$10 modification, you all can do it~~~~~~~~~~~
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Originally Posted by hadam
No Clue, great thread. I got 2 W210. I am doing both. I have order 36mm.
Do you know how to reach to the bulb to replace? Do you go from trunk liner inside or you remove from outside 3 bolt and remove from outside?
Any information will be great. Remove the bulb from inside through trunk liner or outside by removing 3 bolts on top of lincense plate?
Do you know how to reach to the bulb to replace? Do you go from trunk liner inside or you remove from outside 3 bolt and remove from outside?
Any information will be great. Remove the bulb from inside through trunk liner or outside by removing 3 bolts on top of lincense plate?
i have a 2000 E320 and
I just received all the items for this upgrade
To remove liner would be a chore
i see 2 screws and one plain bolt with no head above license plate
that seems to be where you would have to remove.
Please someone confirm this
THANKS
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by Mrhappy71
Hi
i have a 2000 E320 and
I just received all the items for this upgrade
To remove liner would be a chore
i see 2 screws and one plain bolt with no head above license plate
that seems to be where you would have to remove.
Please someone confirm this
THANKS
i have a 2000 E320 and
I just received all the items for this upgrade
To remove liner would be a chore
i see 2 screws and one plain bolt with no head above license plate
that seems to be where you would have to remove.
Please someone confirm this
THANKS
For Pre-2000 model like mine, I have to remove the inner liner enable to release the "housing".
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2001 E-430 4-Matic
You Have to Remove the Liner
Originally Posted by Mrhappy71
Hi
i have a 2000 E320 and
I just received all the items for this upgrade
To remove liner would be a chore
i see 2 screws and one plain bolt with no head above license plate
that seems to be where you would have to remove.
Please someone confirm this
THANKS
i have a 2000 E320 and
I just received all the items for this upgrade
To remove liner would be a chore
i see 2 screws and one plain bolt with no head above license plate
that seems to be where you would have to remove.
Please someone confirm this
THANKS
BTW - I just tried this mod and got the dreaded "defective lamp" message. I'll try it again with two resistors and report back.
Last edited by livetodrive; Jun 30, 2006 at 04:42 PM.
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by livetodrive
That "plain bolt" in the center that you see is actually a stud, and is fastened with a nut inside the trunk under the liner. You have to remove the plastic fasteners holding the liner in place in the top section of the trunk to get to it. They are actually two-part fasteners and can be pried out very easily with a screwdriver without breaking them.
BTW - I just tried this mod and got the dreaded "defective lamp" message. I'll try it again with two resistors and report back.
BTW - I just tried this mod and got the dreaded "defective lamp" message. I'll try it again with two resistors and report back.
you need one per side.
Sorry that I can't edit my first post.
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Good to Go!
Originally Posted by no_clue
you need one per side.
Sorry that I can't edit my first post.
Sorry that I can't edit my first post.
Instead of wrapping the resistor across the terminals, I used Radio Shack squeeze clamps to add an extra wire and then attached the wire to the resistor with a wire nut. I also insulated the exposed section of the resistor wire with heat-shrink tubing.
No Clue - Thanks for the idea! It was a neat and simple mod. Keep 'em comin!
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E320 2000
Originally Posted by livetodrive
That "plain bolt" in the center that you see is actually a stud, and is fastened with a nut inside the trunk under the liner. You have to remove the plastic fasteners holding the liner in place in the top section of the trunk to get to it. They are actually two-part fasteners and can be pried out very easily with a screwdriver without breaking them.
BTW - I just tried this mod and got the dreaded "defective lamp" message. I'll try it again with two resistors and report back.
BTW - I just tried this mod and got the dreaded "defective lamp" message. I'll try it again with two resistors and report back.
worried i might damage them for good and need expert help
thanks
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by Mrhappy71
Can you post pics how to remove liner
worried i might damage them for good and need expert help
thanks
worried i might damage them for good and need expert help
thanks
Basically just use flat head screw driver to remove the Black plastic fastener.
Don't worry if you break those plastic fastener, you can get a big big of those at PepBoys for like $3.
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2007 S-550, 2001 E-430 & 1997 E-420
LED Quality
The LED I bought from e-bay, already burning up. One of my LED is flickering. Look like out of 6 , at least 4 LED are burn/Black.
Any one know good source for 6 LED feston??
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by hadam
The LED I bought from e-bay, already burning up. One of my LED is flickering. Look like out of 6 , at least 4 LED are burn/Black.
Any one know good source for 6 LED feston??
I think we discuss earlier about the 6 LED vs 8 LED design.
