Was just told that the E320 has a crappy engine.
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Originally Posted by dannieboiz
Wonder why a lot of the members on the Benz forums are so rude. Especially in the E forums. Was expecting more mature responses.
You're driving a nice classy car, at least pretend like you have some class instead of going to insult other people. Maybe you know a little more about Benz than a lot of people out there, but there are definitely things that others know a lot more than you do. Feels like I'm posting in ricerockets dot com.
You're driving a nice classy car, at least pretend like you have some class instead of going to insult other people. Maybe you know a little more about Benz than a lot of people out there, but there are definitely things that others know a lot more than you do. Feels like I'm posting in ricerockets dot com.
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Originally Posted by dannieboiz
Do you actually think about what you read? Now, if I was suggesting that mercedes uses GM engines and I'm rude for that. Ok fine, I'm rude, if you take it that personal as if you are the president of Mercedes Benz.
Do you speak a foreign language?
Try this link, copy and paste that quote and select your language.
here is some hard facts for you if you're up to reading. It's hard not to see why some mistaken (or not) think that Mercedes uses domestic parts vice versa.
Do you speak a foreign language?
Try this link, copy and paste that quote and select your language.
here is some hard facts for you if you're up to reading. It's hard not to see why some mistaken (or not) think that Mercedes uses domestic parts vice versa.
Besides, I thought you were a mechanic at a body shop, Dannieboiz, how come you don't know that the E320 engine is totally different than a GM engine?
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w203/147036-car-won-t-start-after-accident.html
But yea, next time, try to avoid using buzz words like "crappy", that really scared us avid 320 engine owners. Seriously, it's almost difficult to believe that someone would say that, even if that person did, I wouldn't believe it. It's kind of an extreme one to fall for.
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Originally Posted by dannieboiz
Wonder why a lot of the members on the Benz forums are so rude. Especially in the E forums. Was expecting more mature responses.
You're driving a nice classy car, at least pretend like you have some class instead of going to insult other people. Maybe you know a little more about Benz than a lot of people out there, but there are definitely things that others know a lot more than you do. Feels like I'm posting in ricerockets dot com.
You're driving a nice classy car, at least pretend like you have some class instead of going to insult other people. Maybe you know a little more about Benz than a lot of people out there, but there are definitely things that others know a lot more than you do. Feels like I'm posting in ricerockets dot com.
If you’re not happy with your M-B, I don't think a bunch of forum members are going to 'convince you to keep this car'. You're either happy with your Mercedes or your not. If you are, I'm not sure why 'someone just told me that the E320 has a GM engine, which is the same engine on the ML which all means crappy' means anything to you... clearly it doesn't mean much to members here that have vehicles with 100k miles or more...
Additionally, you wrote 'You're driving a nice classy car, at least pretend like you have some class instead of going to insult other people.' Perhaps you're guilty of just that, so you shouldn't take it personal when someone takes a shot back at you...
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Originally Posted by dannieboiz
Do you actually think about what you read? Now, if I was suggesting that mercedes uses GM engines and I'm rude for that. Ok fine, I'm rude, if you take it that personal as if you are the president of Mercedes Benz.
Do you speak a foreign language?
Try this link, copy and paste that quote and select your language.
here is some hard facts for you if you're up to reading. It's hard not to see why some mistaken (or not) think that Mercedes uses domestic parts vice versa.
Do you speak a foreign language?
Try this link, copy and paste that quote and select your language.
here is some hard facts for you if you're up to reading. It's hard not to see why some mistaken (or not) think that Mercedes uses domestic parts vice versa.
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Errr...don't even own an E, and I knew that. Ditto to what Richard / E320 said. A little more information may have helped. Might have flamed the guy that told you rather than flame you yourself.
Oh and the comment about sharing the engine with ML, meaning the engine is crappy...Pretty ballsy of you to say that. The 320 engine on our ML has been rock solid. Tell that to the people with 100k+ miles on their ML without every needing to replace an engine.
Oh and the comment about sharing the engine with ML, meaning the engine is crappy...Pretty ballsy of you to say that. The 320 engine on our ML has been rock solid. Tell that to the people with 100k+ miles on their ML without every needing to replace an engine.
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GM - better known as Goofy Marketing - builds the Saturn Vue. The 3.5L V6 engine they use in that thing is a Honda V6. The latest reviewer stated that it was the best 3.5L V6 engine available. Hmmmm.... GM buys Honda engines because they can't build one as good???
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A Mercedes with a GM engine? In-con-ceiv-able! Next thing you know, somebody will be claiming that a Lotus has a Toyota engine, or that a Rolls Royce has a BMW engine.
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GM is more or less fused the Saturn line into the Saab line.... may Saab RIP.. 
