Papa Stone

Hello to everyone..

I have been seeing alot of hybrid conversions of different models of cars, from 928 with LTI power (Renegade Hybrids also 944 LS1, look really temting) to BMW with LS1 (E36 from the people of vorshlag Motorsport, it looks like a really good project) and it has gotten me thinking..

Dodge Chargers and W210 chassis!! They use the same transmissions and suspencions as our cars.. Also they look a HELL BETTER than the Charger/Hemi cars (plus interior quality, and they are better built).

I am looking to do this (I would like to, because it would be a great daily driver) because it would be faster than a SRT-8 (or hemi, it would give the E55 a hell of a run for the money + lighter car) and would be the ultimate sleeper (my car is black ) so I would like to discuss this..

Correct me if I am wrong
1. We would need no Engine mounts of new subframes
2. We could use the stock springs from the Hemi counterparts
3. Being the Tranny the same.. No tranny issues (even the SRT-8 uses the 722.1 tranny!!!)

Sure their is a expense into this (Hemi engines are expensive) but you could use a E320 to start the project (which are very inexpensive and look GOOD!!) and you wouldn't have to look for a E55 to exchange our existing car (I REALLY LIKE MY CAR)

Another big issue is how to started up.. As a Daily driver it would be important to have it operanting as factory has possible, so I would really like
1. to use a stock computer
2. Use Two computers,
Or AEM computer (they use them on the SRT Projects already ) and the stock computer to run basic car functions (please feel free to comment, but have a good opinion)

So what do you think??

Faster than a new E55 W211, or as fast E63 W211 in a terrific looking Mercedes!!

I am up for it.. Who's willing to cooperate with your comment!!
E57 or a E61

Quadcammer

it will cost more than an e55 to do, it will probably have all kinds of issues, and more importantly, you will not be able to sell it again.

So unless money isn't an issue and you just want to do it, to do it, I think its way way more trouble than its worth.

Papa Stone

the problem is that were I am from, these cars cost alot more than 25000 dollars and my car cost originally 10,000..

Also it would be alot faster than a E55 (is you go for the SRT-8) for about 10k with all the quality of a mercedes...

People spend alot more in their cars.. How much does a turbo cost? How much does a Supercharger cost (HPS cost 7500 plus intall for 100 HP!!??)

I believe the only problem is the electronics, with are not the worst...

They both use the same basic system, their engines look very alike and the electronic systems..

BTW, also about the selling part!! I am not in the US.. so I have no worries about that

ReZzZ320

I would like to see where ur project is going altho like you said the hardest part will be sourcing the engine and getting the electronics done

personally I will be following up on the progress of your project

hubert

Great idea, if you heve the money and time i say go for it

nyc_srt8

I would really like to see this project work for ya. However the ecu would be the real issue. There is no tune for the 6.1 motor. Believe me i'm on lookout for one. Not sure if the 6.1 hemi computer would work in your car and no one to my knowlegde tried a standalone (aem) yet. Also check out hood clearance, the 6.1 intake manifold sticks up quite a bit.

Hope this helps.

Zackb911

If you're looking for opinions, I think it is a really really horrible idea for a wide range of reasons... Why not just put the time/money into engine work and a forced induction setup?

Musikmann

I would buy a Chrysler SRT8 (not even called a 300 in the US) or go with the Dodge Charger SRT8. I think they are both nice fast cars. Or take a look at the new E63 AMG.

JAYCL600

save your money and buy a new car

ReZzZ320

well $7500 for only 100HP isn't the BEST solution available.
Plus there isn't enough space to throw in two honkin turbos and an intercooler for more horses under the hood

Papa Stone

I think I am going to go with my 944 project for now and I will research more of this subject later..

Thanks for your opinion ..

BTW, Chargers and 300C are over 50k in Puerto Rico, and E63 are about 140 up.. So that my reason (and a pretty good reason) not to buy one of those..

ReZzZ320

damn I thought u were gonna find a Hemi for the 210

Papa Stone

I did, but the haters brought me down.. I actually open this topic to share ideas on How to merge the wiring harness or to give me opinions of this..

However after the haters, I also have a 944 that I wanted to do LS1 conversion.. SO I am keeping my daily driver and doing my renegade Porsche

Tommy_s4

good idea's but, your going to have alota problems going through with it. your better off getting an old 70's 240Z and putting a ls1 motor under the hood. I was personaly going to do this mod, but realized i didn't have the time or the cash to do it. heres a link that will help you out.

http://alteredz.com/

heres another link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSJVi1mPjZQ

and a video of what you can do to an R1 motor cycle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pua7W...elated&search=

Papa Stone

Actually the 944 is probably my favorite car in the world.. Perfect balance, great brakes, and super suspension, No POWER (unless turbo and it gets expensive).. plus super stable at speed.

I usually research my projects ALOT Tommy.. I have it down to the dollar and I already have a Engine on the works..

Is very easy to do.. any questions, hear you go http://www.renegadehybrids.com/indexx.html#

Is probably the cheapest supercar around..

ReZzZ320

Papa Stone no need to let the haters down here. They are most probably too conventional for your tastes

BTW getting a HEMI engine isn't as hard as it sounds, just the ECU part

Papa Stone

Thanks Rezz.. But I am first going to finish my 944 wiwth the engine.. and then look into this, unless i can get a SRt engine in a good price and I'lll just park it in my garage untill I can stop the car for a few months to work on this..

clkal

so you were thinking of putting the SRT-8 motor in a W210 chasis, and hoping that it would be faster than the new W211 E55?

isn't the SRT-8 motor a 6.1 Liter engine that puts out only 400-420 HP? The W211 has got close to 500.

The conversion will probably be a tad bid faster than a W210 E55, however, if you just start with a W210 430, and spend around $10K on the Kleeman supercharger, you'll be in better shape =)

Papa Stone

Thanks for your opinion

ProjectC55

It would be a ton easier to just drop an AMG 5.5L N/A motor in your 430 than to put in the Hemi 6.1L motor. Put the 5.5L motor in and you can also add a kleeman S/C to the equation after.

health services

Being different is great. Just don’t ask for acceptance in a conservative forum that pulls you down if you are not like them. I’d find a complete 5.7 hemi car and mod that. You will have all your stuff from that car to swap as nec. Another source would be ebay they have a good source for used engine assemblies. 5.7 motors are easier to mod and have more aftermarket equipment. Even then some of the guys are going to gm style engine management systems since the engine layout is very similar. Last I heard mopar still does not have a management system available that will allow you to make changes off of something as simple as a PDA or laptop. The 6.1 is a great motor but since there is a limited amount of them there is also a limited amount of performance parts for them. The biggest drawback is the high compression of the 6.1 negates supercharging or turbo charging with very much boost. You can easily make more power with a modded 5.7 liter Hemi.

I’d love to see this and I hope you do not get discourage with some of the comments that you get here.

ReZzZ320

ditto that except the price of a 5.5 AMG motor is too expensive

gikser

hey papa stone have you been to aguada with that car????
the reason i ask is cause i was living over there last year and i think i saw your car in aguada while i was in my silver e420 on chrome zenetti 19's
its a small *** world

Papa Stone

I looked around the island for these engines (the 5.7 ) and they still very scarce. I know that their is a AEM management for the chrysler engines and it can be merge with the Mercedes computer (personal research, I used to own a race shop down here for european cars).

Thanks for the support.. I am first going ahead with my 944 project. When I finish that project, I might take another run at this ..

Yes.. I have a house in Rincon (which I LOVE THAT TOWN) and I always like to take my car .. So YES is me. You know how small this Island is