suspension question
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suspension question
alrighty, H&R springs and Bilstein system setup, is it lower then eibach? from members pics, when i seen there setup is seems lower.? i don't want to go too low and up to yesterday i was going with the cupkit, but i see some people with turning problems... let me know what you guys think, i'm getting my springs in this week. just need to know what to go with? it won't be for looks but i want something for performance wise since i'm getting engine upgrades done soon........
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Yo bro,
I now have Eibach+Bilstein Sprint Shocks.
As you know, the rear was dropped quite a bit too much with the Eibach srpings (a few members with Eibach springs experienced that too). I've had #1 pads in the front and moved up to #4 pads in the rears (from #3) just last weekend. Now it looks much better than before but this set up will not give you the slammed look (I try to take some pics of the new setup later this week).
As for performance, it is quite a good balance between comfort and performance - Eibach springs are meant remain comfortable at low speeds and becomes stiffer at hi-speeds.
Judging from pics, Jimmy's H&R+Bilstein set up seems lower than mine.....
This probably won't help much since I know Jimmy swears by his set up, but I've tried to be as objective as I can.....good luck!
I now have Eibach+Bilstein Sprint Shocks.
As you know, the rear was dropped quite a bit too much with the Eibach srpings (a few members with Eibach springs experienced that too). I've had #1 pads in the front and moved up to #4 pads in the rears (from #3) just last weekend. Now it looks much better than before but this set up will not give you the slammed look (I try to take some pics of the new setup later this week).
As for performance, it is quite a good balance between comfort and performance - Eibach springs are meant remain comfortable at low speeds and becomes stiffer at hi-speeds.
Judging from pics, Jimmy's H&R+Bilstein set up seems lower than mine.....
This probably won't help much since I know Jimmy swears by his set up, but I've tried to be as objective as I can.....good luck!
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4 wheeled car.
I have H&R cupkit. My car is as low as people w/ HR/Bilstein setup w/ cut coils.
I like it because it's low, and comfortable. But compareted to a W202 and W124 w/ HR/Bilstein setup, it's not as stiff.
Roll the fenders and there will be no problems.
I like it because it's low, and comfortable. But compareted to a W202 and W124 w/ HR/Bilstein setup, it's not as stiff.
Roll the fenders and there will be no problems.
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well for one, i don't want it to be a pain is the $*** to roll up in shops, i get in now with no problems. so as long as i roll the fenders i'll be okay? oh yea and if i go lower then 2in" would there be a problem with alligment? i don't want to eat up tires left and right.......
dave shoot me over some pics
dave shoot me over some pics
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Yeah, I think TT did cut a coil.
Doc, since it has a significant impact here, just for the record, can you tell us what wheel width and offsets you're running right now.
Doc, since it has a significant impact here, just for the record, can you tell us what wheel width and offsets you're running right now.
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Never really explored the possibility but don't think its a good idea since the Eibachs are designed with narrower coil spacings at the ends, which is how it achieves the effect of differing stiffness at different speeds - if you cut, it'll almost certainly change the characteristic of the spring...........
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I love my set up but Dave, your shocks/springs must be lower than mine because you have #4 pads and your ride is still low. If I use #4 pads with my H&R Bilstein set up my car will look like a 4X4, lol. Anway, I have the H&R Sport springs and Bilstein SP Sport shocks on #2 pads and IMO, it sits perfect. Low enough to look phat and still able to enter driveways and the racks at the shops.
To be honest though, if you're looking for a very smooth ride you might want to go Mike's route with the cupkit. I've ridden in Mike's car and it's very smooth compared to mine. Don't get me wrong I don't bounce all over the place but I do feel the road a bit more than the cupkit and I like that.
Good luck with your decision Alex and make sure as Hank said, that if you decide to cut your springs to have it done the right way.
To be honest though, if you're looking for a very smooth ride you might want to go Mike's route with the cupkit. I've ridden in Mike's car and it's very smooth compared to mine. Don't get me wrong I don't bounce all over the place but I do feel the road a bit more than the cupkit and I like that.
Good luck with your decision Alex and make sure as Hank said, that if you decide to cut your springs to have it done the right way.
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It could be the bricks I have in the boot
But yeah, the rear is really low ever since I got the Eibachs on (tires slightly tucked under the fender arch with #3's) .....why don't we take a pic of the side and measure clearance for Alex? However, sounds like the Cupkit is a good option - smooth but low..... errr but fender rolling needed?
But yeah, the rear is really low ever since I got the Eibachs on (tires slightly tucked under the fender arch with #3's) .....why don't we take a pic of the side and measure clearance for Alex? However, sounds like the Cupkit is a good option - smooth but low..... errr but fender rolling needed?
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I had to slightly roll the front of my fenders because I would lightly rub when turning into driveways for some odd reason. All is fine now and anyway, Alex's fenders are already pulled out to match the Carlsson from bumper so he shouldn't have any rubbing/clearance problems...
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Heeeeay Jimmy! Sitting pretty...kinda even all round and very little gap 
From memory, with the new #4 in the back, mine looks sort of close to yours, except maybe the front is sitting a bit higher, with the #1 pads and even when I'd removed the dead body from the trunk (I really do have a load in there). It must be those darn Eibach springs - I heard the later Eibach springs tended to be higher in the front for some strange reason (I think even the skinny Dutchman also had this problem on his W202). Lets see when I take a pic........
