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Originally Posted by JamE55
Rich you pimp! :p Very nice mang! Need to see that at the Feb 5 GTG! Maybe you can even take me for a spin/test? :p
So what's next in line? Oh btw where's the NOS bottles? :p
So what's next in line? Oh btw where's the NOS bottles? :p
NOS???? After the SL65 motor swap, roll cage and Mickey Thompsons
BTW: How's your project that we discussed? any decisions yet?
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Originally Posted by freshyip
LOL it was you on rennsport, i can't believe it haha i just made a fool out of myself hehe..j/k
BTW what did rennsport help you out with if you don't mind me asking
Sincerely,
BTW what did rennsport help you out with if you don't mind me asking
Sincerely,
I met Samir a few years back before Rennsport, unfortunately he sold his "Technik CLK55" and is now more involved with bimmers, however when I approached him with the Gruppe M experiement, he was cool to provide tech support.
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Originally Posted by LorinserLV2
Your car looks *****
Really Fantastic.
Just one question.... THE OEM intake box gets the air right from the grill, meaning that no hot air is sucked into the engine, not talking about the heating of the intake box, since the mouth of the intake is right on the grill.
Seeing that GruppeM intake,i see that it isnt really pointed to a place that breathes only fresh air , but maybe in middle of hug HP numbers like yours that doesnt make all that difference
Ill probably be installing one BMC CDA one of these days , and will decide with getting the air from behind the fog light , or try to find a way to make it just like the snorkel that goes from the grill to the intake chamber,
Really Fantastic.
Just one question.... THE OEM intake box gets the air right from the grill, meaning that no hot air is sucked into the engine, not talking about the heating of the intake box, since the mouth of the intake is right on the grill.
Seeing that GruppeM intake,i see that it isnt really pointed to a place that breathes only fresh air , but maybe in middle of hug HP numbers like yours that doesnt make all that difference
Ill probably be installing one BMC CDA one of these days , and will decide with getting the air from behind the fog light , or try to find a way to make it just like the snorkel that goes from the grill to the intake chamber,
With the BMC CDA, I recommend just to monitor your MAFS (voltage readings), my unit malfunction without throwing any codes.
One of the first intake experiment I did was the long 3" mandrel bend tube CAI w/cone filter (ala AEM), I lost a tremendous amount of power; 20rwhp. It seems logical drawing cold air from the lower bumper grill, but the length it travels to meet the MAF is questionable.
I have found the OEM airbox produces the best #s on the dyno.
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Thanks for data
I guess ill just try to develop another snorkel to attach the intake box.
Trying to make it reach the same place, but a bigger one...
I guess ill just try to develop another snorkel to attach the intake box.
Trying to make it reach the same place, but a bigger one...
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Originally Posted by Richard023
I have found the OEM airbox produces the best #s on the dyno.
Yes, a "snorkel" and making the air travel further will be in efficient...the more direct the better..... Rich, have you also tested wrapping the hoses with heat reflective material? I'm scepticle but that should help the air stay cooler just a little bit longer.
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James...It's 50/50 on the GTG as I mentioned to you over the phone I've got a prior engagement to attend to first How long do you guys plan on staying at the Rose Bowl?
NOS???? After the SL65 motor swap, roll cage and Mickey Thompsons
BTW: How's your project that we discussed? any decisions yet?
NOS???? After the SL65 motor swap, roll cage and Mickey Thompsons
BTW: How's your project that we discussed? any decisions yet?
SL65 motor swap? wtf! You are :p lol Still doing a little bit more homework on the project. You'll know when it's done...
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Unforunately I will not be bringing the Carlsson E, but rather a stock white E320 :P
About what time would we might expect you to show up? I would love to see your car in person!
Unforunately I will not be bringing the Carlsson E, but rather a stock white E320 :P
About what time would we might expect you to show up? I would love to see your car in person!
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Originally Posted by LorinserLV2
Thanks for data
I guess ill just try to develop another snorkel to attach the intake box.
Trying to make it reach the same place, but a bigger one...
I guess ill just try to develop another snorkel to attach the intake box.
Trying to make it reach the same place, but a bigger one...
If you do decide near the foglight placement, be aware a ram air setup can scoop water during rain storms and possibly hydrolock. I used the AEM bypass valve to divert this.
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Originally Posted by Whitey
Please clarify Rich......I'm sure you're not implying that these things are doing what they're supposed to do.......... But I do believe cone filters are meant to take power away, at least initially.
