Yellow Pudding in my engine ?
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From: Houston
1999 e320 ,2006 AMG S55
Well cleaned as much butter as I possibly could,changed the oil and none of that stuff was on the stick nor the filter. Gona take it for a long drive right now.
Thanks soooo much for all the info ! You guys really helped me out alot. I was ****ting bricks already
Thanks soooo much for all the info ! You guys really helped me out alot. I was ****ting bricks already
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01 E320
You're not the first to be concerned and post. There are lots of posts on this board about it if you do a search.
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if you clean it right before oil change like you did than it's ok, but don't clean the peanut butter off your cap in between oil changes, just leave it there and drive the car hard on the highway for a while like it was suggested and it will go away.
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Doctor I have a headache.....yeah me too...they are normal.
This is not normal at all. I've been driving W210s since 1996 in the upper midwest with regular commutes of less than 5 miles during the depths of winter with temps ranging from 0 - 20degrees for weeks on end.
Yes, I get the usual condensation that burns away with some longer drives that dry everything out. But I've never seen anything close to the amount shown by the OP.
I would get an oil analysis IMMEDIATLY and quit guessing/analysing if there is antifreeze in your oil. If you do have antifreeze in there you have one set of potential problems....most likely a head gasket.
If you don't have antifreeze in there....you have a much simpler set of potential cures. It might be as simple as a new thermostat, cleaning out the vent tube, doing a long drive once a week....and so forth.
After you take a sample of your oil, clean up the cap and do a complete oil change....you need one anyway. Then start a new regime of a weekly drive of at least 15 miles at highway speed.
Save all the random diagnostics until you hear back on the oil analysis.
Yes, I get the usual condensation that burns away with some longer drives that dry everything out. But I've never seen anything close to the amount shown by the OP.
I would get an oil analysis IMMEDIATLY and quit guessing/analysing if there is antifreeze in your oil. If you do have antifreeze in there you have one set of potential problems....most likely a head gasket.
If you don't have antifreeze in there....you have a much simpler set of potential cures. It might be as simple as a new thermostat, cleaning out the vent tube, doing a long drive once a week....and so forth.
After you take a sample of your oil, clean up the cap and do a complete oil change....you need one anyway. Then start a new regime of a weekly drive of at least 15 miles at highway speed.
Save all the random diagnostics until you hear back on the oil analysis.
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From: Alexandria, VA
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This "pudding" happened to my car. It's been a very cold winter and I live minutes away from my office. I started noticing a heavier smoke one day so I brought it to my indy. He determined it was a blown head gasket. The car isn't overheating, but I did get a "coolant low" on the display when I brought it to be looked at. My car has been sitting in the garage ever since, and it's for sale. I placed an ad in the For Sale section on MBWorld and Benzworld. I'm asking $3,500 but accepting offers.
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It's normal. It has to do with condensation and the breather system. If you want to fix it, take your valve cover apart and enlarge the holes for the breather hose. But why?
It is only a little water mixed with the oil.
IF it were to get to the pan, what little amount of water is there would evaporate.
It is only a little water mixed with the oil.
IF it were to get to the pan, what little amount of water is there would evaporate.
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Clean it as suggested above but do not fret about it. In five mutes you are not up to operating temps yet. My wife's Honda van does the same thing here in Ontario and she is a 1.5 mile ride to her office. If you want peace of mind pull the cover it is not difficult to do and clean it out along with the breather hoses. But truly you will be ok driving on a more regular basis. All of the other tell tale factors being considered. A good synthetic may yield less residue.
