LewS

If this has been discussed I can't find it. I have a 2000 e320 in top condition. It has a special Nappa leather interior (Java-tan) that Mercedes agreed to do as a one off and that makes it special. Also being Silver exterior with the Java interior is unusual (and looks great though you might not think so).

The only problem is power. I know I can by a E55 AMG pretty cheap but I just don't care for the black interior. I almost bought a 2001 E55, thinking I'd swap interiors but it just look like too hard to do.

Doing the Kleeman thing would cost too much too. So I was thinking of buying a C32 AMG engine, ECU and headers and swapping. If I could do it for less than $4K, I'd do it.

Does anyone have any thoughts or info about trying this?


One other thing, when I was looking at the e55 and drove it, I was surprised how noisy the supercharger was. It sounded like a leaf blower under there, not the power sound I expected. Is that normal? With that power, I wanted a growl not a hairdryer.

Lew

BigBoss

I've always wondered this too. Or could you somehow take the supercharger from the C32 and mount it on the E320? Isn't it the same engine? Would you have to upgrade the internals?

The W210 E55 wasn't supercharged from the factory, unless you drove a supercharged example from somewhere. I like the supercharger whine, I think it sounds better than a turbo.

ejsheltra

The C32 has lower compression pistons to compensate for the boost offered by the supercharger. Premium fuel is a must. The ECU needs to be remapped. Exhaust should be addressed as well due to higher flow rate and volume requirements. I believe you are talking about the same base motor but the electronics are more involved.

C280 Sport

Hmmmmm. I personally have never seen or herd of this but I am sure if you keep asking around someone will no the answer. SOunds like an interesting and cool project. Good luck.


The E320 you have uses the M112 Motor. Here is a link. According to this it is the same type motor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M112_engine

LewS

Sounds good. I wish I could find someone who has done it though.

stickygreen

I see no reason that you couldn't swap the entire setup (motor, ECU, harness, etc) as long as the engine block has similar mounting points and bellhousing patter. Also may need to lengthen the harness depending on ECU placement. Not so sure about the headers...

I imagine swapping out an interior would be quite a bit cheaper & easier than swapping out a drivetrain w/electronics.

BigBoss

It's always electronics that are the hardest part it seems.

Brabus388

Done this on my car, after 6 months trial and error, it is now running perfect.
After getting a lot of negative feedback and doubt from a lot of people, i finally challenge myself to actually do it.
Since i found a few people interested in doing this mod, i would just say, Just DO it, it is not as hard as a lot you think. but it need few modification to make it run perfect.
I am using a C32 AMG supercharger on 1998 E320, no modification to engine internal and no ECU tuning.
i havent dyno the car yet, but it feels like it has a little bit more power than e430 but not as strong as e55.
Keep in mind, the intake and supercharger is bolt on, but pulley, accesories and others need some modification and adjustment.
Here is some pic of the project.

EdzBenz

Very cool project Brabus388! That's a great way for anyone with an E320 to get more power without having to swap the entire engine.

FlatlineEF9

Very cool!

cm60k

Well done Brabus388..,

is that plastic pipe can hold the TB, it's little heavy..!?!?

ZAYED,,

Brabus388

the TB was resting on the valve cover and the plastic tube is bolted into one of the valve cover bolt.
so it should be fine.

cm60k

That's interesting,,

Can you pls. forward some pics. how this TB set in valve cover, Thankss

ZAYED,,

Brabus388

It is just resting, not bolted to the valve cover. the TB itself is not that heavy so it is not a problem. i am perfecting the breather hose on the engine, i will post more detailed pics when it is complete.

illest

nice. i always wondered if this would work.

Brabus388

I think it should work on V8 version as well, say E55 supercharger on E430 etc.
cause the basic principle is the same. keep in mind to use a little larger diameter pulley and not magnetic driven pulley so it will lower the boost a little bit, just to be safe. Since AMG internal engine has titanium piston dan lower compression compared to stock. and offourcse additional aux fan to cool the radiator since it shares the same coolant line with the intercooler.

Leewardms

Any updates?

enrikerace

@brabus388 You have guts man!

