Kleemann headers installed (lots of pics)
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E43: could you tell me how much louder is the kleemann header? I'm thinking of installing one on my S430 and don't want to compromise the sound or comfort and torque. I think a slight increase in sound is expected, but i'm trying to find out if its too loud. Did it effect your take off performance in a negative or positive way? Any feed back is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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It has a runner for each individual cylinder(4) running into a collector that holds 4 pipes. That is optimal. However your setup is tru indeed better than stck. Kleeman E55 header:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...kleeman+header
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That's why I can't figure out what Kleeman was thinking! The W210 E55 headers I'm thinking look like the W211's.Those are the one's posted in that link. W211 E55.
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The e430 header looks to be a tri-y design while the e55 header is more of a traditional 4 into 1 design. Tri-y is generally used to boost low to mid range torque and is very popular with street driven 1960s Mustangs. The 4-1 helps more with top end hp based on my BB Ford experience.
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I agree, no offense to whoever purchased them but that is a very inferior design, thumbs down for kleenman for half assing their headers that cost so much. probably still much better than stock but they should have done 4 individual runners per side.
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In this pic it looks like the passenger side header is built correctly for a 4-2-1 setup based on the order of the power cycle. Better exh scvanging on the passenger side vs the drivers side. Perhaps this is a minimal thing here I don't know
The drivers side of the E430 might have an issue with space perhaps as to y the drivers side header is built as it is I think. I know Kleeman said that this was the issue with the C43.
I guess the bottm line is the poster noticed a power increase!
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The e430 header looks to be a tri-y design while the e55 header is more of a traditional 4 into 1 design. Tri-y is generally used to boost low to mid range torque and is very popular with street driven 1960s Mustangs. The 4-1 helps more with top end hp based on my BB Ford experience.
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No check engine light has come on. If you look closely at the pics you will notice that the primary O2 sensors plug directly into the headers. The secondary O2 sensors had to be extended and were installed after the cats. Because there is a set of sensors before and after the remaining cats, the computer doesn't know the first set of cats are missing.
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Quick question. I wanted to take my car to a muffler shop to get the pre cats taken out and just have an O2 sensor run into it but they told me that it was illegal. Is that a state to state thing or is this possible and they don't want to do the work. I have to get my pre-cat replaced because it's starting to rattle and it makes the car sound a bit "dieselish" at times. I don't want to replace the whole cat converter setup (expensive!) so I just wanted to do just the part that is messing up. What do you think?
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I have a 99 E320 with 122k on it. I noticed a while ago that is was making a humming noise that you can feel in the pedal when traveling at about 40 miles an hour and up. At first I thought it was the tires. Got new tires, problem still there. I do know my cat converter on the driver's side needs to be replaced but I don't see why i should get this noise from that. It gives a buzzing feeling in the pedal. Really weird. I tried driving hwy speeds and putting it in neutral but I could still feel it. What could this be folks? Please help, i don't know if something's going bad in the car.
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Car making a humming noise.
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I have a 99 E320 with 122k on it. I noticed a while ago that is was making a humming noise that you can feel in the pedal when traveling at about 40 miles an hour and up. At first I thought it was the tires. Got new tires, problem still there. I do know my cat converter on the driver's side needs to be replaced but I don't see why i should get this noise from that. It gives a buzzing feeling in the pedal. Really weird. I tried driving hwy speeds and putting it in neutral but I could still feel it. What could this be folks? Please help, i don't know if something's going bad in the car.
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I have a 99 E320 with 122k on it. I noticed a while ago that is was making a humming noise that you can feel in the pedal when traveling at about 40 miles an hour and up. At first I thought it was the tires. Got new tires, problem still there. I do know my cat converter on the driver's side needs to be replaced but I don't see why i should get this noise from that. It gives a buzzing feeling in the pedal. Really weird. I tried driving hwy speeds and putting it in neutral but I could still feel it. What could this be folks? Please help, i don't know if something's going bad in the car.
My cats made an annoying rattling sound. My secondaries that is.
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Quick question. I wanted to take my car to a muffler shop to get the pre cats taken out and just have an O2 sensor run into it but they told me that it was illegal. Is that a state to state thing or is this possible and they don't want to do the work. I have to get my pre-cat replaced because it's starting to rattle and it makes the car sound a bit "dieselish" at times. I don't want to replace the whole cat converter setup (expensive!) so I just wanted to do just the part that is messing up. What do you think?
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4-1 headers pump up hp. As a general rule, the bigger and shorter the pipe, the higher the hp peak. However this is often at the expense of low end tq.
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So to keep the CEL in chk I'd have to move my 2ndary O2's behind the sndary cats?
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Yes. It's my understanding that on a stock car the first set of O2 sensors are before the first set of cats and the second set of O2 sensors are in between the first set of cats and the second set of cats. That's why on my install they had to relocate the second set of O2 sensors.
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4-2-1s are a torque design which is why I suspect Kleemann chose it for the e430. If I recall, the e430 is about 100# of tq short of the e55.
4-1 headers pump up hp. As a general rule, the bigger and shorter the pipe, the higher the hp peak. However this is often at the expense of low end tq.
4-1 headers pump up hp. As a general rule, the bigger and shorter the pipe, the higher the hp peak. However this is often at the expense of low end tq.
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Yes. It's my understanding that on a stock car the first set of O2 sensors are before the first set of cats and the second set of O2 sensors are in between the first set of cats and the second set of cats. That's why on my install they had to relocate the second set of O2 sensors.
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Do you have headers on your car? Are you condsidering Kleemann headers?
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I know this is an oooolddd thread! but want to clarify to all. the E55 headers you post (4-1 design) is only for the W211 E55.
In the W210 chassis the kleemann design headers are the same for the E430 to the E55
Just searching
Fabio Daniel
In the W210 chassis the kleemann design headers are the same for the E430 to the E55
Just searching
Fabio Daniel