BTW, what are Bilstein SP Sports? Is that the Sprint shocks I have? I've been told there's a Sport and the Sprint version, the latter having a longer travel allowing for a lower drop with a weaker spring...or something like that - that's why I got them. Both look exactly the same (only the part # is different).
From memory, with the new #4 in the back, mine looks sort of close to yours, except maybe the front is sitting a bit higher, with the #1 pads and even when I'd removed the dead body from the trunk (I really do have a load in there). It must be those darn Eibach springs - I heard the later Eibach springs tended to be higher in the front for some strange reason (I think even the skinny Dutchman also had this problem on his W202). Lets see when I take a pic........
BTW, what are Bilstein SP Sports? Is that the Sprint shocks I have? I've been told there's a Sport and the Sprint version, the latter having a longer travel allowing for a lower drop with a weaker spring...or something like that - that's why I got them. Both look exactly the same (only the part # is different).
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well my fenders aren't pulled anymore, longgggg-story but i will find out today what to get, most likly the cupkit since once i throw in the supercharger this car won't be a daily driver...........
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Originally posted by alexbenz
well my fenders aren't pulled anymore, longgggg-story but i will find out today what to get, most likly the cupkit since once i throw in the supercharger this car won't be a daily driver...........
well my fenders aren't pulled anymore, longgggg-story but i will find out today what to get, most likly the cupkit since once i throw in the supercharger this car won't be a daily driver...........
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Supercharger!!!!!!?????? Ala Kleemann? Looks like you'll need some 10's in the back then, just like Jimmy.........way to go! Make sure you dyno before and after.
I guess you won't need the pics from me then? But also remember, in case you're not aware, get the springs that are for your engine weight.... they are different.
I guess you won't need the pics from me then? But also remember, in case you're not aware, get the springs that are for your engine weight.... they are different.
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Originally posted by Whitey
Heeeeay Jimmy! Sitting pretty...kinda even all round and very little gap
BTW, what are Bilstein SP Sports? Is that the Sprint shocks I have? I've been told there's a Sport and the Sprint version, the latter having a longer travel allowing for a lower drop with a weaker spring...or something like that - that's why I got them. Both look exactly the same (only the part # is different).
Heeeeay Jimmy! Sitting pretty...kinda even all round and very little gap
BTW, what are Bilstein SP Sports? Is that the Sprint shocks I have? I've been told there's a Sport and the Sprint version, the latter having a longer travel allowing for a lower drop with a weaker spring...or something like that - that's why I got them. Both look exactly the same (only the part # is different).
Yeah, my front sits just a hair lower than the rear and it's perfect for me. When I experimented with #1's before I was tucking tires so I didn't care for that look much.
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suspension!?!?
What in the hell is everybody talking about? Cupkit? #2, #4? Help a brotha' out.
I want to lower my car without compromising.
Jimmy - thanks for the lead on the mirrors (Steve in NL).
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I want to lower my car without compromising.
Jimmy - thanks for the lead on the mirrors (Steve in NL).
-Chris
www.ck-r.com
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Re: suspension!?!?
Originally posted by ckracing
What in the hell is everybody talking about? Cupkit? #2, #4? Help a brotha' out.
I want to lower my car without compromising.
Jimmy - thanks for the lead on the mirrors (Steve in NL).
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What in the hell is everybody talking about? Cupkit? #2, #4? Help a brotha' out.
I want to lower my car without compromising.
Jimmy - thanks for the lead on the mirrors (Steve in NL).
-Chris
www.ck-r.com
So, you want to lower your car without comprimising what, the floaty ride, lol? You are going to definately feel the difference once you alter your suspension and IMO, it's for the better!
No prob. on the mirrors, Steve is the man...
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H&R Cupkit => suspension system from H&R
#'s1,2,3,4 springpads => different thinkness of rubber pads/washers that sit on the end of the springs that allows you to lower or raise without changing the springs - lower number = thinner pad. Difference between each # is about 3-5mm. Mine came stock with #3 all round. Hope this helps.....
Yeah, Steve MBenzNL is da man!
#'s1,2,3,4 springpads => different thinkness of rubber pads/washers that sit on the end of the springs that allows you to lower or raise without changing the springs - lower number = thinner pad. Difference between each # is about 3-5mm. Mine came stock with #3 all round. Hope this helps.....
Yeah, Steve MBenzNL is da man!
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Originally posted by Whitey
H&R Cupkit => suspension system from H&R
#'s1,2,3,4 springpads => different thinkness of rubber pads/washers that sit on the end of the springs that allows you to lower or raise without changing the springs - lower number = thinner pad. Difference between each # is about 3-5mm. Mine came stock with #3 all round. Hope this helps.....
Yeah, Steve MBenzNL is da man!
H&R Cupkit => suspension system from H&R
#'s1,2,3,4 springpads => different thinkness of rubber pads/washers that sit on the end of the springs that allows you to lower or raise without changing the springs - lower number = thinner pad. Difference between each # is about 3-5mm. Mine came stock with #3 all round. Hope this helps.....
Yeah, Steve MBenzNL is da man!
