Opinion on 650ci or 911!
Opinion on 650ci or 911!
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650i. Unless you go for a Carrera S its not worth the money. The base level 911 is basically like the new Cayman, infact id probably take the Caymen over the base 911 and its much cheaper. If you dont mind spending 10gs more then get the 911 Carrera S.
its a tough decision. both cars look amazing.
its a tough decision. both cars look amazing.
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997...you shouldn't even have to ask. BMW may be the ultimate driving machine, but it's no substitute for a Porsche. Plus, the new 6 series (IMO) is fugly and an insult to the original 6, which was drop-dead gorgeous.
A 997 Carrera S would be ideal, but a regular Carerra is nothing to scoff at. Get the Porsche!
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A 997 Carrera S would be ideal, but a regular Carerra is nothing to scoff at. Get the Porsche!
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Actually I love the carrera s but I also have been seeing the cayman s which is also nice. I am interested in the new Z06 but there is no chance dealers here are getting any. I might consider the cayman because I would have to pay 40% tax over sticker msrp to any luxury car so the carrera s so going to be pretty expensive compared to the cayman S or Z06.
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The 6 is a dissapointment. Coming from my diehard bimmer fan uncle who sold it for an E55.. I drove it, not worth the money. If you can get a deal on the 997 go for it, and get an S - resale will be much better too
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Originally Posted by lig
997S - no question.
I don't care much for the BMW. It weighs nearly 4300 pounds!!!
I don't care much for the BMW. It weighs nearly 4300 pounds!!!
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Originally Posted by CE750
which would make it safer... a major issue if you get into a wreck. The E55 AMG weighs 4400lbs. but is still a rocket ship.
You're joking, right?
Because the car is heavier it is automatically safer? That is so wrong it's not even funny.
An H2 weighs more than all the cars we have discussed - would you rather be in your E or a Hummer in the event of an accident? I thought so.
You are also making the mistaken assumption that there is only one kind of safety. Safety is not just protection from driving into a brick wall. The concept of active safety also applies here as well.
The 997, weighing far less than the 6 Series is going to be able to more easily avoid accidents due to the increased manuverability. That is *active* safety.
Truthfully we need to know more about the needs of the original poster here. If he plans on taking the car to the track or to auto-x it there's no question which car is a better choice
I will assume the thread starter is o.k. with the looks of the 6 series since I think the car is rather unattractive. It might be cool in a MTV kind of way i.e. slammed with a body kit ridin' on dubs but that really isn't my style.
IMO the 997S is the best looking P-car since the 993.
The E55 is a rocket - at least in a straight line. It really isn't all that fun to toss around.
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Originally Posted by lig
You're joking, right?
Because the car is heavier it is automatically safer? That is so wrong it's not even funny.
An H2 weighs more than all the cars we have discussed - would you rather be in your E or a Hummer in the event of an accident? I thought so.
You are also making the mistaken assumption that there is only one kind of safety. Safety is not just protection from driving into a brick wall. The concept of active safety also applies here as well.
The 997, weighing far less than the 6 Series is going to be able to more easily avoid accidents due to the increased manuverability. That is *active* safety.
Truthfully we need to know more about the needs of the original poster here. If he plans on taking the car to the track or to auto-x it there's no question which car is a better choice
I will assume the thread starter is o.k. with the looks of the 6 series since I think the car is rather unattractive. It might be cool in a MTV kind of way i.e. slammed with a body kit ridin' on dubs but that really isn't my style.
IMO the 997S is the best looking P-car since the 993.
The E55 is a rocket - at least in a straight line. It really isn't all that fun to toss around.
Because the car is heavier it is automatically safer? That is so wrong it's not even funny.
An H2 weighs more than all the cars we have discussed - would you rather be in your E or a Hummer in the event of an accident? I thought so.
You are also making the mistaken assumption that there is only one kind of safety. Safety is not just protection from driving into a brick wall. The concept of active safety also applies here as well.
The 997, weighing far less than the 6 Series is going to be able to more easily avoid accidents due to the increased manuverability. That is *active* safety.
Truthfully we need to know more about the needs of the original poster here. If he plans on taking the car to the track or to auto-x it there's no question which car is a better choice
I will assume the thread starter is o.k. with the looks of the 6 series since I think the car is rather unattractive. It might be cool in a MTV kind of way i.e. slammed with a body kit ridin' on dubs but that really isn't my style.
IMO the 997S is the best looking P-car since the 993.
The E55 is a rocket - at least in a straight line. It really isn't all that fun to toss around.
I'm not joking, I don't joke about safety... I center my entire auto buying decision on safety. A heavier car is safer IN AN IMPACT WITH ANOTHER CAR.. FACT. I did a lot of research on this, and while I'm not naive enough to say weight is absolute, it's a major factor in surviving an accident with another car.
Passive safety is a whole different discussion... statistics however show that the majority of accidents that re fatal are not avoidable with passive safety, and apart from vehicle roll overs, they are usually multi vehicle accidents. Thus weight.
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Originally Posted by ToyCollector
You may want to read today's Wall Street Journal, both NHTSA and many vehicle company experts disagree with the premise that more weight equals more safety.
I've spoken to IIHS engineers about this at length, all else being equal a heavier car will be more survivable than a lighter car.
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Seen any of those videos of a Smart car in an oblique frontal with a W211? The links have been in this forum in recent months. It's pretty amazing to see. The collision looks survivable as to both cars, but the W211 actually takes more damage than the Smart. As the WSJ article points out, Detroit has been arguing against higher mileage standards for years by saying that weight=safety, but it's increasingly obvious that the argument is bogus. I'm not saying that in a collision between a Smart and a Hummer, the Smart driver would be alive and the Hummer driver would be dead. I'm saying that both might be alive.
