yay more car trouble
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yay more car trouble
well the car has been sitting for a few days now at my house in the garage
come out to use it.....totally dead...can't even get the sterring wheel unlocked
call AAA...get the car jumped...they came in like 15 min WOW... :shock:
as soon as the car is started all hell breaks loose....lots of errors as seen below. this is with the engine idling these are not going away
push the reset button and then this message pops up
so after makeing sure the brakes still funtion i back it out of the garage only to run into more trouble
even after acting like a buick i decide to drive it around the neighboorhood...after drinving around more 7-8 min come back and turn it off...i waited 30seconds..then decided to restart it to move it to another location and now its having a hard time cranking over....its not cranking for an extended period of time. i do not have to hold the key any longer then i would normally do....its just struggling to do do it, obviously working harder.
well now its parked again trying to decide what to do...i think the brake error may have gone away since ths afternoon( mom drove it said she didn't see anything) but we'll see what happens....
come out to use it.....totally dead...can't even get the sterring wheel unlocked
call AAA...get the car jumped...they came in like 15 min WOW... :shock:
as soon as the car is started all hell breaks loose....lots of errors as seen below. this is with the engine idling these are not going away
push the reset button and then this message pops up
so after makeing sure the brakes still funtion i back it out of the garage only to run into more trouble
even after acting like a buick i decide to drive it around the neighboorhood...after drinving around more 7-8 min come back and turn it off...i waited 30seconds..then decided to restart it to move it to another location and now its having a hard time cranking over....its not cranking for an extended period of time. i do not have to hold the key any longer then i would normally do....its just struggling to do do it, obviously working harder.
well now its parked again trying to decide what to do...i think the brake error may have gone away since ths afternoon( mom drove it said she didn't see anything) but we'll see what happens....
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Alternators are only designed to perform surface charge on batteries. If the
health of your battery were such that requires serious maintenance, has under-
gone deep discharge, much loss of fluid, cross sulphation of plates etc, your
only option is to (in priority order) replenish water, deep charge via trickle
charger (eg 10amp -- not quick booster charger), check specific gravity after
charge, or replace battery altogether.
The AAA only gave it a jump start off its battery. Your driving around for that
short a period did practically *nothing* to restore the capacity of the
battery. It did nothing to repair what has already been depleted from the
battery up to that point.
health of your battery were such that requires serious maintenance, has under-
gone deep discharge, much loss of fluid, cross sulphation of plates etc, your
only option is to (in priority order) replenish water, deep charge via trickle
charger (eg 10amp -- not quick booster charger), check specific gravity after
charge, or replace battery altogether.
The AAA only gave it a jump start off its battery. Your driving around for that
short a period did practically *nothing* to restore the capacity of the
battery. It did nothing to repair what has already been depleted from the
battery up to that point.
Last edited by raymond g-; May 4, 2006 at 10:42 AM.
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note this car gets serious problems EVERY time it sits for longer than 2 weeks
this battery is relativly new ~2 months....because it was replaced the last time it sat for 2 weeks..i'm thinking there is a short somewhere that is causing a drain on it. i think my rear dome light may be the culprit its as if i'm leaving the light on with out knowing it thats my diagnostic......now my oil leak thats another problem.
this battery is relativly new ~2 months....because it was replaced the last time it sat for 2 weeks..i'm thinking there is a short somewhere that is causing a drain on it. i think my rear dome light may be the culprit its as if i'm leaving the light on with out knowing it thats my diagnostic......now my oil leak thats another problem.
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Might be worth it to invest in a trickle charger. Plug it up when you know you will leave it sitting for a long time. That - or you could just unplug the car battery positive terminal (I'm not all sure what all would be ereased or affected by this action specifically though).
I figure that are things being powered by the battery when the car is just sitting there. The security system being one of them.
I figure that are things being powered by the battery when the car is just sitting there. The security system being one of them.
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i had a silly thought: too bad you cant do an Alt-Ctrl-Del and pull up the
Task Manager to see what other activities are active and in transient memory.
then i thought...why not?... with all this ODB stuff, is dealer able to plug in
and check to see what things are 'live' while the ignition is out....and to
try and determine what is drawing power unreasonably?
Task Manager to see what other activities are active and in transient memory.
then i thought...why not?... with all this ODB stuff, is dealer able to plug in
and check to see what things are 'live' while the ignition is out....and to
try and determine what is drawing power unreasonably?
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Originally Posted by raymond g-
i had a silly thought: too bad you cant do an Alt-Ctrl-Del and pull up the
Task Manager to see what other activities are active and in transient memory.
then i thought...why not?... with all this ODB stuff, is dealer able to plug in
and check to see what things are 'live' while the ignition is out....and to
try and determine what is drawing power unreasonably?
Task Manager to see what other activities are active and in transient memory.
then i thought...why not?... with all this ODB stuff, is dealer able to plug in
and check to see what things are 'live' while the ignition is out....and to
try and determine what is drawing power unreasonably?
well since i have know about my rear dome light now for almost 2 years i think that is wat is causing a short...i've made multiple posts about it in the past yet no one has answered my question on it....i think it may be time to just poney up teh cash and get a new one...
i wish there was a "VAGCOM" equivelent for mercedes. i'd buy one tommorrow!
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The brake warnings come on if you have lost battery power. To make them reset, you just need to turn your steering wheel completely to the left and to the right and it will reset. I am pretty sure that is in the manual.
Definitelty sounds like you have a positive wire grounded somewhere and your battery drains causing that part of the problem.
The oil? You are going to have see where that is coming from. Not good. I wish you luck.
