Ohh no, even more stuff to go wrong.
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Ohh no, even more stuff to go wrong.
I'm not knocking MB for introducing new technology, I just hope that they have thoroughly tested it before launching it.
See link to Whatcar article on new steering feature on A & B Class.
See link to Whatcar article on new steering feature on A & B Class.
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Not real sure I want my car to "tug at the wheel". How about teaching people how to drive, instead of designing cars to do it for you. I put that up there with lane departure warning systems, just leave me alone and let me drive, I actually know how.
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Originally Posted by hilmar2k
Not real sure I want my car to "tug at the wheel". How about teaching people how to drive, instead of designing cars to do it for you. I put that up there with lane departure warning systems, just leave me alone and let me drive, I actually know how.
I'm not really sure if that feature will get to the US. I can just see the legal profession wringing their hands now. "...It was not my client's fault mi Lord it was the car what tugged too hard..."
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Actually the active steering on the new 5 series can turn the wheels when a slide is detected. This is actually the first line of defense with independent wheel braking now second. And yes, it's here in the US. Now the whole wheel tugging thing is a little weird.
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I don't get it. Are there problems with it or not? Do you guys want the most technologically advanced cars IN THE WORLD or not?
Who had the first seven speed? It wasn't the 5 series, was it?
Geez, those of you that want basic cars should buy them from Europe and not get ANY features.
Its well understood that more toys can present a potential for problems, but it does not mean that you stop going outside for fear that you may melt in the sun!
Who had the first seven speed? It wasn't the 5 series, was it?
Geez, those of you that want basic cars should buy them from Europe and not get ANY features.
Its well understood that more toys can present a potential for problems, but it does not mean that you stop going outside for fear that you may melt in the sun!
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Originally Posted by jangy
I don't get it. Are there problems with it or not? Do you guys want the most technologically advanced cars IN THE WORLD or not?
Who had the first seven speed? It wasn't the 5 series, was it?
Geez, those of you that want basic cars should buy them from Europe and not get ANY features.
Its well understood that more toys can present a potential for problems, but it does not mean that you stop going outside for fear that you may melt in the sun!
Who had the first seven speed? It wasn't the 5 series, was it?
Geez, those of you that want basic cars should buy them from Europe and not get ANY features.
Its well understood that more toys can present a potential for problems, but it does not mean that you stop going outside for fear that you may melt in the sun!
No,No,No, OK, Good idea
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There's a difference between having the most technologically advanced cars in the world, and advancing technology just to have the most advanced technology. If it's not a good idea, I don't care how advanced it is. If you make cars so that people won't have to think when they drive, they won't. I think the last thing we need is more people on the road who have no clue how to drive. If you actually teach someone to drive, they would know how to countersteer their car, without the car tugging at the wheel. Next the car will tug your pant leg when it's time to stop.
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I disagree. Like it or not, cars that do the driving for you will be safer than just allowing great racers like yourself on the road. The simple fact is that the ENTIRE population pays taxes and has a right to be on the road, not just those of us that have cat like reflexes!
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Wait a minute. This technology isn't about driving for you, or letting you get closer to the edge, or making the car itself any safer. It's about telling the driver what and when to do something that they should know on their own. What I foresee happening is people waiting for their car to tell them what to do, which just can't be a good idea, no matter how advanced the technology is.
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You have a very twisted view from on top of that soap box. Why do we need instrument cluster lighting when you should obviously know how fast, what engine speed, etc. that you are in? Race car drivers don't need them, why should we?
Not safety related. OK buddy, no it's just for show.
Not safety related. OK buddy, no it's just for show.
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Jangy -
If you want to rely on technology to tell you how to drive, fine. But personally, I would rather make those types of decisions. What happens when you get completely dependent on those systems, and one or more fail? This understeer deterring, wheel tugging, thing fails, some idiot who has no idea how to really drive goes off the road. Or worse yet, skids across the road and hits someone else. I just don't see the point. As I said earlier, I am not against technology, I am against technology just for technology sake. Believe me, I am a tech geek, I've got all the latest, I just want it to make sense, and I don't see this particular technology making much sense. End of story. EddieGTP has it right.
If you want to rely on technology to tell you how to drive, fine. But personally, I would rather make those types of decisions. What happens when you get completely dependent on those systems, and one or more fail? This understeer deterring, wheel tugging, thing fails, some idiot who has no idea how to really drive goes off the road. Or worse yet, skids across the road and hits someone else. I just don't see the point. As I said earlier, I am not against technology, I am against technology just for technology sake. Believe me, I am a tech geek, I've got all the latest, I just want it to make sense, and I don't see this particular technology making much sense. End of story. EddieGTP has it right.
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I don't want to drag this out either. My point is if the customers do not want it (i.e. pay for it), then MBZ won't waste their money developing it.
Since you like philosophy, let's get to the root of all of this.
I am saying that technology takes money to develop. The development does not always go as planned and many projects die at great cost (i.e. no return on the investment). If this money was not invested and certain aspects not explored, then you will NEVER advance.
It is the same in the pharmaceutical world as it is in high tech. That's all.
I respect you and your debate with me. Let's leave it there and continue to enjoy varying points of view on the board. Appologies accepted?
Since you like philosophy, let's get to the root of all of this.
I am saying that technology takes money to develop. The development does not always go as planned and many projects die at great cost (i.e. no return on the investment). If this money was not invested and certain aspects not explored, then you will NEVER advance.
It is the same in the pharmaceutical world as it is in high tech. That's all.
I respect you and your debate with me. Let's leave it there and continue to enjoy varying points of view on the board. Appologies accepted?
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Hey, I respect any opinion that someone can argue intelligently, which you clearly did. I'm always good for a debate, and I certainly respect your right to disagree. Let's hope that make feature and option, that way we can both be happy. 
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I would vote with my dollars and absolutely refuse to buy a car with that kind of steering program.
Instead of spending money on that kind of crap - people should take high performance driver training.
IMO the main reason I'm less than 100% satisfied with this car is the overengineered crap on it like SBS and the transmission that doesn't do what you tell it to do - it does what it thinks should be done. Totally irritating.
I don't even like the ESP on this car except for in the snow where it really works beautifully.
Instead of spending money on that kind of crap - people should take high performance driver training.
IMO the main reason I'm less than 100% satisfied with this car is the overengineered crap on it like SBS and the transmission that doesn't do what you tell it to do - it does what it thinks should be done. Totally irritating.
I don't even like the ESP on this car except for in the snow where it really works beautifully.
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I for one love all of the over engineered stuff on this car.. It is little things and undocumented features which shows an incredible amount of attention to detail that I appreciate.
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Originally Posted by jangy
Me too. I Love the 7 speed and the Barking system. I love the fiber optic system that allows it all.
That's funny... the only useless techno stuff in the Benz I reallly love are the "rest" feature and the heated seats.
Considering that my car has been in the shop three times for Audio Gateway and fiber optic issues I consider it to be one of the worst things about the car. :v
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Man, you guys don't let a thing slip, do ya!!
haha. I've also had the Command / Nav unit issues. I hold MB and my dealer responsible for that, not the technology behind it. That type of stuff is already very well worked out (i.e. Acura), MB has no excuse from that end!
haha. I've also had the Command / Nav unit issues. I hold MB and my dealer responsible for that, not the technology behind it. That type of stuff is already very well worked out (i.e. Acura), MB has no excuse from that end!