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I just noticed exact same stuff on my gf 99 320,,, i checked my 00 e55 and there is not a sing of this stuff anywhere, so maybe this is normal on the earlier cars.... her car runs fine and no antifreeze disapearing
forgot to mention, her e320 has Mobile 1 in it my car has Valvoline Platinum if it means anything,,,,
forgot to mention, her e320 has Mobile 1 in it my car has Valvoline Platinum if it means anything,,,,
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I've noticed this goop last time I changed my oil at 100k miles. I'm at 110k now and gonna be changing my oil soon but I took a look under the cap today and there was a decent amount of goop in there. I just drove the car 200 miles yesterday so apparently a long trip doesnt necessarily make it go away. The oil on the dipstick looks fine.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
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I've noticed this goop last time I changed my oil at 100k miles. I'm at 110k now and gonna be changing my oil soon but I took a look under the cap today and there was a decent amount of goop in there. I just drove the car 200 miles yesterday so apparently a long trip doesnt necessarily make it go away. The oil on the dipstick looks fine.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
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don't worry it's just condensation, that is normal on early m112 engines, especially in winter and if you do lots of short trips. some do it a little less, some do it a little more. my friend's m112 does the same thing. i would just drive the car hard or take in on the highway for half hour or so a few times. personally i wouldn't even bother doing compression or leakdown tests. what you might do is take a sample of your oil and send it for testing, cost;s like $20. try blackstone laboratories, they will send you the kit for free, and will give you a report on your oil sample and by that you will know if there is any traces of coolant. http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php
check with the guys at http://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...Board=1&page=1 who are pretty knowledgeable.
also if you think your engine has sludge, do 2-3 short interval oil changes, so if you usually go 7-8k miles between oil changes, now do a 2-3k mile interval oil changes a couple times before going back to 8k mile intervals and that should clean your engine in a gentlier way than those engine flush/cleaners.
check with the guys at http://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...Board=1&page=1 who are pretty knowledgeable.
also if you think your engine has sludge, do 2-3 short interval oil changes, so if you usually go 7-8k miles between oil changes, now do a 2-3k mile interval oil changes a couple times before going back to 8k mile intervals and that should clean your engine in a gentlier way than those engine flush/cleaners.
I've noticed this goop last time I changed my oil at 100k miles. I'm at 110k now and gonna be changing my oil soon but I took a look under the cap today and there was a decent amount of goop in there. I just drove the car 200 miles yesterday so apparently a long trip doesnt necessarily make it go away. The oil on the dipstick looks fine.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
Anyway I cleaned it out and I'll change my oil in the next few weeks.
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kyosuke, i ran into this thread where also is mentioned the "peanut butter" is just condensation http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...1768843&page=1. also once you get your oil report you will be assured this is no big problem. i would get ~4ft of plastic tubing from any hardware store ($1) and a big syringe so you can suck out a little bit of oil to send for analysis, or autoparts stores might sell a syringe with tubing as a kit for a few $.
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Pics taken from another site - these are the holes you need to clean out or even enlarge. A long drive won't help. Analysis won't show any excess water unless you pull the sample before it reaches operating temperature.
The problem is these holes.
Your holes are probably plugged, not allowing crankcase ventilation to work as it should, sucking cold wet air in through your oil fill cap. A new gasket or cap won't help either.
Let me explain further. The two tiny holes in the picture (mislabeled EGR holes) allow air into the engine eventually through the air cleaner assembly. If those holes get plugged up with sludge or contaminants, then the internals of the engine go under vacuum. Air will be sucked in wherever it can make it in. Under the oil cap is where the air is being sucked in at. Being up on top of the engine on cold climates, and sucking cold wet dirty air in (another reason to fix this problem), that area just inside the engine is cold, thus, moisture condenses there, and mixes with oil. You will see that once it gets warm out, this problem miraculously goes away as well, though you are still sucking unfiltered air in until you fix the breather holes.
The problem is these holes.
Your holes are probably plugged, not allowing crankcase ventilation to work as it should, sucking cold wet air in through your oil fill cap. A new gasket or cap won't help either.
Let me explain further. The two tiny holes in the picture (mislabeled EGR holes) allow air into the engine eventually through the air cleaner assembly. If those holes get plugged up with sludge or contaminants, then the internals of the engine go under vacuum. Air will be sucked in wherever it can make it in. Under the oil cap is where the air is being sucked in at. Being up on top of the engine on cold climates, and sucking cold wet dirty air in (another reason to fix this problem), that area just inside the engine is cold, thus, moisture condenses there, and mixes with oil. You will see that once it gets warm out, this problem miraculously goes away as well, though you are still sucking unfiltered air in until you fix the breather holes.
