my monos..but when i was a ricer it happened to my adr's and i was pissed! apparetnly not all shops are set up with the newest machines (the ones with rubber not metal) so when they push the tire down onto the rim metal hits metal and you have dings... if the shop has a rubber thing for their machine then when it pushes down rubber hits metal and no dings... hope you had before pix so you can show them the after other wise they might be like the dings were there already... good luck man
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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by the way, any chance you can tell me where i can go for the monoblock replicas? and are yours staggered setup? if so what are sizes and did you lower the car? thanks
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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I`m looking for Monoblock replicas too. It`s for a 2002 S500, and i need 18". Thanks anyone
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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OUCH! Sometimes they do have to use a crow bar type piece of metal to stretch open the tires to fit them. When I did my P-zerro rossos, they had a particularly tough time doing it - it hurt just looking at them do it but fortunately my wheels were fine.

Chris, I'm sorry to state the obvious but this just proves your replicas are real soft, coupled with the shop's carelessness I guess (my previous AMGs were fine after a number of tire changes). If the lip isn't bent out of shape but are merely dented I guess they can dremel it and shine it up like how they repair the outter lip but obviously it thins and therefore weakens the lip more. I would suggest getting them to repair them and trading them in for a set of used but genuine AMG's (if budget is an issue).
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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The wheels aren't trashed, just damaged. It appears that a claw like item grabbed a hold of th inner part of the lip as if to keep the wheel in place - there does not appear to be any deformation or bending of the rim - it's just the fact that the a dimples if you will around the lip and misc scratches from the claw thing - I can't say if the rims are soft or not, I haven't had any problems as far as bending the rims on bad potholes or anything. Driven through NY on 95 a bunch of times :v I think that all that the would have had to have done is put some rubber underneath to prevent this clawing of my wheels. I'll see what their claims dept says.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by michakaveli
The wheels aren't trashed, just damaged. It appears that a claw like item grabbed a hold of th inner part of the lip as if to keep the wheel in place - there does not appear to be any deformation or bending of the rim - it's just the fact that the a dimples if you will around the lip and misc scratches from the claw thing - I can't say if the rims are soft or not, I haven't had any problems as far as bending the rims on bad potholes or anything. Driven through NY on 95 a bunch of times :v I think that all that the would have had to have done is put some rubber underneath to prevent this clawing of my wheels. I'll see what their claims dept says.
Oh IC...normally they would "claw" the inner edge of the wheel and not the outer lip but as mentioned, they sometimes need to lever open the tires (on both sides of the wheel) to fit them properly. My shop always wraps electrical tape around the claws of the machine and never the outer edge of the wheel when placed on the tire fitting machine (i.e. faced upwards). Good luck on your claim.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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I had originally purchased my wheels from www.Bekkers.com - I checked their site and they no longer have any in stock, only the 18x9.. DOOHHH, thi sowuld have been the perfect time to get teh staggered setup as I currently don't have the staggered setup. But then again w/o the staggered setup I can rotate my tires, and my last set lasted me 41,000 miles
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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having had a shop before and personally changing tires on more than 500 cars I can state all the obvious mistakes made. There machine is evidently an older machine if the claw grabs the base of the rim from the Outside. Even when I had one of the older machines I would place a rag on each of the four claws to prevent the "dimples" of the claw showing up. and that was for normal rims. If the rims were "reverse" mount, meaning they are mount from the backside with the rim face down, I would further pad the claws. I did not even know wal-mart carried 18" tires. Next time I would go to a tire shop, cause they tend to have the newest and state of the art equipment. Plus I would have to speculate that 18's are the biggest wheels that claw machine at wal-mart could do. I've yet to see a machine that clawed from the outside do anything bigger than an 18.

oh well chalk it up to experience.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by michakaveli
I had originally purchased my wheels from www.Bekkers.com - I checked their site and they no longer have any in stock, only the 18x9.. DOOHHH, thi sowuld have been the perfect time to get teh staggered setup as I currently don't have the staggered setup. But then again w/o the staggered setup I can rotate my tires, and my last set lasted me 41,000 miles
What kind of tires did you have that lasted you 41,000 miles?
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by michakaveli
my last set lasted me 41,000 miles
My last set of Goodyear F1 GS-D3 last me only 15K mile !!. I was a lazy bump, didn't rotate the tire at all. Worse, with the Bistein HD installed, I always took on/off highway ram as if it's a race car !!. By the time I realize that the outer side was kinda bold, it's too late.

With the current set (same brand), I rotate front-rear every 5K mile, and left-right (swap tire/rim) every 10K mile. 20K mile so far, and look like tires have a lot of life left.