Yes, a "snorkel" and making the air travel further will be in efficient...the more direct the better..... Rich, have you also tested wrapping the hoses with heat reflective material? I'm scepticle but that should help the air stay cooler just a little bit longer.
Yes, a "snorkel" and making the air travel further will be in efficient...the more direct the better..... Rich, have you also tested wrapping the hoses with heat reflective material? I'm scepticle but that should help the air stay cooler just a little bit longer.
I've used the Thermo Tec wrapping and Design Engineering's radiant heat tape; bad results...the wrapping doesn't cosmetically blend in an MB engine bay and the heat tape in due time begins to peel leaving adhesive residue on the plastic box.
By design, conical filters with it's large surface areas for it's filtering medium should not take power away, and by using an air diverter to redirect air into the intake tube makes the design more efficient....placement is key.
Here's a thought...
Find a way to disable the sensor within the MAF and by using an alternative sensor (Intake air temp. sensor) placed directly in the path of fresh air, this information received by the ECU is now based on fact and not an erroneous reading from underhood temperature; engine, radiator or A/C condenser. That said, fuel & timing can now be adjust accordingly...question is where is the most efficient location of the relocated probe.
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Originally Posted by Richard023
Here's a thought...
Find a way to disable the sensor within the MAF and by using an alternative sensor (Intake air temp. sensor) placed directly in the path of fresh air, this information received by the ECU is now based on fact and not an erroneous reading from underhood temperature; engine, radiator or A/C condenser. That said, fuel & timing can now be adjust accordingly...question is where is the most efficient location of the relocated probe.
Find a way to disable the sensor within the MAF and by using an alternative sensor (Intake air temp. sensor) placed directly in the path of fresh air, this information received by the ECU is now based on fact and not an erroneous reading from underhood temperature; engine, radiator or A/C condenser. That said, fuel & timing can now be adjust accordingly...question is where is the most efficient location of the relocated probe.
I think you're right, the trick to the cones is the placement but I sure wouldn't do it on my E unless there is proper way to avoid (significantly) picking up the engine bay's heat and properly routing the air to it....I just don't like the way many people have done their cones - I've yet to see one done in a way that looks "efficient" and I am very keen to see a set up that has been done with good results.
"Doesn't cosmetically blend" ????!!!!!...I always knew there was some vanity in you Richie-boy
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Already had some ideas..
Regarding the snorkel i´ll probably be using those tubes that are used in the Subwoofers box, i have few friends that own Honda Integra Type R´s and that´s what they use to connect the intake box to the bumper.
Now, will have to find another "mouth" to attacj to the grill. Cant install one much bigger because of the space. I dont think it will be better to direct a snorkel to the place behind the fog light , because in the OEM way it sucks the air directly from the grill, which is somewhat forced into the intake. Still have to see what i can arrange to take the most profit from that grill space.
Keep ya posted
Regarding the snorkel i´ll probably be using those tubes that are used in the Subwoofers box, i have few friends that own Honda Integra Type R´s and that´s what they use to connect the intake box to the bumper.
Now, will have to find another "mouth" to attacj to the grill. Cant install one much bigger because of the space. I dont think it will be better to direct a snorkel to the place behind the fog light , because in the OEM way it sucks the air directly from the grill, which is somewhat forced into the intake. Still have to see what i can arrange to take the most profit from that grill space.
Keep ya posted
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Originally Posted by eLemnt | 0ne
Richard
Unforunately I will not be bringing the Carlsson E, but rather a stock white E320 :P
About what time would we might expect you to show up? I would love to see your car in person!
Unforunately I will not be bringing the Carlsson E, but rather a stock white E320 :P
About what time would we might expect you to show up? I would love to see your car in person!
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Yo Rich, I'll be there w/ my slow E55. I hope to see u there!
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Shoot! I missed the meet... I called one of the guys up (DancingBenzos) and he told me that you guys were at the Fuddruckers, but it was already like 4 and he said that everyone was leaving so... >_< that sucked...
How was the meet? Any pics?>
How was the meet? Any pics?>
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Originally Posted by eLemnt | 0ne
How was the meet? Any pics?>
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Hi, Richard,
I am thinking about upgrade intake.
First, I was thinking about AMG intake, but, I don't know which one will fit my V6 engine.
Then, I found your thread, and know that you used both BMC and Gruppe M.
Could you please give me some advice about the intake?