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Originally Posted by DWP
Seen any of those videos of a Smart car in an oblique frontal with a W211? The links have been in this forum in recent months. It's pretty amazing to see. The collision looks survivable as to both cars, but the W211 actually takes more damage than the Smart. As the WSJ article points out, Detroit has been arguing against higher mileage standards for years by saying that weight=safety, but it's increasingly obvious that the argument is bogus. I'm not saying that in a collision between a Smart and a Hummer, the Smart driver would be alive and the Hummer driver would be dead. I'm saying that both might be alive.
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People... try to understand that SUV's aren't safer than Cars, and I'm not trying to say this.... 
BUT if weight is the ONLY factor.. a car is then safer.
Here is the real data: Weigtht Data
Also read THIS
BUT if weight is the ONLY factor.. a car is then safer.Here is the real data: Weigtht Data
Also read THIS
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Originally Posted by CE750
People... try to understand that SUV's aren't safer than Cars, and I'm not trying to say this.... BUT if weight is the ONLY factor.. a car is then safer.
Here is the real data: Weigtht Data
Also read THIS
BUT if weight is the ONLY factor.. a car is then safer.Here is the real data: Weigtht Data
Also read THIS
I think what CE750 really means is that he dislikes Porsches! Am I right Sam? Didn't you call my 911 a VW... ouch?!
Everyone makes interesting points. But I would rather be in my E55 than my Navigator in a crash. 
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I think Porsche cars are very pricey.. yes.. I wouldn't go as far as say I don't like them. But my $$ would go into other cars first. BMW 6 being one.
That said.. if your E had a head on with a Lincoln Nav.. I can't say who would live and who wouldn't, - many variables play into this.. such as speed.. the E is VERY safe.. but the lincoln has 2000lbs on it... and the scientific data supports the Lincoln. even if I wouldn't want to own one. Weight is King in a two or more car accident. sorry.
That said.. if your E had a head on with a Lincoln Nav.. I can't say who would live and who wouldn't, - many variables play into this.. such as speed.. the E is VERY safe.. but the lincoln has 2000lbs on it... and the scientific data supports the Lincoln.
even if I wouldn't want to own one. Weight is King in a two or more car accident. sorry.
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Well Sam...
It is true that if you only take weight into consideration then a heavier vehicle is on paper more likely to be safer. That data IIRC is simply a compilation of accident stats.
You never addressed the active safety issue which IMO is important.
We just have different priorities when it comes to choosing a car. I value the fun factor far more than the crashworthiness of a car.
It is true that if you only take weight into consideration then a heavier vehicle is on paper more likely to be safer. That data IIRC is simply a compilation of accident stats.
You never addressed the active safety issue which IMO is important.
We just have different priorities when it comes to choosing a car. I value the fun factor far more than the crashworthiness of a car.
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Originally Posted by esport
I am planning to change my car for a BMW 650ci or 911 but I would like some opinion first.
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Originally Posted by AMG&AMG
Porsche ofcourse! no matter what .... SL or 911 , will be ok.. but bmw? c'mon.... 6 series is pure garbage , especially the looks ... fugly fugly fugly
it may not be a porsche but its far from ugly.
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it may not be a porsche but its far from ugly.
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Originally Posted by lig
Well Sam...
It is true that if you only take weight into consideration then a heavier vehicle is on paper more likely to be safer. That data IIRC is simply a compilation of accident stats.
You never addressed the active safety issue which IMO is important.
We just have different priorities when it comes to choosing a car. I value the fun factor far more than the crashworthiness of a car.
It is true that if you only take weight into consideration then a heavier vehicle is on paper more likely to be safer. That data IIRC is simply a compilation of accident stats.
You never addressed the active safety issue which IMO is important.
We just have different priorities when it comes to choosing a car. I value the fun factor far more than the crashworthiness of a car.
Again I think a small car can be safe, and active safety can be anything, including speed... as my V70 Turbo once got me out of a near hit with a truck when the turbo kicked in and shot me out from his path! so I can see the "big picture" .. I was just making the point that size helps in the case of an actual collision (an additional factor). And I like cars with some size to them.. no matter how fun or not they are to drive.
Ironic that I am typing this as 1/2 mile down the street 2 hours ago a Camry had a head on with a Lexus SUV and the camry had a fatality. Very sad, and very ironic.
So my vote is for the BMW.
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What do YOU want? The 997 is a logical evolution of one of the world's great sports cars. I've driven one. The level of handling, power and refinement is superb, especially at its price. The styling is classically beautiful.
The BMW, OTOH, is a ponderous, overweight luxo cruiser with almost no sporting pretensions. When the M6 appears with the V10, it'll still be fast only in a straight line compared to the Porsche. While the styling, IMHO, is perhaps the least offensive of the Bangle-era cars, I certainly can't find it to be attractive.
As far as the image projected, the Porsche says "serious, knowledgable owner", while the 6-series BMW says "poseur".
Good luck.
The BMW, OTOH, is a ponderous, overweight luxo cruiser with almost no sporting pretensions. When the M6 appears with the V10, it'll still be fast only in a straight line compared to the Porsche. While the styling, IMHO, is perhaps the least offensive of the Bangle-era cars, I certainly can't find it to be attractive.
As far as the image projected, the Porsche says "serious, knowledgable owner", while the 6-series BMW says "poseur".
Good luck.
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It's APPLES and ORANGEs.. . even the price is in another level... isnt' the 997 properly loaded just in the mid 100's.. while the BMW is in the mid 70's?
I agree the Porsche would drive circles around the BMW.. but it's not a comfortable daily driver either... you have to decide what you want from your next car.
I agree the Porsche would drive circles around the BMW.. but it's not a comfortable daily driver either... you have to decide what you want from your next car.