The 6-LED I got still working perfectly, though
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2007 S-550, 2001 E-430 & 1997 E-420
Originally Posted by no_clue
Did you get the 8-LED festoon earlier?
I think we discuss earlier about the 6 LED vs 8 LED design.
The 6-LED I got still working perfectly, though
I think we discuss earlier about the 6 LED vs 8 LED design.
The 6-LED I got still working perfectly, though
No_Clue, I got 6 LED festoon. They were working fine, suddenly I got "Defective lamp" warning even though I have resistor on each LED.
So, I checked and found one of the 6 LED festoon is flickering and about 4 LED's on it burn/black.
If you know any one else then what you recommend sells these LED's will be appreciated.
I like this mode, but don't like the quality of LED's.
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by hadam
No_Clue, I got 6 LED festoon. They were working fine, suddenly I got "Defective lamp" warning even though I have resistor on each LED.
So, I checked and found one of the 6 LED festoon is flickering and about 4 LED's on it burn/black.
If you know any one else then what you recommend sells these LED's will be appreciated.
I like this mode, but don't like the quality of LED's.
So, I checked and found one of the 6 LED festoon is flickering and about 4 LED's on it burn/black.
If you know any one else then what you recommend sells these LED's will be appreciated.
I like this mode, but don't like the quality of LED's.
But if you have problem w/ their festoon, try other seller.
p.s. which one got burn out? Your 01 or 97?
Because one of the member say, 00+ doesn't require resistor.
And one of the S class owner say, it has self voltage testing in his car, that might require 50 ohm resistor instead.
Last edited by no_clue; Jul 2, 2006 at 04:29 AM.
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2007 S-550, 2001 E-430 & 1997 E-420
Originally Posted by no_clue
I got mine 39mm 6-LED festoon from "us home direct" at ebay. I have no problem w/ their festoon! (consider I must have been using the longest time)
But if you have problem w/ their festoon, try other seller.
p.s. which one got burn out? Your 01 or 97?
Because one of the member say, 00+ doesn't require resistor.
And one of the S class owner say, it has self voltage testing in his car, that might require 50 ohm resistor instead.
But if you have problem w/ their festoon, try other seller.
p.s. which one got burn out? Your 01 or 97?
Because one of the member say, 00+ doesn't require resistor.
And one of the S class owner say, it has self voltage testing in his car, that might require 50 ohm resistor instead.
NO_CLUE, It is my 1997 E-420. I bought mine 6-LED Festoon from "us home direct" also.
I will remove the bulb today and check what happen to it.
I will keep you posted
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by hadam
NO_CLUE, It is my 1997 E-420. I bought mine 6-LED Festoon from "us home direct" also.
I will remove the bulb today and check what happen to it.
I will keep you posted
I will remove the bulb today and check what happen to it.
I will keep you posted
Technically LED last around 100,000 hours.
What kills LED is generally Heat and over-voltage, inconsistant current.
(black out, burn, usually mean that over-voltage)
Quick question... when you driving at night around the city. Have your CD changer on, turn your dome light on, do you notice any blinking from your dome light
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Houston, I've got a problem. I did this mod and for some reason after working perfectly for a couple of months, my license plate light is out!?!?! I tried installing the old bulbs but nothing. I suspect it may be a blown fuse? Also, I looked up the fuse box in my 2002 E320 and couldn't find a lead for license plate lighting???? Any ideas???
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E320 2003 silver color
hi MBZ12,
there are some more fuses located on the left side of the dash board , you have to open the drivers door to get to it (it opens with a screw driver or a coin)
and you also have some fuses under the back seat.
if you have`nt found the fuse in the fuse box next to the engine , I am sure you will find it at one of the other 2 places.
there are some more fuses located on the left side of the dash board , you have to open the drivers door to get to it (it opens with a screw driver or a coin)
and you also have some fuses under the back seat.
if you have`nt found the fuse in the fuse box next to the engine , I am sure you will find it at one of the other 2 places.
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All's good on the MB front. The fuse was blown. Replaced it out and I'm good to go. BTW, the license plate fuse lead is located on the dash opposite the driver's side door.
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Originally Posted by Whitey
Some people may not like it, but its something different and matches my LED footwell and door pocket lighting - blue LED dash bulbs (I couldn't find any white ones)....
Looks tight by the way
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98 W210 Advantgarde
Thanks. Just pull out the entire gauge unit (there are numerous threads on how to do that), and there are colored twist plugs at the back (no need to disassemble the speedo).. Turn the plugs (not sure which direction) and pull out the bulbs. Replace those and you would be good to go 
Good luck!