Im maybe doing the same mod to my car! any mods/procedures/updates?

masc243

I understand this is an OLD post, but still relevant. I have a 2003 E320 Wagon with about 60k miles and in absolutley flawless condition. Thinking of getting supercharger off of ebay from a C32 and installing. Any updates or more pictures. Particularly interested in the final tuning required and what the long term reliability is.
Thanks,
Mike

fabbrisd1

Frankly ... no can do... or to be more politically correct - beyond capability...

rilonprime

I'm interested in this as well! I am looking at an SRT6 supercharger from a Chrystler Crossfire (same m112 engine), and am wondering what I need to do to make this puppy scream. I have an '03 e320, and would love to have a project to turn it into something cool.

@BRABUS - can you share some pictures, maybe even put together a short DIY? we would love to hear how you did it.

@Mike - I'll PM Brabus directly and see if we can get started on a project like this.

-Riley

Lowflyingbird

Hi,

I'm the guy on Ebay selling the supercharger system on motor, on a stand. It already has the correct pulley. Due to work schedule, I simply don't have the time any more. I have the thermostat housing, Boost-a-pump, e55 intercooler (for a W211) pumps. Air filter boxes and small parts incl. the secondary air pipes and hoses.

The system is very do-able, don't let anyone who hasn't even tried doing any custom work tell you different. I have done many supercharger and turbo systems.

The mods needed for this build are basically;
1. Cutting of bracket timing cover bracket
2. Repositioning of the EGR, unless you delete it.
3. Depending on what body vehicle you plan on, intake tubing. The C32 does not use a Mass air meter, and space is tight. It looks like there may be enough room on a W211 to add the mass air meter and make a custom Y pipe in order to retain the pretty AMG air boxes. Running a single tube to a filter, is obviously the easiest.
4. Install The KennyBell Boost pump (which I have).
5. Swap a serpentine idler pulley to a smooth back, change thermostat housing (I got those too).
6.Important, install a recirculating valve (bypass valve). I welded a 1" tube to the supercharger intake plenum (part bolted to the back), planned on a second welded tube to the discharge Y-pipe, then with hose install a common Bosch bypass valve.
That little valve was enough on a 5.0 Ford I did years ago installing a KennyBell 1000 Opcon Autorotor 5-6 psi.(Lysom screw) supercharger, same type of unit as the C32 AMG.

Send me a text if your interested, I don't get much time to check posts as much as I use to. I also have it up on Craigs. in NY. I would ship everything, except the motor on stand. I don't have a vehicle anymore to transport.
347-255-3623.

Lowflyingbird

I also printed out a copy or two of the Kleeman install instructions, a lot of similarities. Ex: closely sized units, stock injectors,(you Don't use the AMG injectors), 5-7Psi. It also gives you data as far as parameters for confirming A/F ratios. But that is not a problem running 5-7 psi with the Boost pump, whick Kleeman also uses!

rilonprime

Hi there Lowflyingbird, thanks for the insight.

I'm really happy to hear that this setup is possible! I really wish someone had made a DIY thread... maybe I'll just have to do on myself

As far as the mods needed, what do you mean by "cutting the timing bracket cover"?

Also, I'd be installing on a w211 - would the airboxes you have work? I'm sure I could custom fab some intake tubing.

Is the Mass air meter different than the Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF)?

Thanks in advanced for your answers!

brenden axtell

The only thing you have to cut off of the motor is the bracket for the secondary air pump. You pretty much have to level it off in order for the supercharger to have clearance to sit on the motor. Air box configuration is going to be custom as well. You'll have to get creative on that one. As for the MAF, and MAP there is a difference between the naturally aspirated V6 and the C32 AMG V6. The NA motor uses a Mass Air Flow sensor (MAF) as well as a Mass air pressure sensor (MAP). The C32 AMG uses a MAP sensor and then a Intake air temp sensor instead. It is perfectly doable to run the MAF even after supercharging the NA motor. There are many things in this thread that have been mentioned that are false. For one, you don't need to run a Boost-a-pump. The ECU's are able to be tuned and quit easily as well.