Thank you very much!
Ben
I am thinking about upgrade intake.
First, I was thinking about AMG intake, but, I don't know which one will fit my V6 engine.
Then, I found your thread, and know that you used both BMC and Gruppe M.
Could you please give me some advice about the intake?
Thank you very much!
Ben
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Wuzup fellas?!!! Man have I missed a lot in here. The Benzo is looking sick Richie! I'm purchasing another house closer to you now man near Chatsworth & Zelzah and we'll have to meet up, I want to check out the beast. If my offer gets accepted I'll fix the pad up and maybe have an MB GTG pool party this summer (will advise).
In the meantime, what's going on with the Carlsson machine Usman??? Are you living back in the SCV now?
James, Alex and Dave, hope all is well and I see a lot of new peeps in here. I am buys as heck but will do my best to pop in from time to time.
Take care everyone and talk to you soon, maybe at the next GTG!
- JDG
In the meantime, what's going on with the Carlsson machine Usman??? Are you living back in the SCV now?
James, Alex and Dave, hope all is well and I see a lot of new peeps in here. I am buys as heck but will do my best to pop in from time to time.
Take care everyone and talk to you soon, maybe at the next GTG!
- JDG
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Originally Posted by benchang88
Hi, Richard,
I am thinking about upgrade intake.
First, I was thinking about AMG intake, but, I don't know which one will fit my V6 engine.
Then, I found your thread, and know that you used both BMC and Gruppe M.
Could you please give me some advice about the intake?
Thank you very much!
Ben
I am thinking about upgrade intake.
First, I was thinking about AMG intake, but, I don't know which one will fit my V6 engine.
Then, I found your thread, and know that you used both BMC and Gruppe M.
Could you please give me some advice about the intake?
Thank you very much!
Ben
In reference to the BMC CDA (Carbon Dynamic Airbox), the unit served 5-7rwhp gain on a Superflow dyno on my NA E430, granted these were peak #s near the top end of the rev range. However, both Mark Cummins & myself experience MAFS malfunction twice. Perhaps the preformance gains could have been greater, who's to say if my MAFS was healthy at the time of dyno. A buddy of mine has been using the unit on his M5 for months and has no failed issues with his MAFS...go figure I purchased the BMC CDA for approx. $270 at a Porsche race shop, the fit & finish of the carbon is decent with the exception of the included flex-tube (ala laundry hose), I would suggest using a high-temp silicon hose. Your application would use the CDA85-150 as mine did.
The Gruppe M is expensive "eye candy" a conversation piece when you pop the hood, I don't have any quantified dyno #s with this unit as of yet on my supercharged E430 but in comparison to the stock airbox, the GM's ram effect design improves throttle response more prominent when you stomp the loud pedal at frwy speeds. I've done some butt-dyno testing between the the OEM & GM since it's a 10 min swap...money tells me the GM serves me better & I'm luving the sinister intake sound Again, this is on a FI positive displacement setup were pressure volume can be critical, I don't believe the gains would be as substantial on a NA engine. As for the Gruppe M & MAFS compatibility...I'm keeping my fingers cross, so far so good. Currently, the unit is on my ML for some data testing, but feel free to sent me a PM if you want to see it up close & personal.
Good luck on your hunt!
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[QUOTE=jimmydagreek]Wuzup fellas?!!! Man have I missed a lot in here. The Benzo is looking sick Richie! I'm purchasing another house closer to you now man near Chatsworth & Zelzah and we'll have to meet up, I want to check out the beast. If my offer gets accepted I'll fix the pad up and maybe have an MB GTG pool party this summer (will advise).
Yo Jimbo, nice of you to chime-in Yeah, I know that area real well and CONGRATS hope all goes smooth on your purchase ...in fact you might see me lurking around the retailers on all four corners of that intersection cuz Porter Ranch Town Center is increasingly becoming kaos I did look into a property investment off Rinaldi & Zelzah (north of the Christian School) a few months ago but ended up purchasing in Rancho Verdugo @Shadow Hills.
Yo Jimbo, nice of you to chime-in Yeah, I know that area real well and CONGRATS hope all goes smooth on your purchase ...in fact you might see me lurking around the retailers on all four corners of that intersection cuz Porter Ranch Town Center is increasingly becoming kaos I did look into a property investment off Rinaldi & Zelzah (north of the Christian School) a few months ago but ended up purchasing in Rancho Verdugo @Shadow Hills.