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Whitey
Thanks. Just pull out the entire gauge unit (there are numerous threads on how to do that), and there are colored twist plugs at the back (no need to disassemble the speedo).. Turn the plugs (not sure which direction) and pull out the bulbs. Replace those and you would be good to go Good luck!
Good luck!I can't find them in the small Osram bulb size. I thought I found them, they were some type of VDO gauge upgrades - but i can't relocate the site (and I tried superbrightLED's.com, lightlens.com etc).
Any help would be much appreciated.
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98 E320
OT
And Whitey ~ where did you find the E55 skirts. I've been looking but have never seen any in the classifieds or on ebay. Plenty of AMG, but not the E55 pre-facelift. I found a 99 E55 bumper and would like to find matching skirts too.
Any suggestions?
Thanks again
And Whitey ~ where did you find the E55 skirts. I've been looking but have never seen any in the classifieds or on ebay. Plenty of AMG, but not the E55 pre-facelift. I found a 99 E55 bumper and would like to find matching skirts too.
Any suggestions?
Thanks again
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C-2, I got mine in HK and they're japanese bulbs, I think. If it makes you feel any better, I'd put back the stock bulbs as the LED's dispersion is less than the halogens, hence light was unable to get to the needles, particularly the one for the speedo - got pretty annoying, tho it did look nicey. Might try white LEDs next, which hopefully might be brighter compared to the blue, hence light up the needles better.
As for the skirts, I got mine as a complete kit, also in Hong Kong. However, since then, I've hooked up with an AMG distributor in Europe who can get almost anything AMG, even the rare Iincluding the new S65 bumpers) and/or older items...but I guess shipping might kill it for ya, unless you are willing to pay any price for them..............
As for the skirts, I got mine as a complete kit, also in Hong Kong. However, since then, I've hooked up with an AMG distributor in Europe who can get almost anything AMG, even the rare Iincluding the new S65 bumpers) and/or older items...but I guess shipping might kill it for ya, unless you are willing to pay any price for them..............
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2008 C300 Avantgarde
Hi guys,
Although I haven't done the number plate LEDs yet, i have tried to replace my halogen H6W bulbs (for city driving lights) with LED ones to colour match my factory Xenon driving lights.
As expected, the LED throws a "defective lamp" code on the dash as they draw very little current. Just wanted to ask whether anyone here has tried ;with success; to hook up a resistor to the city driving lights to correct the "defective lamp" message.
Here is a link to the LED bulbs i recently purchased :
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....EAFB%3AIT&rd=1
Although I haven't done the number plate LEDs yet, i have tried to replace my halogen H6W bulbs (for city driving lights) with LED ones to colour match my factory Xenon driving lights.
As expected, the LED throws a "defective lamp" code on the dash as they draw very little current. Just wanted to ask whether anyone here has tried ;with success; to hook up a resistor to the city driving lights to correct the "defective lamp" message.
Here is a link to the LED bulbs i recently purchased :
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....EAFB%3AIT&rd=1
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.... nothing to brag about, it is a previous model....
Originally Posted by V8 AMG
Hi guys,
Although I haven't done the number plate LEDs yet, i have tried to replace my halogen H6W bulbs (for city driving lights) with LED ones to colour match my factory Xenon driving lights.
As expected, the LED throws a "defective lamp" code on the dash as they draw very little current. Just wanted to ask whether anyone here has tried ;with success; to hook up a resistor to the city driving lights to correct the "defective lamp" message.
Here is a link to the LED bulbs i recently purchased :
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....EAFB%3AIT&rd=1
Although I haven't done the number plate LEDs yet, i have tried to replace my halogen H6W bulbs (for city driving lights) with LED ones to colour match my factory Xenon driving lights.
As expected, the LED throws a "defective lamp" code on the dash as they draw very little current. Just wanted to ask whether anyone here has tried ;with success; to hook up a resistor to the city driving lights to correct the "defective lamp" message.
Here is a link to the LED bulbs i recently purchased :
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....EAFB%3AIT&rd=1
volt: 12
amp: .5
watt: 6
====================================
Ebay LED bulb spec UNKNOWN.
But judging from only 5 LED design, mostly 20mA design.
(if it is regular LED) then it has operating voltage of 1.4 -1.7V (assuming 1.5V)
(12V-1.5) / 20mA = 0.525 Watt
5 (LED) X0.525W = 2.7W
====================================
Hence:
Watts = Volts * Amps
6W/12v=0.5 amp
Volts = Amps * Ohms
12v/0.5 amp =24 ohms
Since you can only go higher w/ resistor. (to prevent overload) then 50ohm 10W resistor from radioshack are all weather ceramic sealed.
