Newbie arrives with '99 4matic wagon and many questions
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From: Lewes DE
'99 E320 4matic Wagon
Newbie arrives with '99 4matic wagon and many questions
I've just acquired a '99 E320 4matic wagon. I haven't owned a Mercedes for almost 2 decades, and I'm delighted. A great car to drive.
Only 95,000 miles and a full Carfax report showing a more or less uninterrupted history of dealer service ("for better or worse" I suppose I should say).
A few little problems to take care of, mostly minor cosmetic issues. But one mechanical symptom I thought I'd ask about: when my foot is on the gas pedal there is a slight whine, which seems to come from the front of the car. Take my foot off the gas, and the whine goes away.
My guess is that this is from the front differential. But you all will know more and better than I. Any thoughts?
Only 95,000 miles and a full Carfax report showing a more or less uninterrupted history of dealer service ("for better or worse" I suppose I should say).
A few little problems to take care of, mostly minor cosmetic issues. But one mechanical symptom I thought I'd ask about: when my foot is on the gas pedal there is a slight whine, which seems to come from the front of the car. Take my foot off the gas, and the whine goes away.
My guess is that this is from the front differential. But you all will know more and better than I. Any thoughts?
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congratulations on the purchase and welcome to the forum. good place to start is to replace differential fluid both for front and rear. i have heard from other member noise dissappearing after replacing old differential fluid with synthetic fluid. mobil1 75w90 synthetic can be easily found at any autoparts stores and i think is recommended by mb also. i think the front differential on the 4-matic doesn;t have a drain plug, only a fill plug, so you would have to suck the oil out.
the rear differential should have a drain plug and a fill plug (always open the fill plug first, then the drain plug).
also your car has a transfer case which uses automatic tranny fluid, but i'm not sure how you check the fluid there.
franasia and loubapache are forum members who have a 4-matic wagon, they are way more knowledgeable on the matter and hopefully will see your post.
the rear differential should have a drain plug and a fill plug (always open the fill plug first, then the drain plug).
also your car has a transfer case which uses automatic tranny fluid, but i'm not sure how you check the fluid there.
franasia and loubapache are forum members who have a 4-matic wagon, they are way more knowledgeable on the matter and hopefully will see your post.
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Thanks, Tirona -- I'm planning to replace the differential fluid next week. I will definitely do both front and rear.
It's a good idea no doubt to check the transfer case as well -- perhaps franasia and/or loubapache will advise me whether it's advisable replace the tranny fluid in the transfer case.
Thanks again. I'm loving this car.
It's a good idea no doubt to check the transfer case as well -- perhaps franasia and/or loubapache will advise me whether it's advisable replace the tranny fluid in the transfer case.
Thanks again. I'm loving this car.
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Over at benzworld, I see recommendations to use Mobil 1 Synthetic 75-90 when changing front differential oil. Since I see many of the same names there as here, shall I assume that's the right thing to do?
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Hello tmandel, congratulations for your new purchase and welcome to the forum.
I doubt the noise is coming from the front differential. It's very easy to replace its fluid though. There's a DIY by yours truly at benzworld on the stickies. I used a Mityvac vacuum gun and worked great.
Rear differential is easy as well. As far as the transfer case goes, I have yet to replace fluid on mine. The Mityvac would be the extractor to use here as well. Here's a link to an interesting thread:
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...-question.html
Hope that helps,
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Huh... I would expect wheel bearings to continue to sound even when I remove my foot from the gas or to change if I brake slightly while continue to gas.
I owned a couple of Subaru SVX's (great car!) that had repeated wheel bearing problems; this doesn't have that 'round and round' sound I also associate w/ wheel bearings.
But, we'll see -- it'll be up on the lift today.
I owned a couple of Subaru SVX's (great car!) that had repeated wheel bearing problems; this doesn't have that 'round and round' sound I also associate w/ wheel bearings.
But, we'll see -- it'll be up on the lift today.
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Went through a bad wheel bearing with my Toyota. I agree with the 'round and round' noise you described. I heard that all the time, coasting, accelerating, etc. Don't remember what the sound was when braking, but it chaned slightly when I was turning right vs. turning left.
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Well, we changed the front differential oil, and the liquid was *full* of metal shavings -- am going to replace front differential soon. That was where the noise was coming from.
Looking at the car while on the lift was reassuring. A lot of good maintenance has been done and there are really no apparent problems. Looks like a new front driveshaft was fitted at one point, though I see no mention of this on my Carfax report.
We got the gas cap off -- that's good; now I can fill up! -- and I'll have to work with it until the Blau cap I ordered arrives next week. I'll have to be careful not to turn the current cap on too tight. Seems like a *really* silly problem for a car to have, I must say...
Franasia -- thanks for the link to the Benzworld thread, which was very helpful.
Looking at the car while on the lift was reassuring. A lot of good maintenance has been done and there are really no apparent problems. Looks like a new front driveshaft was fitted at one point, though I see no mention of this on my Carfax report.
We got the gas cap off -- that's good; now I can fill up! -- and I'll have to work with it until the Blau cap I ordered arrives next week. I'll have to be careful not to turn the current cap on too tight. Seems like a *really* silly problem for a car to have, I must say...
Franasia -- thanks for the link to the Benzworld thread, which was very helpful.
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I'm surprised
with that front differential. 
Something bad happened to that car before. That axle replacement might have had something to do with it. Far from being a 4Matic expert, but there's never been issues with front diffs reported in four years on these forums.
OTH, do not trust Carfax that much. Actual dealer/indie service records is what you can really trust. Good luck with that repair and keep us posted.
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Something bad happened to that car before. That axle replacement might have had something to do with it. Far from being a 4Matic expert, but there's never been issues with front diffs reported in four years on these forums.OTH, do not trust Carfax that much. Actual dealer/indie service records is what you can really trust. Good luck with that repair and keep us posted.
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Agreed! You have a much more detailed CarFax report than I've ever seen. In my limited experience, routine services are seldom a part. Just remember to take those with a grain of salt because not all shops report to them. I bought my last MB with a clean report that had been in an accident. I'd be asking myself why the driveshaft was replaced. Does your mechanic have a guess there?
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I don't think he has any speculation about what might have led to replacing the front drive shaft. I can't imagine why myself.
In any case, we'll swap out the front differential and take it from there.
In any case, we'll swap out the front differential and take it from there.
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Axle replacement
is a common occurrence on 4Matics if an outer CV joint boot gets torn and damages the CV joint. CV joints on this system come in one piece with the axle, so that might explain the new axle.
As to what caused the differential problem, I'm clueless.
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As to what caused the differential problem, I'm clueless.
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It's driveshaft not axle -- but in fact the it does look like the cv joints were replaced after torn boots.
I don't think I'll get to the bottom of this -- just replace the front diff and enjoy the car.
Hope you all have a nice holiday; you deserve it!
I don't think I'll get to the bottom of this -- just replace the front diff and enjoy the car.
Hope you all have a nice holiday; you deserve it!