The GS-D3 is amazing. Kick my previous Michelin Pilot Sport for lunch.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lexrex
What kind of tires did you have that lasted you 41,000 miles?
ContinentalContiExtreme Contact - they are all season tires and I drove like a granny. Ok, sometimes I got on it :-)

I really loved those tires. I wanted those tires again but couldn't find a retailer that would install them and warranty them from the same location.
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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zam2000
My last set of Goodyear F1 GS-D3 last me only 15K mile !!. I was a lazy bump, didn't rotate the tire at all. Worse, with the Bistein HD installed, I always took on/off highway ram as if it's a race car !!. By the time I realize that the outer side was kinda bold, it's too late.

With the current set (same brand), I rotate front-rear every 5K mile, and left-right (swap tire/rim) every 10K mile. 20K mile so far, and look like tires have a lot of life left.

The GS-D3 is amazing. Kick my previous Michelin Pilot Sport for lunch.
I just bought those Goodyear F1 GS-D3 for my monoblocks. I reviewed TireRack for their reviews and the reviews between the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 and the Continental ContiExtreme Contact were huge. Since I've moved to a "non-snow" region I wanted to find a good comfortable tire that performs great in the wet. The treadwear also looked good on their reviews.

Zam what are your pro's and con's on this tire. It seems like a sweet tire so far. Smooth and quiet. Zam what size are you running on yours? Mine are 235/40/18.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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I have 235/45/17. I used to have Michelin (Sport Pilot and Primacy), and Continental prior to that. None really near this Goodyear in term of handling: car stick to road like gum.

Pro: awesome handling, no trambling (major problem w/ the Primacy), very strong tirewall, no problem w/ wet road. Good tread-rate (provided that you rotate). And quite reasonable price

Cons: since sticky handling encourage "spirit" driving, tire can worn out quickly. Also, a bit noisy when worn. Costco doesn't carry it, so installation and rotation is pricey (especially when you have to do tire/rim swap rotation)

I'm on my second set. Will probably try the BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW next (just curiousity)

Originally Posted by michakaveli
Zam what are your pro's and con's on this tire. It seems like a sweet tire so far. Smooth and quiet. Zam what size are you running on yours? Mine are 235/40/18.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by zam2000
I'm on my second set. Will probably try the BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW next (just curiousity)
That was actually my first choice. A friend has them on his Maurauder and loves them. Read the reviews on TireRack, and for an extra $20 per tire @ Sams, the Goodyears seemed like a better tire for the money.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:33 AM
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I am about to go get my wheels swapped out today, taking off the Goodyears and putting on the Pilot Sports for better snow traction (ensuring that it won't snow the rest of the season). As Zam said, the goodyears are great. You won't get 40k out of them, but 30 is not out of line.
After I installed the lowering springs, I was riding with a friend, and I scared the crap out of him by taking a tight t-intersection at around 40mph. The tires didn't even chirp and barely broke traction. Stick like glue.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:45 AM
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I am about to go get my wheels swapped out today, taking off the Goodyears and putting on the Pilot Sports for better snow traction (ensuring that it won't snow the rest of the season).
Get at least some snow tires for the rear. I bought some Blizzaks last winter when I lived up north and they were great
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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For your viewing pleasures...

Look at that sexy tread...



Here is a good example of what is on every wheel, not to mention one of the wheels has some sweet scratches on the face of the wheel. This gouging all all aorund the lip, not just where it is on this photo.



This one has a gash on the lower lip, you can see it by the brake dust that has filled it

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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by michakaveli
Get at least some snow tires for the rear. I bought some Blizzaks last winter when I lived up north and they were great
I thought about that. Even asked Tirerack for their opinion. Everyone shouted that mixing a pair of snows with a pair of anything else was a cardinal sin, though nobody would state exactly why except for "handling characteristics would be compromised", whatever that means. I just figured the rears would bite more, while the fronts would not bite as much.

Anyway, this isn't Vermont. A/S works well enough. If it snows 12+", I either wait for the plows or stay home.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RBrenton88
I thought about that. Even asked Tirerack for their opinion. Everyone shouted that mixing a pair of snows with a pair of anything else was a cardinal sin, though nobody would state exactly why except for "handling characteristics would be compromised", whatever that means. I just figured the rears would bite more, while the fronts would not bite as much.

Anyway, this isn't Vermont. A/S works well enough. If it snows 12+", I either wait for the plows or stay home.
You are exactly right. People can get too confident w/ the rear traction and not have the tire up front to handle stopping the vehicle, thus sliding/ABS kicking in full-throttle, and you won't stop. But if you travel slow and cautiously, you shouldn't have an issue.I didn't, but then everyone is isn't me.

BUT, we did get all 4 snow tires for our C220, and considering the weight balance of the vehicle the car performed flawlessly in the snow. So if you have to drive your vehicle in the wintry mix, get all 4. Trust
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