If 12V/50ohms=0.24amps (if we using 50 ohms resistor)
then 0.24 amps * 12V = 2.88W .
Resistor + LED bulb = 2.88W + ~2.7W = <6Watt.
You can "parallel" connect a 50ohm 10W ceramic resistor to each side which connect to your city light bulb.
p.s. if I were you, I think I will try to see if I can get away w/ 100ohm 10W resistor first.
Last edited by no_clue; Jul 26, 2006 at 02:28 AM.
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Hi, thanks for the post No Clue.
Everything makes sense except the part about each LED bulb producing 0.525 W.
As per equation Power= Voltage X Current
Therefore if each LED draws 20mA (or 0.02A) then shouldn't the Power used by each LED bulb = 12 X 0.02; which equals 0.24W.
And since there are 5 LEDs then total power consumption = 5 X 0.24; which equals 1.2W.
If this calculation is correct, then with the 50 ohm resistor in place, total power consumption = 1.2 + 2.88 ; which equals 4.08W. With the 100ohm resistor, total power consumption would be 2.64W (1.2 + 1.44).
The other concern i have when consulting some of the sale guys at Radioshack type shops, is that they told me from their experience that resistors are traditionally used to lower voltages. So if this is the case, wont these fluctuation in voltages cause the LEDs to have a premature shortened life ?
Everything makes sense except the part about each LED bulb producing 0.525 W.
As per equation Power= Voltage X Current
Therefore if each LED draws 20mA (or 0.02A) then shouldn't the Power used by each LED bulb = 12 X 0.02; which equals 0.24W.
And since there are 5 LEDs then total power consumption = 5 X 0.24; which equals 1.2W.
If this calculation is correct, then with the 50 ohm resistor in place, total power consumption = 1.2 + 2.88 ; which equals 4.08W. With the 100ohm resistor, total power consumption would be 2.64W (1.2 + 1.44).
The other concern i have when consulting some of the sale guys at Radioshack type shops, is that they told me from their experience that resistors are traditionally used to lower voltages. So if this is the case, wont these fluctuation in voltages cause the LEDs to have a premature shortened life ?
Originally Posted by no_clue
H6W/12V/6W/BAX9S ECE bulb specifications:
volt: 12
amp: .5
watt: 6
====================================
Ebay LED bulb spec UNKNOWN.
But judging from only 5 LED design, mostly 20mA design.
(if it is regular LED) then it has operating voltage of 1.4 -1.7V (assuming 1.5V)
(12V-1.5) / 20mA = 0.525 Watt
5 (LED) X0.525W = 2.7W
====================================
Hence:
Watts = Volts * Amps
6W/12v=0.5 amp
Volts = Amps * Ohms
12v/0.5 amp =24 ohms
Since you can only go higher w/ resistor. (to prevent overload) then 50ohm 10W resistor from radioshack are all weather ceramic sealed.
If 12V/50ohms=0.24amps (if we using 50 ohms resistor)
then 0.24 amps * 12V = 2.88W .
Resistor + LED bulb = 2.88W + ~2.7W = <6Watt.
You can "parallel" connect a 50ohm 10W ceramic resistor to each side which connect to your city light bulb.
p.s. if I were you, I think I will try to see if I can get away w/ 100ohm 10W resistor first.
volt: 12
amp: .5
watt: 6
====================================
Ebay LED bulb spec UNKNOWN.
But judging from only 5 LED design, mostly 20mA design.
(if it is regular LED) then it has operating voltage of 1.4 -1.7V (assuming 1.5V)
(12V-1.5) / 20mA = 0.525 Watt
5 (LED) X0.525W = 2.7W
====================================
Hence:
Watts = Volts * Amps
6W/12v=0.5 amp
Volts = Amps * Ohms
12v/0.5 amp =24 ohms
Since you can only go higher w/ resistor. (to prevent overload) then 50ohm 10W resistor from radioshack are all weather ceramic sealed.
If 12V/50ohms=0.24amps (if we using 50 ohms resistor)
then 0.24 amps * 12V = 2.88W .
Resistor + LED bulb = 2.88W + ~2.7W = <6Watt.
You can "parallel" connect a 50ohm 10W ceramic resistor to each side which connect to your city light bulb.
p.s. if I were you, I think I will try to see if I can get away w/ 100ohm 10W resistor first.