As for the original post.. I did (to be fair) have an MB Engineer (retired out here in Sun City) tell me recently that in 1997 when MB decided to go to "modular" engines with their gas cars.. namely with the V6 they replaced their I-6's with.. they asked Ford (not GM) to assist them in that design as they were not as experienced in this department.. up to that point, most MB engines were unique to their platform, and the way engines were made was much more costly.. The new "throw away" engines and transmission designs weren't made so much for long life, as they were made for inexpensive parts replacements.. He told me (and it stuck with me to when I decided to purchase the CDI) that the last of the true MB design & Quality engines is the 4-5-6 cylinder iron block diesel OM6xx engine.. and that when the Aluminum block V6 comes out, it will be a fraction of the former engine in terms of build quality.. MB is only now after numerous lawsuits reversing their claim on their transmissions that they are 100,000 mile service intervals.. they are actually now recommending new fluid ever 30K or so.. MB isn't alone in this, Lexus and Toyota are both reversing this life time trans policy as they've been in too many law suits over it.
This is a trend that ALL car makers are following sadly... From Bentley, down to VW.. nobody is spared from this cost cutting engineering... They literally just don't make 'em like they used to... the sooner we all accept it, the sooner we'll all get over it..
As for the original post.. I did (to be fair) have an MB Engineer (retired out here in Sun City) tell me recently that in 1997 when MB decided to go to "modular" engines with their gas cars.. namely with the V6 they replaced their I-6's with.. they asked Ford (not GM) to assist them in that design as they were not as experienced in this department.. up to that point, most MB engines were unique to their platform, and the way engines were made was much more costly.. The new "throw away" engines and transmission designs weren't made so much for long life, as they were made for inexpensive parts replacements.. He told me (and it stuck with me to when I decided to purchase the CDI) that the last of the true MB design & Quality engines is the 4-5-6 cylinder iron block diesel OM6xx engine.. and that when the Aluminum block V6 comes out, it will be a fraction of the former engine in terms of build quality.. MB is only now after numerous lawsuits reversing their claim on their transmissions that they are 100,000 mile service intervals.. they are actually now recommending new fluid ever 30K or so.. MB isn't alone in this, Lexus and Toyota are both reversing this life time trans policy as they've been in too many law suits over it.
This is a trend that ALL car makers are following sadly... From Bentley, down to VW.. nobody is spared from this cost cutting engineering... They literally just don't make 'em like they used to... the sooner we all accept it, the sooner we'll all get over it..
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If anyone doubts that Americans are among the most naive when it comes to automotive technology, you only have to consider that NASCAR fans actually believe that those race cars are Fords, Chevy's, etc.
BTW, here's a drawing of an M112 engine. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/new_V6.html
BTW, here's a drawing of an M112 engine. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/new_V6.html
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Originally Posted by DWP
A Mercedes with a GM engine? In-con-ceiv-able! Next thing you know, somebody will be claiming that a Lotus has a Toyota engine, or that a Rolls Royce has a BMW engine.
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Whoever told you that Mercedes has a GM Engine is sorely mistaken. I laughed when I read this post, thinking why would MB have a GM engine if MB came around first before GM existence. I wouldn't imagine MB wouldn't last if it did had a GM engine. 
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Originally Posted by DWP
A Mercedes with a GM engine? In-con-ceiv-able! Next thing you know, somebody will be claiming that a Lotus has a Toyota engine, or that a Rolls Royce has a BMW engine.
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
Well actually the Lotus Elise does have a Toyota engine...lol! Its the same engine from the just departed Celica.
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I've dealt with this type of person many times before. They just want to latch on something to belittle the car you own. I wonder if GM is still using those 3.8L pushrods (and those horrible small keys and that atrocious turn signal stalk). So you can counter and say NO, this actually is an engine that was built in THIS century, not some 50+ year throwback.
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It's funny how people take a rumor and run with it without actually doing any research.
here's a fact that may stun some of you;
Mercedes purchased Detroit Diesel few years ago and then engine that Mercedes put their badge on is a very proven series 60 inline six power house. When Mercedes put out their own version of this replica of series 60 inline six , their engine fell short to the original design( loosing head gaskets due to not enough of clamping force on the cylinder head) .Too many unhappy customers and a bad reputation, go figure
here's a fact that may stun some of you;
Mercedes purchased Detroit Diesel few years ago and then engine that Mercedes put their badge on is a very proven series 60 inline six power house. When Mercedes put out their own version of this replica of series 60 inline six , their engine fell short to the original design( loosing head gaskets due to not enough of clamping force on the cylinder head) .Too many unhappy customers and a bad reputation, go figure
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Originally Posted by BudC
If anyone doubts that Americans are among the most naive when it comes to automotive technology, you only have to consider that NASCAR fans actually believe that those race cars are Fords, Chevy's, etc.
BTW, here's a drawing of an M112 engine. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/new_V6.html
BTW, here's a drawing of an M112 engine. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/new_V6.html