Last edited by waybomb; Mar 9, 2010 at 09:38 PM.
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Pics taken from another site - these are the holes you need to clean out or even enlarge. A long drive won't help. Analysis won't show any excess water unless you pull the sample before it reaches operating temperature.
The problem is these holes.
Your holes are probably plugged, not allowing crankcase ventilation to work as it should, sucking cold wet air in through your oil fill cap. A new gasket or cap won't help either.
Let me explain further. The two tiny holes in the picture (mislabeled EGR holes) allow air into the engine eventually through the air cleaner assembly. If those holes get plugged up with sludge or contaminants, then the internals of the engine go under vacuum. Air will be sucked in wherever it can make it in. Under the oil cap is where the air is being sucked in at. Being up on top of the engine on cold climates, and sucking cold wet dirty air in (another reason to fix this problem), that area just inside the engine is cold, thus, moisture condenses there, and mixes with oil. You will see that once it gets warm out, this problem miraculously goes away as well, though you are still sucking unfiltered air in until you fix the breather holes.
The problem is these holes.
Your holes are probably plugged, not allowing crankcase ventilation to work as it should, sucking cold wet air in through your oil fill cap. A new gasket or cap won't help either.
Let me explain further. The two tiny holes in the picture (mislabeled EGR holes) allow air into the engine eventually through the air cleaner assembly. If those holes get plugged up with sludge or contaminants, then the internals of the engine go under vacuum. Air will be sucked in wherever it can make it in. Under the oil cap is where the air is being sucked in at. Being up on top of the engine on cold climates, and sucking cold wet dirty air in (another reason to fix this problem), that area just inside the engine is cold, thus, moisture condenses there, and mixes with oil. You will see that once it gets warm out, this problem miraculously goes away as well, though you are still sucking unfiltered air in until you fix the breather holes.
i guess i dont have to send off for my oil analyzing,save 20 bucks. the kit is free btw if anyone is intrested
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Kyosuke, what you see is NORMAL!!!! I freaked out the first time I saw it on my wife's 2001 E320 wagon in 2004, and my MB dealer told me no worries.
It will only happen in winter time, so relax and enjoy your ride! When I checked it in the summer, the cap had regular oil on it. It's a condensation issue and we are on our 6th winter here. We bought the car in 2004 with 42K miles and have 111,000K on it know. We have made several trips to FL from Illinois, and the "milky" stuff is there every winter and gone by late spring. Never had the motor apart, and we plan to keep the car till 250K miles or until they sell a bluetec 4Matic wagon.
It will only happen in winter time, so relax and enjoy your ride! When I checked it in the summer, the cap had regular oil on it. It's a condensation issue and we are on our 6th winter here. We bought the car in 2004 with 42K miles and have 111,000K on it know. We have made several trips to FL from Illinois, and the "milky" stuff is there every winter and gone by late spring. Never had the motor apart, and we plan to keep the car till 250K miles or until they sell a bluetec 4Matic wagon.
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What a polite bunch you MB folks are. I can't take any more of this! I just joined this forum to say what no one else has seen fit to, RED66gt.STFU!!! You obviously don't have a clue and should never give technical advice on anything, especially on matters you know nothing about! NOTHING BUT A FREAKIN. "KNOW IT ALL". THAT SAID, I'M OUTA HERE!
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.....says the troll with one post. Bwahahaha, you actually registered on here just to post that? What Douchebaggery. If I was a know-it-all I wouldnt be on here posting questions and trying to learn about my car. From the looks of your post though it looks like I did everyone on here a favor by scaring you off. Good riddance.
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From: Houston
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thanks for all the advice guys ! i listened to everyone single one of yaw and in my steps to find the problem,time solved it for me. It heated back up here in houston tx and i checked the cap the other day and there wasnt a single trace of anything there @ !
once again you all are awesome
lol @ troll
once again you all are awesome
lol @ troll