Definitelty sounds like you have a positive wire grounded somewhere and your battery drains causing that part of the problem.
The oil? You are going to have see where that is coming from. Not good. I wish you luck.
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Since the battery is relatively new, it does sound as if something is drawing current when it should not. I don't know about the 210 chassis, but the 203 chassis C-Class has had problems with a controller on the CAN bus not shutting down when the car is shut off. The controller stays "awake" and draws the battery down. Troubleshooting this requires a good tech that actually understands what he is doing - rare these days - even at the dealers.
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well the car is dead again...and another giant pile of oil is under the car....
havn't gotten it jumped yet soo idk what i'm going to do...car has been sitting since i made the first post
havn't gotten it jumped yet soo idk what i'm going to do...car has been sitting since i made the first post
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Do you lock the car when you leave it on the garage? Some W 210 have a software bug that when we leave the car unlocked, the battery is discharged until the end. Mine have that problem once but I discovered it and no more battery discharging here. I just locked the car and everything is fine. You can take it to a Mercedes dealer where they upgrade the software of the car, fixing that bug. The errors messages you get are all normal when the battery fails or is disconnected. The power windows loose the automatic function too but the manual explains how to get it work normally again.
The oil leake is another thing and I don't know what it can be.
The oil leake is another thing and I don't know what it can be.
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Charge the battery and keep the car locked. If the battery discharges, it's another problem. Maybe the alternator (I think it's the name in english, sorry if it is uncorrect), the thing that charges the battery when the car is moving, needs to be repaired.
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well until i'm sure that the overhead light is not the culprit of the drain....then i'll move on to other possibilities....
man i feel a big hit to the walet comming
man i feel a big hit to the walet comming
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Have the cars charging system tested Alternator output volts and amps..Load test the battery..test the car for draws..then you WILL locate the problem..end of story
The oil leak you will need to remove the lower splash pan and steam clean the engine then reinspect for leaks..several items to look at...Last oil change done correct? new drain plug crush washer?..Most oil change hack shops do NOT replace the washer..and cause a leak or overtighten the drain plug..
Also inspect the oil level sending unit ..pass side of the block...the seal has a o/ring that can leak..Done several...
As My W210 sits for months and starts right up..WITHOUT a trickle charger or battery tender
The oil leak you will need to remove the lower splash pan and steam clean the engine then reinspect for leaks..several items to look at...Last oil change done correct? new drain plug crush washer?..Most oil change hack shops do NOT replace the washer..and cause a leak or overtighten the drain plug..
Also inspect the oil level sending unit ..pass side of the block...the seal has a o/ring that can leak..Done several...
As My W210 sits for months and starts right up..WITHOUT a trickle charger or battery tender
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Originally Posted by MARK CUMMINS
Have the cars charging system tested Alternator output volts and amps..Load test the battery..test the car for draws..then you WILL locate the problem..end of story
The oil leak you will need to remove the lower splash pan and steam clean the engine then reinspect for leaks..several items to look at...Last oil change done correct? new drain plug crush washer?..Most oil change hack shops do NOT replace the washer..and cause a leak or overtighten the drain plug..
Also inspect the oil level sending unit ..pass side of the block...the seal has a o/ring that can leak..Done several...
As My W210 sits for months and starts right up..WITHOUT a trickle charger or battery tender
The oil leak you will need to remove the lower splash pan and steam clean the engine then reinspect for leaks..several items to look at...Last oil change done correct? new drain plug crush washer?..Most oil change hack shops do NOT replace the washer..and cause a leak or overtighten the drain plug..
Also inspect the oil level sending unit ..pass side of the block...the seal has a o/ring that can leak..Done several...
As My W210 sits for months and starts right up..WITHOUT a trickle charger or battery tender
there she goes
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well just got word back from the shop.
he said the oil leak is nothing....which i really don't believe....
said i was totally missing a fan belt so only one fan was running....maybe that why i have been running so hot.....
and they are taking my advice and are looking into the short in the dome light.
we'll see what happens tomorrow or over the next few days
he said the oil leak is nothing....which i really don't believe....
said i was totally missing a fan belt so only one fan was running....maybe that why i have been running so hot.....
and they are taking my advice and are looking into the short in the dome light.
we'll see what happens tomorrow or over the next few days
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finally got te car back!
general diagnostic-85.00
fixed the parktronic-170.00
replaced a cover on the front of the engine and gasket- 127.50
replace fan belt-127.50
parts 150.00
random fee-16.51
tax40.63
total 717.79
and the short may still be there. i hope this work
general diagnostic-85.00
fixed the parktronic-170.00
replaced a cover on the front of the engine and gasket- 127.50
replace fan belt-127.50
parts 150.00
random fee-16.51
tax40.63
total 717.79
and the short may still be there. i hope this work
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Originally Posted by my E430 rocket
finally got te car back!
general diagnostic-85.00
fixed the parktronic-170.00
replaced a cover on the front of the engine and gasket- 127.50
replace fan belt-127.50
parts 150.00
random fee-16.51
tax40.63
total 717.79
and the short may still be there. i hope this work
general diagnostic-85.00
fixed the parktronic-170.00
replaced a cover on the front of the engine and gasket- 127.50
replace fan belt-127.50
parts 150.00
random fee-16.51
tax40.63
total 717.79
and the short may still be there. i hope this work
Last edited by C43AMG; Jul 26, 2006 at 04:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
What the hell is a "random fee" ? Its sounds like the Seinfeld episode at the car dealership where David Putty is adding up the costs on the calculator and says "miscellaneous overcharge"............
environmental fee:16.51
